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Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:21 PM Mar 2022

Opinion: The Senate accidentally agreed to move our clocks forward. Blame Putin. - Millbank

Even in the best of times, the place never runs like clockwork. This week, things got so bad that the chamber acted to move the hands of time — by accident. The Senate approved legislation making daylight saving time year-round. There were no hearings, no discussion, no debate, and no vote. It just happened, because nobody objected — in large part because many senators didn’t even know it was happening.

It took just 14 seconds to approve an order moving Americans’ clocks an hour ahead, permanently. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) rose, requested that S. 623 be “discharged” from the Senate Commerce Committee, which hadn’t approved it, then said: “I ask unanimous consent that the Rubio substitute amendment at the desk be considered and agreed to, the bill as amended be considered read a third time and passed, and that the motions to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table.”

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), the presiding officer, was complicit in the scheme. She quickly declared “without objection, so ordered” and then, in her latest breach of decorum, stage-whispered “yes!” into the microphone and pumped two celebratory fists. Rubio and Sinema had pulled a fast one. A proposal with only 18 co-sponsors cleared the body in a New York minute. Neither the Democratic whip nor the Republican whip in the Senate knew it was happening. And the Senate has no way to claw back the bill, so it goes to the House — which hopefully will be a bit more deliberative before messing with Father Time.

Reporting by The Post’s Paul Kane and BuzzFeed’s Paul McLeod indicates Sen. Roger Wicker (Miss.), top Republican on the Commerce Committee, had planned to object to the “unanimous consent” request to pass what he calls “bad legislation,” but decided not to at the last minute because he’s focused on more pressing matters, such as the war in Ukraine. In other words, it’s Vladimir Putin’s fault that our clocks may change. Staff for other senators had been informed by Rubio’s office about the time-change hustle, but word didn’t reach many of the members — perhaps because people wrongly thought Wicker would handle the objection. It was a timely reminder: You snooze, you lose.

Public-health advocates were caught napping. Though proponents of the change say it will be good for commerce and 20 states have already endorsed the move, there’s evidence that the time change, resulting in dark mornings, would be bad for children’s learning. It’s certainly bad for the legislative process. Things are so awful these days that lawmakers celebrate when they achieve even routine stuff, such as keeping the government running. If senators start to think they can sneak significant bills to passage without a vote, the small store of trust that remains in the chamber would quickly dissipate. Would Democrats add a few Supreme Court justices? Would Republicans declare Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 election? Would Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) unilaterally declare war on Russia?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/18/senate-daylight-saving-time-vote-accident

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I have already emailed my House representative urging him to not approve it in the House.

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Opinion: The Senate accidentally agreed to move our clocks forward. Blame Putin. - Millbank (Original Post) question everything Mar 2022 OP
It will never happen - its too stupid to be on DST in the winter Blues Heron Mar 2022 #1
All that obfuscating language is meant to trick people. In this case, to move it the wrong way. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #4
yes hopefully cooler heads will prevail! Blues Heron Mar 2022 #5
No thanks Rebl2 Mar 2022 #11
been there, done that - we lived it back in the 70s. Blues Heron Mar 2022 #12
Yep Rebl2 Mar 2022 #13
Same here - and in the North, it's the coldest time of day. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16
We changed times 7 days ago Chipper Chat Mar 2022 #2
There's a pill for that SCantiGOP Mar 2022 #3
Or you could eat some oysters. Sneederbunk Mar 2022 #6
I tried to contact Marty McFly Chipper Chat Mar 2022 #8
Meh. OnDoutside Mar 2022 #7
I REALLY hate to say this, but if the only real objection to it is that Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #9
Sinema... ChazInAz Mar 2022 #10
And, as others mentioned here, it is better to get more work in the cooler question everything Mar 2022 #14
Fond memories of performing ChazInAz Mar 2022 #15
Not in the winter in the North. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #17
No, in the summer, which is better to have standard tine year around question everything Mar 2022 #18

Blues Heron

(5,932 posts)
1. It will never happen - its too stupid to be on DST in the winter
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:37 PM
Mar 2022

Changing the clocks sucks for one day a year. DST sucks all winter. Not worth the payoff of avoiding the clock change for 1 day.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. All that obfuscating language is meant to trick people. In this case, to move it the wrong way.
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:21 AM
Mar 2022

Hopefully the House tells Sinema go take a flying leap year.

Rebl2

(13,506 posts)
11. No thanks
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:26 AM
Mar 2022

to DST year around. Sun won’t come up until nine in the morning where I live during winter-no thank you. I have already read several times we tried it in 1974 and people hated it. Someone in my local newspaper editorial page suggested just changing the clock each fall and spring by just a half hour. Surely they were joking. I have also read doctors say standard time is more in tune with our bodies. Never heard it explained, so don’t know if it’s true.

Blues Heron

(5,932 posts)
12. been there, done that - we lived it back in the 70s.
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:41 AM
Mar 2022

it was a million times worse than a single day of 1 hour time loss.

Rebl2

(13,506 posts)
13. Yep
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:48 AM
Mar 2022

I was a jr. in high school. Waited for the bus in the dark. I think these days, kids in high school go earlier than we did and they wait for the bus in the dark too. Didn’t like hearing one our meteorologist on tv say it will stay dark until 9am. Nope. Don’t like that.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. Same here - and in the North, it's the coldest time of day.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

It was horrible. And yes, for some reason, they made it worse on the high school kids (which I was) - we started school even earlier.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
9. I REALLY hate to say this, but if the only real objection to it is that
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 08:01 AM
Mar 2022

"dark mornings would be bad for children's learning" then it's a dumb thing to begin with. There's nothing out there to support that school works better when the sun is shining. DST began as a way to save energy. If that is no longer a factor, why are we doing it?

But, yuck, that puts me agreeing with Rubio.

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
10. Sinema...
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mar 2022

She should know better, if she really was an Arizonan.
There's a reason Arizona doesn't do DST: when temperatures can get up to 120° in the Summer, you don't want the days to last any longer!

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
15. Fond memories of performing
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 01:54 PM
Mar 2022

Shakespeare in Tucson's Reid Park outdoor Demeester auditorium in June each year. Sweating in Elisabethan leathers and velvets, with the concrete stage still an oven at 8:00 PM!

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