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FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:23 AM Mar 2022

Bill Maher Didn't Change. He's Always Been a Cringe Centrist. (Dailybeast)

by Ben Burgis, Dailybeast

Bill Maher’s recent conflation of anti-capitalism with “wokeness” certainly fits Brooks’ description of what the IDW {Intellectual Dark Web (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro et al)} is all about. So does an analogy I remember him using years ago on Real Time. The economy needs to be regulated, Maher said, the same way a river might need a wall to prevent flooding. But trying to change the basic structure of our economic system would be like trying to make the river run backwards.

The IDW brand was always about being anti-Left (while disingenuously clinging to the label of “liberal”) and basically hostile to social change, without ever quite being identified with the Trumpist side of the culture war.

Even Ben Shapiro, by far the most old-school ideological conservative in the group, was initially something of a Never Trumper—and there was never the slightest doubt that Sam Harris would vote for Joe Biden. The ideological point was broader than red vs. blue partisan politics. And in that sense Bill Maher fits in perfectly—and he always has.

I have no particular interest in canceling Maher as an individual. I think he’s a pretty dim bulb, but if he pivots to the left again as he briefly did during the 2016 election, I’ll welcome him with open arms. What I am interested in is understanding what Maher’s trajectory tells us about American political culture. And I take heart from the fact that people who want edgy humor mixed into their political commentary in 2022 can go to places like the wildly popular socialist podcast Chapo Trap House…while Maher increasingly looks like a relic. [...]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-didnt-change-hes-always-been-a-cringe-centrist?ref=home


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Bill Maher Didn't Change. He's Always Been a Cringe Centrist. (Dailybeast) (Original Post) FreepFryer Mar 2022 OP
No. Bill Maher is not a Centrist. He's always been progressive Libertarian Budi Mar 2022 #1
Disagree. He has no libertarian cred, no mere greedy right-winger. As the author describes it, FreepFryer Mar 2022 #4
He's said so himself. A libertarian . There is nothing Centrist about Maher Budi Mar 2022 #9
He's described himself that way and he is highly disingenuous. The author convinced me. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #10
He's described himself A Lot of ways over the course of his career as a celebrity. Budi Mar 2022 #14
Who fking cares what political slot he defines himself as today. Budi Mar 2022 #16
Maher is an asshole, plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2022 #24
Btw, did you get that quote from Republicans.Quora.com ? FreepFryer Mar 2022 #7
Actually that assessment is spot on as far back as Maher's been... Budi Mar 2022 #13
ROFL. "Republican Quora' Budi Mar 2022 #18
I was specifically referring to the only site containing that text, the subdomain is real ... FreepFryer Mar 2022 #22
There really is no difference between a libertarian and a republican, only by name Escurumbele Mar 2022 #15
Agreed, except I don't necessarily think he wants laws that make lives better for those he dislikes. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #33
I think... Mike Nelson Mar 2022 #2
I think that's correct and he doesn't seem to have an inner compass or belief, so it's all snark FreepFryer Mar 2022 #5
Agree... Mike Nelson Mar 2022 #6
Not for long, he's done & he knows it. He's gonna wiggle till he reaches the edge of the platform. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #8
Truth: old comedians resort to snark because they can't do funny arlyellowdog Mar 2022 #12
He's been performing this act for his entire adult life Budi Mar 2022 #11
Agreed, and by now, he's just about played out. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #23
Who cares, really? He's still got a gig & doing his political thing. Budi Mar 2022 #25
Bill Maher is a Hugh Hefner type arlyellowdog Mar 2022 #3
I think he's a nihilist EYESORE 9001 Mar 2022 #17
Thanks. Yes. Budi Mar 2022 #19
Who gives a flying fuck about Maher? He NoMoreRepugs Mar 2022 #20
Agreed. Looking forward to his exit from his tired and destructive platform. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #27
I second that motion. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2022 #39
This is more about a plug for a socialist site than Maher. Budi Mar 2022 #21
I have no idea what you mean by literally all of that. Daily Beast opinion on Maher. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #26
Its actually in the site at your link. Budi Mar 2022 #28
Sorry, you lost me. You're apparently arguing something entirely removed from this post. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #29
Its in the site at your link. You brought it. Budi Mar 2022 #30
He's not a libertarian. That's the premise of the opinion. I agree w it. You don't. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #32
Omfg. Bil Maher has said it himself. He's a Libertarian. Budi Mar 2022 #34
Stupid article. Maher is smart and funny. Tomconroy Mar 2022 #31
what a bunch of nonsense. Maher is a classic liberal, always has been. AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #35
Yeah, that Maher defense sounded pretty good... Paladin Mar 2022 #38
So there is at least one person insisting no, Maher is a Liberal - another that he's Libertarian... FreepFryer Mar 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Mar 2022 #37
Maher has disappointed me. Martin68 Mar 2022 #40
I stopped eating at this place a very long time ago LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #41
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
1. No. Bill Maher is not a Centrist. He's always been progressive Libertarian
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:50 AM
Mar 2022

"Bill Maher is a progressive libertarian, which is why you will see him make fun of both liberal (e.g., political correctness) and conservative"

There is nothing Centrist about Mr Maher. He's a progressive Libertarian who's made a lot of money at his particular craft, which is why Mr. Maher defies easy categorization.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
4. Disagree. He has no libertarian cred, no mere greedy right-winger. As the author describes it,
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:54 AM
Mar 2022

“That Maher could be a liberal icon in the 2000s and early 2010s is less explained by his own views than it is by the completely-altered state of America’s political battle lines.”

And Maher is, in the author’s analysis, innately but deceptively anti-progressive.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
9. He's said so himself. A libertarian . There is nothing Centrist about Maher
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:09 AM
Mar 2022

Progressive Libertarian for his 'hands off ny weed' beliefs.

The guy is a comedian, a performer who plays political sides like a stradavarius, for fame & fortune.
Its the only job he's ever needed to have.
He's been performing this political controversary act for a good 40 years & he long ago found a niche' that rewarded him a couple hundred million~

This read is more about the opinion of the writer than anything else. Like Maher's opinions, its how they make their living.

I'll leave it there.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
10. He's described himself that way and he is highly disingenuous. The author convinced me.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:10 AM
Mar 2022

But of course, we each are free to form our own opinion and I do respect yours!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
14. He's described himself A Lot of ways over the course of his career as a celebrity.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:26 AM
Mar 2022

Depends on how much attention he wants to stir up. Ratings, controversy, clicks, likes, advertisers, money & media.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. Who fking cares what political slot he defines himself as today.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:04 AM
Mar 2022

I guarantee, somewhere in his political comedien celebrity past he's snaked from one to another drawing the ire or applause of the crowd and stood there enjoying his celebrity power of playing his audience.

Years ago he did an interview & declared himself a Libertarian.
Not long ago he was hanging with the cool Progressive kids.

The one I've never known him to define himself to be is Centrist.
That is actually humorous.
Perhaps Centrist will be Maher's newest celebrity act!
Everybody's talking bout it already, its a headline grabber.
Not to worry, when this gets stale, he'll be something else & he'll still draw the crowd, love him or hate him.
But he'll always be a Celebrity name with a gimmick & a couple hundred million in the bank.

Maher & this writer may get together for a nice dinner now that both profiles are in the headline. 🥂

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
7. Btw, did you get that quote from Republicans.Quora.com ?
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:07 AM
Mar 2022

Search domain
republicans.quora.com
https://republicans.quora.com
Has-Democrat-Bill-Maher-become-an-actual-voice-of-reason-when-it-comes-to-the-current-polarization-in-America-I-am-almo?share=1

“Bill Maher is a progressive libertarian, which is why you will see him make fun of both liberal (e.g., political correctness) and conservative (e.g., military spending) issues while supporting anything having to do with individual freedom and choice (e.g., marijuana legalization, less government, including government policies supporting banks ...“


Not a big deal, but if so, I’m not surprised I disagreed w their assessment of Maher.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
13. Actually that assessment is spot on as far back as Maher's been...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:19 AM
Mar 2022

...performing his political comediene act.
ITS AN ACT.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
18. ROFL. "Republican Quora'
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:16 AM
Mar 2022

Quora is anthing you want it to be at anytime.
Maher has called himself a Libertarian.

jfc

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
22. I was specifically referring to the only site containing that text, the subdomain is real ...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:17 AM
Mar 2022

... and that’s where that exact text came from.

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
15. There really is no difference between a libertarian and a republican, only by name
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:42 AM
Mar 2022

Libertarian always vote republican. I do think Maher is a centrist, on one side he wants to protect his immense fortune, I can understand that because he has worked hard at it, and on the other side he wants laws that will better people's lives, and I believe that one thing that is certain is that he despises trump and corruption. I do think he is a centrist, nothing wrong with that.

And let me define something here, a centrist in today's world doesn't mean he agrees with the current republican ideology, there is nothing good coming from the right nowadays. A true centrist will combine left, progressive and conservative ideals.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
33. Agreed, except I don't necessarily think he wants laws that make lives better for those he dislikes.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

He seems extremely self-involved and arbitrary.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
2. I think...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:52 AM
Mar 2022

... he needs ink. He thrives on the attention he gets from saying outrageous things. It's part of his act.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
5. I think that's correct and he doesn't seem to have an inner compass or belief, so it's all snark
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:55 AM
Mar 2022

Poorly conceived, lazily delivered.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
6. Agree...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:05 AM
Mar 2022

... the "snark" is part of his act. It's the wiggle in his walk. It's the Ram in his Rama Lama Ding Dong. It's money in the bank.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. He's been performing this act for his entire adult life
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:14 AM
Mar 2022

The only time he's ever declared his own political affiliation was years ago when he stated he is a Libertarian.

But perhaps at that time it was cool to be a Libertarian!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
25. Who cares, really? He's still got a gig & doing his political thing.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:33 AM
Mar 2022

He can do it till he decides he's done enough.

He's always been controversarial on politics, with a smart ass comedian style.

I don't get why he's suddenly a bigger deal than he's always been.

'Don't watch him, Watch Me'. He's bad, we're good'...
That's what's this is really about. Eh?

arlyellowdog

(866 posts)
3. Bill Maher is a Hugh Hefner type
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:52 AM
Mar 2022

Guys who claim to be liberal to cover up their misogyny. As for “cancel” culture. It’s show biz. People get tired of watching, but celebrities can’t deal with it. That’s their problem. Old comedians are the worst: Jerry Lewis, Bob Hope got so annoying, Jerry Seinfeld is hard to watch. Just retire Bill Maher. You had your day.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
19. Thanks. Yes.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:23 AM
Mar 2022

His act demands he be both for or against, which ever way the political winds blow at the monent.
Next thing, he'll host a celebrity progressive & suddenly he'll be all cool wirh the progressives.
Whatever keeps his audience watching & talking & his name in the headlines.
$$$$$

That's his schtick & it's successfully worked for 40+ years.


NoMoreRepugs

(9,415 posts)
20. Who gives a flying fuck about Maher? He
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:35 AM
Mar 2022

has always been fighting to somehow be relevant in a conversation that doesn’t know he exists.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. This is more about a plug for a socialist site than Maher.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:09 AM
Mar 2022

But nothing like stepping on another's celebrity shoulders to elevate yourself!

That's just the dirty business of money & media with politics as the theme of the day.

➡️"Celebrity Socialist Show calls progressive Libertarian Maher a Centrist"
⬆️
Oh ya, & Quora's run by a bunch of Republicans!!


FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
26. I have no idea what you mean by literally all of that. Daily Beast opinion on Maher.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:50 AM
Mar 2022

Not sure what is sticking in your craw but you are the one who pulled that quote about Maher, w o providing a link.

So, I went ahead and found the original of the uncited text that you posted here on a Republican.quora.com subdomain.

If you had posted the link to the text along with it you would have seen it for yourself.

Just a reminder, source your quotes, folks!

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
29. Sorry, you lost me. You're apparently arguing something entirely removed from this post.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:07 AM
Mar 2022

Agree to disagree.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
30. Its in the site at your link. You brought it.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:09 AM
Mar 2022

I'm no fan of Mr Maher, but calling him a centrist is such a stretch it deserves all this.

He's a self proclaimed libertarian.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
32. He's not a libertarian. That's the premise of the opinion. I agree w it. You don't.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:29 AM
Mar 2022

Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)

You didnt cite Maher, you just grabbed text from an online site, Probably not noticing it was on a Republicans.quora.com subdomain.

I know it’s a little embarrassing but it’s no big deal.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
34. Omfg. Bil Maher has said it himself. He's a Libertarian.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mar 2022

The site says mmm naah he's Centrist!
Followed by a plug for a socialist site.

Maher is an entertainer & his entire lifespan has been one of comedian, to politically playing one side against another.
Thats his act.

As far as "Republucan Quora", I've read more left leaning posts on it than Republucan.
Its like Twitter, or any other Social Media discussion site that profits from opinion.

Its not a site I dwell on but they do produce linked sources & opinions & No they are not Republican.

I've read far more on Quora that leans liberal, progressive than RW.

So what the fk ever.
Maher is Maher. Like him or not, watch him or ignore him.

My question is why this writer chose to make a case against him while plugging another.
And id'ing Maher as a Centrist! That would be a Bill Maher joke.

This is like reading the ever biased politico & NYTimes opiniin pages.
Ffs.

Later!



AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
35. what a bunch of nonsense. Maher is a classic liberal, always has been.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:51 AM
Mar 2022

Liberalism always assumes a degree of libertarianism. He is progressive on most issues and centrist on others. The issue here is that Maher has no changed but America did - we are now divided into echo chambers and refuse to cross paths. The article is a perfect example, if you are no with us 100%, you are against us. Maher may be the only tv personality left who is able to elicit thought. Everything else is echo chambers devoid of any possibility of debate.

Paladin

(28,253 posts)
38. Yeah, that Maher defense sounded pretty good...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:48 PM
Mar 2022

...before about 20 of the last liberal-bashing diatribes in which Maher indulged himself. "A degree of libertarianism"? Yeah, sure...

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
36. So there is at least one person insisting no, Maher is a Liberal - another that he's Libertarian...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:18 PM
Mar 2022

...proving the author’s point, that sure sounds like a “cringe centrist” to me.

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