Bill Maher Didn't Change. He's Always Been a Cringe Centrist. (Dailybeast)
Bill Mahers recent conflation of anti-capitalism with wokeness certainly fits Brooks description of what the IDW {Intellectual Dark Web (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro et al)} is all about. So does an analogy I remember him using years ago on Real Time. The economy needs to be regulated, Maher said, the same way a river might need a wall to prevent flooding. But trying to change the basic structure of our economic system would be like trying to make the river run backwards.
The IDW brand was always about being anti-Left (while disingenuously clinging to the label of liberal) and basically hostile to social change, without ever quite being identified with the Trumpist side of the culture war.
Even Ben Shapiro, by far the most old-school ideological conservative in the group, was initially something of a Never Trumperand there was never the slightest doubt that Sam Harris would vote for Joe Biden. The ideological point was broader than red vs. blue partisan politics. And in that sense Bill Maher fits in perfectlyand he always has.
I have no particular interest in canceling Maher as an individual. I think hes a pretty dim bulb, but if he pivots to the left again as he briefly did during the 2016 election, Ill welcome him with open arms. What I am interested in is understanding what Mahers trajectory tells us about American political culture. And I take heart from the fact that people who want edgy humor mixed into their political commentary in 2022 can go to places like the wildly popular socialist podcast Chapo Trap House while Maher increasingly looks like a relic. [...]
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-didnt-change-hes-always-been-a-cringe-centrist?ref=home
Budi
(15,325 posts)"Bill Maher is a progressive libertarian, which is why you will see him make fun of both liberal (e.g., political correctness) and conservative"
There is nothing Centrist about Mr Maher. He's a progressive Libertarian who's made a lot of money at his particular craft, which is why Mr. Maher defies easy categorization.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)That Maher could be a liberal icon in the 2000s and early 2010s is less explained by his own views than it is by the completely-altered state of Americas political battle lines.
And Maher is, in the authors analysis, innately but deceptively anti-progressive.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Progressive Libertarian for his 'hands off ny weed' beliefs.
The guy is a comedian, a performer who plays political sides like a stradavarius, for fame & fortune.
Its the only job he's ever needed to have.
He's been performing this political controversary act for a good 40 years & he long ago found a niche' that rewarded him a couple hundred million~
This read is more about the opinion of the writer than anything else. Like Maher's opinions, its how they make their living.
I'll leave it there.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)But of course, we each are free to form our own opinion and I do respect yours!
Budi
(15,325 posts)Depends on how much attention he wants to stir up. Ratings, controversy, clicks, likes, advertisers, money & media.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I guarantee, somewhere in his political comedien celebrity past he's snaked from one to another drawing the ire or applause of the crowd and stood there enjoying his celebrity power of playing his audience.
Years ago he did an interview & declared himself a Libertarian.
Not long ago he was hanging with the cool Progressive kids.
The one I've never known him to define himself to be is Centrist.
That is actually humorous.
Perhaps Centrist will be Maher's newest celebrity act!
Everybody's talking bout it already, its a headline grabber.
Not to worry, when this gets stale, he'll be something else & he'll still draw the crowd, love him or hate him.
But he'll always be a Celebrity name with a gimmick & a couple hundred million in the bank.
Maher & this writer may get together for a nice dinner now that both profiles are in the headline. 🥂
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Search domain
republicans.quora.com
https://republicans.quora.com
Has-Democrat-Bill-Maher-become-an-actual-voice-of-reason-when-it-comes-to-the-current-polarization-in-America-I-am-almo?share=1
Bill Maher is a progressive libertarian, which is why you will see him make fun of both liberal (e.g., political correctness) and conservative (e.g., military spending) issues while supporting anything having to do with individual freedom and choice (e.g., marijuana legalization, less government, including government policies supporting banks ...
Not a big deal, but if so, Im not surprised I disagreed w their assessment of Maher.
Budi
(15,325 posts)...performing his political comediene act.
ITS AN ACT.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Quora is anthing you want it to be at anytime.
Maher has called himself a Libertarian.
jfc
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)... and thats where that exact text came from.
Escurumbele
(3,389 posts)Libertarian always vote republican. I do think Maher is a centrist, on one side he wants to protect his immense fortune, I can understand that because he has worked hard at it, and on the other side he wants laws that will better people's lives, and I believe that one thing that is certain is that he despises trump and corruption. I do think he is a centrist, nothing wrong with that.
And let me define something here, a centrist in today's world doesn't mean he agrees with the current republican ideology, there is nothing good coming from the right nowadays. A true centrist will combine left, progressive and conservative ideals.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)He seems extremely self-involved and arbitrary.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)... he needs ink. He thrives on the attention he gets from saying outrageous things. It's part of his act.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Poorly conceived, lazily delivered.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)... the "snark" is part of his act. It's the wiggle in his walk. It's the Ram in his Rama Lama Ding Dong. It's money in the bank.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)arlyellowdog
(866 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)The only time he's ever declared his own political affiliation was years ago when he stated he is a Libertarian.
But perhaps at that time it was cool to be a Libertarian!
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)He can do it till he decides he's done enough.
He's always been controversarial on politics, with a smart ass comedian style.
I don't get why he's suddenly a bigger deal than he's always been.
'Don't watch him, Watch Me'. He's bad, we're good'...
That's what's this is really about. Eh?
arlyellowdog
(866 posts)Guys who claim to be liberal to cover up their misogyny. As for cancel culture. Its show biz. People get tired of watching, but celebrities cant deal with it. Thats their problem. Old comedians are the worst: Jerry Lewis, Bob Hope got so annoying, Jerry Seinfeld is hard to watch. Just retire Bill Maher. You had your day.
EYESORE 9001
(25,932 posts)so he can look down his nose with haughty disdain at everyone.
Budi
(15,325 posts)His act demands he be both for or against, which ever way the political winds blow at the monent.
Next thing, he'll host a celebrity progressive & suddenly he'll be all cool wirh the progressives.
Whatever keeps his audience watching & talking & his name in the headlines.
$$$$$
That's his schtick & it's successfully worked for 40+ years.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,415 posts)has always been fighting to somehow be relevant in a conversation that doesnt know he exists.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,415 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)But nothing like stepping on another's celebrity shoulders to elevate yourself!
That's just the dirty business of money & media with politics as the theme of the day.
➡️"Celebrity Socialist Show calls progressive Libertarian Maher a Centrist"
⬆️
Oh ya, & Quora's run by a bunch of Republicans!!
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Not sure what is sticking in your craw but you are the one who pulled that quote about Maher, w o providing a link.
So, I went ahead and found the original of the uncited text that you posted here on a Republican.quora.com subdomain.
If you had posted the link to the text along with it you would have seen it for yourself.
Just a reminder, source your quotes, folks!
Budi
(15,325 posts)My craaawww?
😁
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Agree to disagree.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I'm no fan of Mr Maher, but calling him a centrist is such a stretch it deserves all this.
He's a self proclaimed libertarian.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)
You didnt cite Maher, you just grabbed text from an online site, Probably not noticing it was on a Republicans.quora.com subdomain.
I know its a little embarrassing but its no big deal.
Budi
(15,325 posts)The site says mmm naah he's Centrist!
Followed by a plug for a socialist site.
Maher is an entertainer & his entire lifespan has been one of comedian, to politically playing one side against another.
Thats his act.
As far as "Republucan Quora", I've read more left leaning posts on it than Republucan.
Its like Twitter, or any other Social Media discussion site that profits from opinion.
Its not a site I dwell on but they do produce linked sources & opinions & No they are not Republican.
I've read far more on Quora that leans liberal, progressive than RW.
So what the fk ever.
Maher is Maher. Like him or not, watch him or ignore him.
My question is why this writer chose to make a case against him while plugging another.
And id'ing Maher as a Centrist! That would be a Bill Maher joke.
This is like reading the ever biased politico & NYTimes opiniin pages.
Ffs.
Later!
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Liberalism always assumes a degree of libertarianism. He is progressive on most issues and centrist on others. The issue here is that Maher has no changed but America did - we are now divided into echo chambers and refuse to cross paths. The article is a perfect example, if you are no with us 100%, you are against us. Maher may be the only tv personality left who is able to elicit thought. Everything else is echo chambers devoid of any possibility of debate.
Paladin
(28,253 posts)...before about 20 of the last liberal-bashing diatribes in which Maher indulged himself. "A degree of libertarianism"? Yeah, sure...
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)...proving the authors point, that sure sounds like a cringe centrist to me.
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Martin68
(22,791 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)Maher ceased to be funny a long time ago