Comments by Woodward and Costa on Face the Nation
JOHN DICKERSON : Why are these texts so important?
BOB WOODWARD: Well, because they- they come after the election is over. And the general rule in things like the Constitution and the law say there's going to be one thing that happens after the election is over, and that is the certification before Congress when the vice president, the president of the Senate presides.
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COSTA: What Bob Woodward and I have found is this campaign spearheaded by then President Trump that played out in the post-election period across all three branches of government in at least tangential ways. You had Congress working with President Trump to try to block the certification of President- that President-elect Biden at the time. You had the president pressuring state lawmakers. You had the spouse of a Supreme Court justice communicating with the White House chief of staff. And you had the executive branch doing everything possible to have a legal challenge that would maybe go all the way, as Trump said, to the Supreme Court. This was Trump pulling every lever of power. And one of those levers it appears to be, was his own chief of staff at least communicating on legal strategy with the spouse of a justice.
JOHN DICKERSON: Want to stay on the Supreme Court issue with you, Bob. One of your books is about the Supreme Court. Chief Justice John Roberts is very concerned about judicial independence. He wrote at the end of last year in his letter from the Chief Justice, 'the judiciary's power to manage its internal affairs insulates the courts from inappropriate political influence and is crucial to preserving public trust.' The idea that if the court is seen as political, its rulings won't have the weight in American life that it should.
WOODWARD: Well, he really has grounds for being worried. Now, Justice Amy Coney Barrett six months ago went to the McConnell Center in Kentucky, which is the center Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Republicans, set up and she made a remarkable speech. She said, I want to prove to you that we are not a bunch of partisan hacks in the Supreme Court. And she said justices, all justices must be hyper-vigilant to make sure they're not letting personal biases creep into their decision since justices and judges are people, too.
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