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Arkansas Granny

(31,531 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:09 AM Apr 2022

John Pavlovitz: I'm a Christian Pastor. Evangelicals Have to Be Defeated in 2022.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/06/05/im-a-christian-pastor-evangelicals-have-to-be-defeated-in-2022/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=johnpavlovitz

I’ve been a pastor in the church for over two decades, much of that in predominantly white churches in the American South.

I’ve spent countless hours in church staff meetings and men’s Bible studies and youth pastor conferences.

I’ve stayed connected on social media with thousands of people still there in those churches. I read what they share and post and amplify and I know how they think and what they believe.

I need you to understand something and I say it without any hyperbole: white Evangelicals need to be stopped, now.
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John Pavlovitz: I'm a Christian Pastor. Evangelicals Have to Be Defeated in 2022. (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Apr 2022 OP
K&R ck4829 Apr 2022 #1
There's no way genuine Christian faith can be reconciled to Republican party politics lees1975 Apr 2022 #2
I've had pastors and bible school graduates back down LT Barclay Apr 2022 #5
Pavlovitz tells the truth. May I quote? usonian Apr 2022 #3
A passage from the article Maraya1969 Apr 2022 #4
And these jerks are the only Christians who make the news, it seems Clash City Rocker Apr 2022 #6
There are all kinds of closets slightlv Apr 2022 #7

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
2. There's no way genuine Christian faith can be reconciled to Republican party politics
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:52 AM
Apr 2022
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/04/evangelical-support-for-trump-is-not.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/04/why-this-christian-prefers-democrats.html

I don't believe that a case can be made, philosophically, ideologically and especially spiritually, that links the practice of Christianity by Caucasian Americans to the political right. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was a theocracy, believing themselves to be called and commissioned by God to reveal his existence and presence to the world. But in the New Testament, the record of the "new covenant," Jesus clearly made some changes, noting "My kingdom is not of this world," and also making it quite clear that while the Jews expected a political "messiah" to restore the glory of their nation, Jesus was building a spiritual empire to focus on God's glory. The Christian gospel took faith and belief in God out of a political realm and built a church on faith, not politics or military might.

The political involvement of Evangelicals has involved wrapping much of their doctrine around political perspectives, creating a position in which a rejection of a political point is considered rejection of the faith. This is a completely false perspective, a complete corruption of the gospel of Jesus Christ itself, a heretical departure from Christian faith as it has been traditionally interpreted.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
5. I've had pastors and bible school graduates back down
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:35 PM
Apr 2022

When I challenge them to list the issues and compare the parties based on the Bible.
In the future I’d probably base the comparison on conservative versus liberal policies as day to day politics is the result of a lot of compromises.

usonian

(9,885 posts)
3. Pavlovitz tells the truth. May I quote?
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:58 AM
Apr 2022

Be terrified and get angry.
Be terrified and get busy.
Be terrified and go to work.
Be terrified and fight like hell.

My 2¢ worth:
THE BEST CURE IS WINNING
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216524810

Finally, a sticky slogan for the GOP: 'Fraud, fear and fascism'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216571510

And you can add:
PROJECTION.
Yardwork stated it very clearly in a post.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16580495

"Every accusation is a confession."
We could start saying that to anybody who complains about Biden, stolen elections, brainwashing children in schools, killing babies, etc.


GOTV
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216380145

Maraya1969

(22,500 posts)
4. A passage from the article
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 11:05 AM
Apr 2022

"I hear many people say they’re terrified, but being terrified alone doesn’t do anything but help these people.
Be terrified and get angry.
Be terrified and get busy.
Be terrified and go to work.
Be terrified and fight like hell."

Clash City Rocker

(3,402 posts)
6. And these jerks are the only Christians who make the news, it seems
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 04:06 PM
Apr 2022

If you want to call them Christians, which I don’t.

There was a story a few years ago about a hate crimes bill. Evangelicals would only support it if they took LGBTQ people off the list of hate crime victims. That tells you all you need to know about these clowns. They do not represent Christianity.

slightlv

(2,840 posts)
7. There are all kinds of closets
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:30 PM
Apr 2022

Some of us have been out of ours for so many decades, there's no going back in...

Besides, my broom closet is full of vacuum cleaners, now...!

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