Missing from Roe debate: Pregnancy is not health-neutral

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

The Supreme Court opinion leak and comments made in oral arguments on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health make it clear to me as a practicing OB-GYN that the justices don’t understand one huge medical fact: Pregnancy is not a health-neutral event.

When debating whether pregnant people have a right to decide what is best for them and their body, it seems that society (and the justices) mistakenly refers to the alternative to abortion as adoption. This is not accurate. Adoption is an alternative to parenting.

The only alternative to abortion is continuing the pregnancy, which carries immediate and long-term health effects.

Pregnancy remains a major cause of morbidity and mortality in the United States and is much higher here than in other developed nations. Black pregnant people are 2.5 times more likely to have perinatal death than their white counterparts. OB-GYNs sometimes say “an uncomplicated pregnancy is a diagnosis only made in hindsight” as even low-risk, healthy individuals may have any number of complications specific to pregnancy and birth such preeclampsia, gestational diabetes, hemorrhage, preterm birth, blood clots, serious depression and more. Common experiences in pregnancy translate to long-term health outcomes. For example, about one-third of all births in the United States happen by C-section, which is a major abdominal surgery. Preeclampsia and hypertensive disorders in pregnancy are common and associated with cardiovascular disease and a five times higher risk of high blood pressure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/missing-from-roe-debate-pregnancy-is-not-health-neutral/ar-AAX2JFw

[C_U_L8R]

1. They don't believe in any of those things

Not mentioned in the Bible or the Constitution. Ignorami.

[area51]

2. Also, left out of the equation is that

we don't have universal healthcare. When unwanted children are born at hospitals, and the mothers can't pay the bills, nazi party members don't understand that their own hospital bills will be raised to cover the hospital losses.

[Freddie]

3. They don't care

We’re expected to happily risk our lives to satisfy their morals. We are just brood mares in service to the Sacred Fetus.

[CrispyQ]

4. Feeling morally superior is a HUGE part of the evangelical movement.

Ignorant, vile, shallow people full of self-righteousness. I loathe them.

[Freddie]

6. I hate them with the heat of a thousand suns

Especially being the mother and grandmother of girls.
And so many of those “virtuous” ladies picketing Planned Parenthood will have their teenage daughters ooops quietly “taken care of” and then go right back to harassing women the next day. Gotta do that virtue signaling.

[calimary]

9. Take a number.

[housecat]

7. "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

[LoisB]

13. Exactly.

[Solly Mack]

5. When you believe women gave birth while running from dinosaurs

health concerns like pregnancy - all by itself - being a major cause of morbidity and mortality is easily dismissed.

They don't even consider the lack of healthcare, racism in healthcare and across the board, as well as sexism and bigotry in healthcare and across the board as a problem because those are conditions they have actively sought.

[erronis]

8. This involves "science" and evidentiary medicine. The frothers don't believe in this -

they believe in whatever written words they want to. And then they want to interpret them as they want to.

Seems somewhat arbitrary and "non-judicial".

[dlk]

10. The SCOTUS zealots are usurping medical decisions from millions of Americans

All based on an extremist, religious dogma. Those who don’t vote did this to us. Those who didn’t vote for Hillary did this to us. Action (and inaction) has consequences, and this decision will be fatal for too many women.

[paleotn]

11. I'm convinced it's not really about "teh babies! " at all.

It's about putting women in what they consider a woman's proper place. It's about imposing their fucked up religion on the rest of us. It's about increasing the number of white babies, since many white people are deathly afraid of what will happen to them once groups they've shit on for 400 years become ascendant. Same thing that terrifies Unionists in Northern Ireland. Sunni's in Iraq. And on and on.

Thus, they don't give two shits about women, their health, the health and welfare of children or any of that stuff. It all boils down to racism and fucked up religion.

[BlueSky3]

12. When a woman dies of an unwanted pregnancy,

can the family sue the state, the SC, for willful harm? In other words, will there be law suits, class action suits?

[Warpy]

14. Anyone who's ever been through the obstetrical unit of med or nursing school

comes away wondering how any of us got here alive and how our mothers survived the process. Because something is required to continue the species doesn't mean it is nonviolent. It absolutely must be voluntary.

And if white, cis, Christian men want us to have more white babies, maybe they should consider not penalizing women for having them, and I'm talking culturally and socially as well as economically.

[Tommymac]

15. Welcome to the Theocracy.

[pfitz59]

17. The Talibornagain seeking nothing less

than an Xian nation of 'holy vessels' and 'sacred seed'.

[70sEraVet]

16. That's right. I thought Republicans have been making it clear, from ObamaCare

to poor Dr. Fauci, that they do not want the government sticking its nose into their health decisions!