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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,103 posts)
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 02:52 PM Jul 2022

Tories awaken to the cost of being led by an entertainer. The GOP still hasn't.

Every stage of Boris Johnson’s political progression has been utterly ludicrous and farcical — and that extended to his downfall, or “clownfall,” as the Economist dubbed it. Suddenly, in the past few days, there was a mass exodus from the British government among cabinet ministers who professed themselves to be shocked by the prime minister’s duplicity. “A decent and responsible Government relies on honesty, integrity and mutual respect,” thundered Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis in his letter of resignation.

Well, yes. But it’s hardly news that Johnson possesses none of those qualities. Dishonesty wasn’t a bug in the BoJo operating system, it was the system itself. “People have known that Boris Johnson lies for 30 years,” says Rory Stewart, a former Conservative member of Parliament. “He’s probably the best liar we’ve ever had as a prime minister.”

In this respect, Johnson was very much like former president Donald Trump. The difference, of course, is that while Trump continues to exercise an inexplicable hold on his political party, Johnson’s grip has finally been broken. The questions are: How could Conservatives have ignored for so long what was so blindingly obvious? And how can Republicans still stay in denial?

Until this week, the Conservative Party chose to overlook Johnson’s pathological mendacity because he was so popular. The secret of his popularity was that he was terrifically entertaining. Like a certain orange-tinted former U.S. president, he did not present as a normal politician. He made a virtue of his lack of seriousness to make it seem as if he was just a regular bloke despite his posh background. He bumbled his way to the top.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/08/boris-johnson-resignation-donald-trump-republications-tories-gop-conservatives/

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Tories awaken to the cost of being led by an entertainer. The GOP still hasn't. (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 OP
Maybe we are in for a pleasant surprise. Turbineguy Jul 2022 #1
The 2024 GOP nominee will not be Trump at140 Jul 2022 #2
Kick dalton99a Jul 2022 #3
The Tories are being given waaaay too much credit by Americans OnDoutside Jul 2022 #4

Turbineguy

(37,359 posts)
1. Maybe we are in for a pleasant surprise.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:01 PM
Jul 2022

One can always hope.

At least trump is a fuck-up so he'll keep doing what he's doing.

at140

(6,110 posts)
2. The 2024 GOP nominee will not be Trump
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jul 2022

He looks old, tired and more fat. He is obviously not preparing for a run.
I am more worried about DeSantis who has far less baggage than Trump.

dalton99a

(81,554 posts)
3. Kick
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:45 PM
Jul 2022
Why, then, is the BoJo show closing while the Trump show rolls on? In part it’s because British politics is less populist and Tories are less radicalized than Republicans; there are Murdoch-owned newspapers but no Fox “News” Channel in the U.K. It’s also because British political parties are more powerful. While Tory parliamentarians don’t choose their leader, they do winnow the field down to two candidates for a vote by the party rank and file. Even if the winner becomes prime minister, that person can be, and often is, toppled by colleagues in the cabinet and the House of Commons.

If the United States had a similar system, with the Republican establishment in control of the primaries, the likely GOP nominee in 2016 would have been Jeb Bush, not Donald Trump. And if it were routine for Congress and the Cabinet to evict underperforming presidents, Trump might not have lasted long in office.

But our political parties are too weak and our standards for evicting an incumbent are too high: The president has to commit either “high crimes and misdemeanors” or be unable to discharge “the duties of his office.” Of course, Trump did commit high crimes and he was unable to discharge his duties. But Republicans feared the wrath of their rabid base if they were to make him the first president ever removed under either the Constitution’s impeachment clause or the 25th Amendment. (Richard M. Nixon resigned before being impeached.)

Now, despite everything, Trump could still make a comeback, because he retains a Svengali-like hold on the Republican base. It’s a tribute to the British political system that Boris Johnson is finally being removed from office, and a terrible indictment of the U.S. political system that Trump — who has done far worse — could still return to it.

OnDoutside

(19,964 posts)
4. The Tories are being given waaaay too much credit by Americans
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jul 2022

Johnson only got ousted because the polls were going down the toilet for them, threatening a massive loss at the next general election. The last two by elections saw the Tory candidate heavily beaten, so the rats deserted the stinking ship.

The bad news for the new leader is that any step closer to alignment with the EU, will split the party and compound their troubles. Deservedly so.

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