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Judi Lynn

(160,633 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:31 AM Jul 2022

An intriguing new detail on Trump's 'fake' electors

Analysis by Aaron Blake
Staff writer

Updated July 26, 2022 at 6:30 p.m. EDT|Published July 26, 2022 at 5:36 p.m. EDT

In recent months, the various investigations into Jan. 6 have increasingly zeroed in on the “fake” electors for President Donald Trump. In states that Trump lost, the fake electors were people who claimed they were duly chosen — something he later tried to leverage to get Vice President Mike Pence to help overturn the election on that fateful day.

But both when they were designated on Dec. 14, 2020, and since, these fake electors have almost always been described as a contingency plan. Dec. 14 was the elector deadline, and the idea was supposedly that they needed to be in place just in case the election results were changed before Jan. 6. Perhaps Trump and Co. later “misuse[d]” the fake electors to try to overturn the election regardless, as Georgia’s fake electors suggested last week in court, but the fake electors themselves shouldn’t be held responsible for that if they had no knowledge of that plan.

New evidence, though, suggests that at least some involved might have understood the fake-elector plan differently — from very early in the process.

A New York Times report details a batch of new emails related to the fake-elector plot. Figuring prominently is a Phoenix-based lawyer who worked with the Trump campaign, Jack Wilenchik. Wilenchik corresponded with Trump campaign adviser Boris Epshteyn and others on Dec. 8, according to the Times report. In one email, he outright refers to the electors as “ ‘fake’ electors,” before later suggesting that a more palatable phrase would be “alternate” electors.

More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/26/trump-fake-electors-arizona/

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An intriguing new detail on Trump's 'fake' electors (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2022 OP
Lock them all up. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #1
Exactly. paleotn Jul 2022 #7
Trump never ran the country. Just criming every minute Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #2
People have to be in serious denial not to see it. A crime a minute... elias7 Jul 2022 #3
Criming ... and grifting FakeNoose Jul 2022 #6
Well, you have to give Trump credit for having enough integrity Rocknation Jul 2022 #4
Yes, isn't it interesting that NJCher Jul 2022 #8
They understood the strategy.... paleotn Jul 2022 #5
They knew they had to sneak in the government building gab13by13 Jul 2022 #9
Yep. That says it all. paleotn Jul 2022 #10
Alternate Electors, reminiscent of Kelly Anne Conway's MadLinguist Jul 2022 #11
Ron Johnson LessAspin Jul 2022 #12
The fact that there is any doubt at all that this was a serious crime, committed by Trump and by lees1975 Jul 2022 #13

gab13by13

(21,414 posts)
1. Lock them all up.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 07:18 AM
Jul 2022

Pa. and one other state had an out on the fake elector document, all of the other fake electors from the other states need to be prosecuted or flipped. You don't send the fake elector documents to the National Archives if it was just a "what if" alternative.

FakeNoose

(32,786 posts)
6. Criming ... and grifting
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:17 AM
Jul 2022

However he put his son-in-law in charge of the grifting. He handled the criming himself.

Lock them up. All of them!

Rocknation

(44,578 posts)
4. Well, you have to give Trump credit for having enough integrity
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:08 AM
Jul 2022

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2022, 11:45 AM - Edit history (1)

to realize that there was at least a chance that he couldn't win the popular vote on his own merits...


rocktivity

NJCher

(35,751 posts)
8. Yes, isn't it interesting that
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:25 AM
Jul 2022

He understood that reality. If he ever goes for an insanity defense, this would be pertinent.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
5. They understood the strategy....
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:16 AM
Jul 2022

When you think about who electoral college electors actually are, you'll find it hard to believe they didn't know. These aren't yokel magats and neophytes. Electors are party insiders from the state party apparatus. They fully understand how things actually work, thus knew exactly what they were about with the fake elector deal. They are at the least accomplices to a crime.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
11. Alternate Electors, reminiscent of Kelly Anne Conway's
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jul 2022

Alternate Facts. Bowling Green Massacre of ancient scandal history

lees1975

(3,886 posts)
13. The fact that there is any doubt at all that this was a serious crime, committed by Trump and by
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:55 PM
Jul 2022

every single person who let their name be placed on those fake documents is unfathomable.

These people should all be charged with sedition and jailed until tried and convicted.

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