Are Assange's fears justified?

[EFerrari]

Philip Dorling
June 23, 2012

THERE has been a predictable storm of media commentary following Julian Assange's dramatic bid to seek political asylum at Ecuador's London embassy. Many commentators have been dismissive of Assange's claims he is at risk of politically-motivated United States espionage charges.

It has been repeatedly claimed there is "no evidence" of any US prosecution and that the WikiLeaks founder is only engaged in a desperate bid to avoid extradition to Sweden to face questioning about sexual assault allegations.

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Against this background it is reasonable to ask just what evidence there is of a US desire and indeed intention to prosecute Assange.

The short answer is a great deal of evidence — from the public statements of the US government, Australian diplomatic reports released to Fairfax Media under freedom-of-information laws, and disclosures in the pre-court martial proceedings concerning US Army private Bradley Manning who faces 22 charges, including the most serious one of "aiding the enemy" by disclosing classified military information. There has never been that much secrecy about the US government's determination to pursue WikiLeaks.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/are-assanges-fears-justified-20120622-20u6i.html#ixzz1ysq3iGjD

[Lionessa]

1. I don't know, but I entirely understand his concerns.

I fear we are no longer trustworthy, I fear our word is no longer of value or honor.

I entirely understand his trepidation.

[dipsydoodle]

2. His extradition to Sweden is based solely on being wanted for questioning

on the basis of which the US could could presumably do the same : "wanted for questioning". I can quite understand his concern.

[EFerrari]

5. The government claims the right to hold prisoners indefinitely without charge

and to assassinate enemies of the state anywhere without obligation to present evidence in any court.

Not much room for negotiation there.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

3. Not unless the governmental policy is to protect war criminals and go after whistle-blowers.

[bemildred]

8. Well done. nt

[solarman350]

4. Note to Assange: When it is Officially Denied, Consider it True

--and be proactively cautious until further notice. Remember how the U.S. renditioned Aristide out of Haiti. You don't want to go that way out of Sweden....

[Bodhi BloodWave]

9. Does that mean that if its 'officially acknowledged' that its false? n/t

[jeff47]

6. Here's where this conspiracy theory falls down:

The UK would happily extradite him to the US if we asked.

Heck, the UK would extradite pretty much anyone we ask them to. I'm pretty sure we could get Prince Charles. The Queen would be a bit tougher.

To believe that the US is waiting for him to arrive in Sweden neglects this simple fact: it's easier for the US to get him from the UK. So why would the US wait for Assange to arrive in Sweden? This article claims it's fears over the upcoming election, but they've had years to "get" Assange. They could have picked him up long ago and his case would be mostly forgotten by the election.

There's also the little tidbit that he can't be prosecuted in the US for what he did. Otherwise the reporters that published the Pentagon Papers, Iran-Contra or thousands of other leaks would be in prison. But hey, I'm sure evil, shadowy forces will manage to ignore the law while using the law to prosecute Assange.

[bemildred]

7. They just want to keep him penned up.

Him hiding in some embassy is just perfect, he's busy and nobody has to do anything further in public or legally.

He was askin for trouble doing that TV show anyway.

[jeff47]

11. Now THAT makes sense. But it's caused by Assange's actions, not a US conspiracy. (nt)

[bemildred]

13. Assange caused the US to want to keep him penned up?

Just trying to clarify, what was it Assange's actions (not some US conspiracy) caused?

[jeff47]

17. They dislike that he published classified.

So they'd prefer he be locked up for something, even if it's not them and they can't persue a case.

Much like I would like Karl Rove to be locked up, but I can't charge him with a crime. It's schadenfreude-y

[bemildred]

21. So that's a "no"? nt

[jeff47]

22. I really don't see how you got "no" out of that.

Assage publishes classified.
People who wanted to keep those secrets become upset.

Golly gee, I wonder if they're upset about the publication of that classified? No, I'm sure it's utterly unrelated.

[bemildred]

23. I don't see any causation in that.

The US could quite easily ignore the whole thing, he released public records to the public.

[jeff47]

24. Public records aren't stamped SECRET.

(Or if they've been declassified, the SECRET is crossed out)

[bemildred]

25. All government records are public records.

The government itself belongs to the public, no?

[struggle4progress]

26. Now that's a novel theory. I bet none of the governments above you hold it.

Everybody's tax returns should be public record in your opinion? All current police files should be public record in your opinion? All personnel files for public employees should be public record in your opinion? All notes and files in the cabinets of government attorneys should be public record in your opinion? What about medical records in city- or county-owned hospitals?

[bemildred]

27. What's that you say?

[jeff47]

28. No. Unless you think the government should publish your address and social security number.

They're on a lot of government records. It should be public then, right? So what if there's massive identity theft afterwards,, Bemildred says it's public.

Hey, maybe there's an actual legal definition of public records....why yes there is! And it doesn't include classified! Heck, there's even a special "For Official Use Only" category for non-classified but private information like addresses and social security numbers.

[bemildred]

29. Those are public. Anybody can get them. Are you nuts? nt

[jeff47]

30. I can get your social security number without your permission?

Really? Where?

I've got a few hundred million fraudulent credit cards to open.

Or maybe you're utterly wrong about social security numbers being public records.

[bemildred]

33. Well, all right then, you can redact the SSNs. nt

[EFerrari]

10. Not evil shadowy forces, jeff. Obama's Department of Justice.

[jeff47]

12. Did you miss the part where this was not new and not prosecutable? (nt)

[EFerrari]

14. No. Did you miss the part where this Justice Department signed off on

assassination lists, the abuse of Brad Manning, a new black site in Mogadishu and using the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers?

[jeff47]

16. Did you miss the part where those aren't illegal?

Fun fact: The executive branch can do almost anything to foreigners in a war. Like create assassination lists. Don't like it? Get Congress to rescind the massively over-broad AUMF passed after 9/11.

Manning abuse? About the only one that's actually legally abuse was the punitive suicide watch. The people that did it had their careers ended and Manning has wonderful grounds to sue when he's not busy.....but it also doesn't mean he gets away with leaking.

Using the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers? Leaking classified is illegal. Even when you claim you have good intentions for doing so. There are multiple independent channels to expose wrongdoing without leaking to the press.

So, let's pretend Assange is arrested by the DOJ. His lawyer files a motion that points out that he is not charged with a crime that can be prosecuted. Judge orders his release and he gets a nice payday in his subsequent lawsuit against the government.

Oh, but all this crap still assumes the US is waiting until Assange goes to Sweden to extradite him. Which again is fucking stupid. I have found no cases where the UK denied extradition to the US in the last 40 years. The only "wrinkle" in extradition was the requirement that the US not seek the death penalty. Once that was waved, the suspect was extradited.

So, what's your argument that extradition would work better from Sweden? We've got a fantastic track record from the UK. Seems really, really, really dumb to wait.

[EFerrari]

18. I'm talking about human rights abuses and your argument is that they're legal?

Holy cow.

[reorg]

20. The US is waiting until it suits them, and here are the numbers, Mr Legal Expert

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about UK-US extraditions which you claim to be unable to find.

... government figures show that between 2004-11, 112 extradition requests were made by the US to Britain. Of those, 73 defendants were extradited while seven cases were discharged, with the remainder still unresolved.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/claims-uk-us-extradition-pact-lopsided-but-some-legal-experts-disagree

Wait, that's just some obscure newspaper from the UAE, WTF do they know, right?

How about the official UK document where you can find these numbers in the table on page 472.

A REVIEW OF THE UNITED KINGDOM’S EXTRADITION ARRANGEMENTS

REQUESTS TO UK BY US from 2004-2011
Requests received 36 8 17 10 11 19 18 11
Arrests 24 16 15 8 9 19 14 7
Surrendered 3 8 16 8 6 16 10 6
Discharged (by courts) 0 1 1 1 3 1 0 0
Refused (Secretary of State)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Withdrawn by requesting State
1 2 1 0 1 2 1 0
Not Returned (Miscellaneous)
0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/police/operational-policing/extradition-review?view=Binary

So, while the Secretary of State never intervened to deny a request, the courts have discharged 7 within the last 7 years, the US have withdrawn their request in 8 more cases and many cases of those arrested due to extradition requests are still pending. 112 arrests, 73 surrenders, that's a little less than three quarters instead of 100 percent success rate for extraditions from the UK to the US, right?

The numbers of extraditions from Sweden to the US may be harder to come by unless someone speaks Swedish. So, for the time being, let's take this:

Questions and answers about the Julian Assange sex crimes case and Swedish extradition rules
Malin Rising, The Associated Press, Feb 06, 2011

Since 2000, the U.S. has requested the extradition of seven citizens from Sweden, according to the Swedish Justice Ministry. Five of the requests were approved, and two were rejected because the suspects were no longer believed to be in Sweden.

http://www.1310news.com/news/world/article/179730--questions-and-answers-about-the-julian-assange-sex-crimes-case-and-swedish-extradition-rules

So, out of 5 people arrested, 5 people were extradited. Success rate of 100 percent in extraditions requested by US from Sweden between 2000 and 2010.

[struggle4progress]

15. This is just a stupid game. US free speech law will, with few exceptions, protect anyone who merely

received and published information. The exceptions typically involve revealing operational aspects of security: for example, exposing the identities of agents. So if Assange merely received and published some documents that didn't expose agents identities, he's probably home free. But US free speech law will not necessarily protect those who work in combination to steal information: so if (say) Assange was helping Manning to crack passwords to access files, his position might be rather different

The first point to be made, therefore, is that it very much matters, under US law, exactly what Assange did or did not do, and the law is usually heavily tilted on behalf of the publisher. We, of course, have no idea what exactly Assange did or did not do, because Assange -- despite all his high-falutin jabber about transparency -- is really a rather secretive fellow

Assange, and his mommy, and his supporters, are all out shrieking that Assange will be seized and, subject to extraordinary rendition, transported to America where he will face torture and death. The reality is that extraordinary rendition and torture have been applied only to the weak and unknown, and that the death penalty never falls in America on people with many friends. There is absolutely no chance that Assange could be subject to extraordinary rendition or tortured, nor is there the slightest chance he could face the death penalty. This fear of extraordinary rendition to the US, followed by torture and execution, is loudly the basis of his opposition to extradition to Sweden and also of his Asylum request to Ecuador: Sweden (we are told) is a spineless vassal of the US

And so the second point to be made is: Assange is something of a poseur. He planned to move the entire Wikileaks to Sweden, and visited the country a few years back with that intention, applying at the time for Swedish residency. His desire to dominate younger women, however, seems to have gotten the better of him, and his remarks at the time show his perspective clearly enough: "I may be a chauvinist pig of some sort but I am no rapist, and only a distorted version of sexual politics could attempt to turn me into one," he told us, and he further complained "Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism. I fell into a hornets' nest of revolutionary feminism!" Whatever the actual facts of his Swedish visit, we do not really hear from Assange any concern for the women involved in his Swedish affairs. Perhaps this is unsurprising, given that he has bragged in the past of leaving a trail of illegitimate baby-Assanges in his wake, four apparently being known in Australia alone

And a third point is also made here clearly: Assange shows a certain indifference to others. Bradley Manning has not and will not receive any significant help from Assange. Assange also seems to have cheerfully screwed over the folk who generously guaranteed his bail. As the evidence on the personal side mounts up, it becomes much easier to believe than Assange has also been callously indifferent to the fates of the lower-level leakers whose work has made Assange himself famous -- a charge now repeatedly made by various professional human-rights workers familiar with various specific cases handled by Wikileaks

The hypocritical noises made by Assange and his supporters become especially tiresome when one begins to understand how these noises prevent one from obtaining an accurate picture of the state of affairs. It will actually be more difficult to extradite Assange from Sweden to the US, than to extradite Assange from the UK to the US, not only because EU extradition law imposes limits on such successive extraditions, but also because the UK has an extradition treaty with the US that is much more favorable to the US than Sweden's bilateral extradition treaty is. Moreover, UK law would have regarded Assange's Wikileaks releases as clearly and unquestionably criminal, if the released material had involved UK military or diplomatic documents, rather than US military or diplomatic documents -- in a way that US law cannot possibly regard the release itself as criminal -- so there is a certain crudity in Assange's sojourn in the UK, whining of the dangers he faces from the US

I have no idea whether Assange is guilty of sexual assault in Sweden or guilty of crimes related to classified information in the US. The hurdle for proof, in either matter, would seem to be rather substantial, but both the Swedish and American justice systems would be perfectly capable of producing fair trials, if either matter ever resulted in charges and trial. The whining noise of Assange and his followers, however, is wearing thin

[EFerrari]

19. "US free speech law will, with few exceptions, protect anyone who merely received & published info."

While you were sleeping:

Jane Mayer on the Obama war on whistle-blowers
http://www.salon.com/2011/05/16/whistleblowers_6/

Obama has Prosecuted More Whistleblowers than All Other Presidents COMBINED
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/obama-has-prosecuted-more-whistleblowers-than-all-other-presidents-combined.html

WikiLeakers and Whistle-Blowers: Obama's Hard Line
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2058340,00.html

Ellsberg ciriticizes Obama for prosecution of whistleblowers
http://www.whistleblowersblog.org/2010/06/articles/whistleblowers-government-empl/terrorism/ellsberg-ciriticizes-obama-for-prosecution-of-whistleblowers/


Obama More Aggressive Than Bush In Targeting Whistleblowers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/obama-whistleblowers_n_609787.html

Get the Whistleblowers
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/get-the-whistleblowers/

President Obama: Prosecuting Whistleblowers, Intimidating Their Supporters
http://news.change.org/stories/president-obama-prosecuting-whistleblowers-intimidating-their-supporters

Is Thomas Drake an enemy of the state?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer#ixzz1yxqN7oOF

Obama’s War on Whistleblowers
http://harpers.org/archive/2010/08/hbc-90007562

Former CIA officer charged in leaks case
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-officer-charged-in-leaks/2012/01/23/gIQA3AhTLQ_story.html

Olympus Whistleblower Said to Face Questions by SEC in U.S. Investigation
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-18/olympus-whistleblower-said-to-face-questions-by-sec-in-u-s-investigation.html

President Obama Indicts Sixth Whistleblower Under the Espionage Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002535136



Yeah, that Assange is really a big pain and so are his supporters.

[Solly Mack]

31. kr

[clang1]

32. TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES AND AMERICA

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THIS POST IS ABOUT HISTORY AND RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD. WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN TWO EYES TODAY. IT IS ALSO ABOUT TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES.


FEAR AND MORAL COWARDICE IS WHY ALL THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

People NEED to Learn, to do the Right Things. SIMPLE.
Those that CHOOSE Not to do this, are Not on the Side of Justice, in ANYTHING.

They have Neither Good Morals, or Values. And They will Not HELP those of US that Do, Anyway. Pick your Friends WISELY.

I would Accept Julian Assange or Manning as a Friends Anyday. Both HAVE Good Morals and Values. The ENTIRE World SEES This.

So it is TRUE. The WORLD, DOES NOT LIE. It is Politicians and Dictators who Lie. I Listen to Everything, and I know what is Wrong and What is Right. If MORE People Did, it Would be a MUCH Better World than what it is NOW. I see this Everyday in Fact. It is how the World works when you do Not do what is Right. Everything is like that in the World.

COMMON SENSE SAYS: WHO WOULD TRUST A PROVEN TORTURER?

ASSANGE will make NO DEALS. He is TOO MORAL, to do that. AND He does NOT NEED TO MAKE DEALS. HE HAS MORALS, WHY SHOULD HE? WHO MAKES DEALS WITH EVIL? THE SMART MAN DOES NOT IN MY BOOK. THAT WOULD BE LIKE MAKING A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL. WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNS OUT.



ASSANGE WILL NOT SURRENDER OR MAKE DEALS, HE HAS COMMON SENSE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT.

THE QUESTIONS THAT THE WORLD IS ASKING ARE ABOUT MORALS AND VALUES TOO. THE MORALS AND VALUES OF TORTURERS.
IT IS NOT ASSANGES MORALS THE WORLD QUESTIONS...IT IS THOSE WHO HAVE NO MORAL OR VALUES THAT THE WORLD IS TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT.

PEOPLE IN AMERICA NEED TO QUESTION THIS LACK OF MORALITY AS WELL. MY QUESTION IS: WHY IS THIS FILTH A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT? OF ANY GOVERNMENT FOR THAT MATTER? I THINK THE WORLD ASKS THIS AS WELL... I HEAR IT ASKING THIS.

WHY AREN'T MORE AMERICANS ASKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT ARE THEIR MORALS AND VALUES? ARE THEY AMERICAN ONES? OR SOMETHING ELSE? ...

ALL OF THIS IS UN-AMERICAN. PERIOD.

POLITICS DO NOT DEFINE AMERICA. MORALS AND VALUES DEFINE AMERICA.


CONSIDER THESE PEOPLES MORALS....TO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD CITIZENS IN AMERICA BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DIFFERENCE. THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AMERICA DID UNDERSTAND THIS....AMERICANS NEED TO LEARN THIS AGAIN.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO BE BASED ON GOOD MORALS AND VALUES TOO.

WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LEADERSHIP IS BASED UPON ONLY POLITICS. IT IS USUALLY DISASTER THAT RESULTS IN THE END. AFTER ALL, 9-11 HAPPENED. IT IS THE FAULT OF THE LEADERS. THEY CAUSED IT. PERIOD.

THESE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE OF THE LEADERS, THEY OWN THEM, THEY CREATED THEM AFTER ALL. NOT THE PEOPLE.
ANYONE THAT TRIES TO EMBELLISH THIS TRUTH IS EITHER A LIAR, IGRNORANT, OR A PROPAGANDIST. PERIOD.



ANYONE THAT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE HERE, NEEDS TO ONLY CONSIDER THE WORDS IN BOLD TO SEE WHAT THE REALITY IS.



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UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT TODAY MANNING, WIKILEAKS AND ASSANGE AND HISTORY.


THE WOLF IS ALWAYS THE WOLF. THAT IS NATURE.


NATURE DOES NOT REGRESS, IT EVOLVES. UNDERSTAND.


Wolves do not evolve into better things...and they ALWAYS need to EAT. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IN NATURE.


That is what is happening here... The Wolf does not become something better....it's ORIGIN is still that of a WOLF.

That is the WORLD.

People need to look around, and pick up a book or two. We need more than books right now.



PFC MANNING SITS IN THE SAME PLACE AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAT. HISTORY OF MAN REPEATS ITSELF WHEN IT IS ALLOWED TO DO SO. IT ALWAYS DOES WHEN THERE IS NO JUSTICE AND CORRUPTION.

The Falcon and the Snowman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falcon_and_the_Snowman


The Falcon and the Snowman is based on the true story of former altar boy and former Catholic seminary student Christopher Boyce and fellow former altar boy turned drug dealer Andrew Daulton Lee, two young men from wealthy California families who sold classified government information to the Soviet Union during the mid 1970s.


--WHAT DID THEY EXPOSE? CIA CORRUPTION IN AUSTRALIA. AUSTRALIAN ELECTIONS. INTERFERENCE.


THINK OF THIS INSANITY.......NOW PEOPLE LIKE MURDOCH AND HIS FOX NEWS HELP CORRODE OUR OWN DEMOCRACY...




DO PEOPLE HERE TRUST THESE MEN? OR THE WAY THAT THE WORLD WORKS? I SIDE WITH WHAT I SEE OF THE WORLD. NOT WHAT SOMEONE TELLS ME TO SEE.


HISTORY HAS REPEATED ITSELF. WHY IS FOX AND MURDOCH ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS? THAN NATURE EVEN? THEY ARE NOT GOD!!!!! THEY ARE THE WOLF AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE WOLF. SEE IT.


THERE MUST BE JUSTICE FOR ASSANGE AND MANNING. OTHERWISE MORE INNOCENT MEN GO TO PRISONS FOR THE CRIME OF REPORTING TORTURERS AND MURDERERS.

ELSE HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF YET AGAIN...IT MUST STOP.



It is all just insane. BUT NORMAL. IT IS THE CURRENT NATURE OF THINGS UNLESS PEOPLE CHANGE THEM. IT IS OUR WORLD AFTER ALL.


PEOPLE MUST MAKE THE PROPER CHOICES. ASSANGE IS MAKING THE PROPER CHOICES.



SNAKES DO NOT CHANGE ON THEIR OWN EITHER. PERIOD. AND THERE ARE SNAKES INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE GIVEN TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS CHANGE AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

THERE MUST BE JUSTICE. NO MORE HISTORY. WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES




PEOPLE HERE IN AMERICA ALSO BETTER LOOK AT WHY MURDOCH WILL SOON BE COMING HERE WITH HIS BILLIONS....

Rupert Murdoch snubs Britain and says he will invest his billions in the US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154894


CONSIDER EVERYTHING IN THIS BUSINESS. ALWAYS CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY OR OUTCOME. IMAGINE EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT IS. JUST THINK.

IF ANYTHING, CONSIDER THE IRONY OF ALL THIS....IT IS SICKENING.

WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF FASCISM AND AUSTRALIA (CIA), NOW AN AUSTRALIAN AND FASCISM IN AMERICA (MURDOCH)

PEOPLE ALREADY IN PRISON IN THE 1960S FOR EXPOSING SIMILAR CRIMES, THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN FACT.

MANNING IN PRISON AND TORTURED FOR EXPOSING SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN 2009.


WIKILEAKS....


HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.

WE NEED TO CHOP THE HEAD OFF OF THIS SNAKE....PERIOD. OTHERWISE IT WILL CONTINUE TO KILL PEOPLE.

WHEN DO WE KILL THIS SNAKE, ONCE AND FOR ALL, THAT POISONS OUR COUNTRY AND OUR DEMOCRACY. IT ALSO POISONS OTHER COUNTRIES. IT MUST STOP.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.


KNOW YOUR HISTORY AND CURRENT EVENTS. DO NOT LET PROPAGANDISTS LIE TO YOU. I SEE IT HAPPEN ACROSS AMERICA. I SEE IT HERE ON THIS BOARD EVEN IN SOME PEOPLE...THEY ARE PROPAGANDISTS TOO, THEY SPREAD MISINFORMATION, THEY MEAN TO DECEIVE SAME AS KNOWN TORTURERS ALWAYS DECEIVE. IGNORE THEM. THEY DO NOT LIKE JUSTICE ANYWAY AND WE ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY LIKE. JUSTICE REALLY DOES NOT CARE WHAT THEY LIKE EITHER, IT IS JUSTICE. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THE WORLD DOES. WE KNOW ALL OF THE PARTIES IN THESE AFFAIRS. PERIOD.


NEVER LET A FOOL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES IN THE WORLD. FOOLS LIE, OR PERHAPS THEY JUST DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER ANYWAY...EITHER WAY. SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, LEARN HISTORY, AND TODAY MAKES MORE SENSE THEN.

YOU WILL THEN UNDERSTAND WHY ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA. PERIOD. NOT UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE. PERIOD. THERE ARE TORTURERS AND MURDERERS STILL WALKING FREE IN AMERICA THAT ARE TIED TO THESE EVENTS. THEY WANT ASSANGE TOO. THE WORLD CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THERE MUST BE TRUTH AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

IN THE REAL WORLD, ALWAYS CONSIDER HISTORY AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU. PERIOD.



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THIS MAN WAS ONE OF MY TEACHERS AND MY LEADER AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE. HE WAS A SMART MAN AND I AM GLAD THAT HE TAUGHT ME. THIS POST IS WRITTEN WITH HIM IN MIND:

CSM JAMES (STACY) ADAMS

"Unanswered Questions About a Military Leader's Sudden Death"

James Stacy "Rock" Adams, the senior enlisted leader of the scandal-scarred 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion


http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_052504_Galland,00.html


THIS MAN WAS A LEADER. AND HE WAS MORAL. HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS JUST. I LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. AND I THANK HIM FOR TEACHING ME WHAT HE DID.

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JUSTICE:

I KNOW ALL THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED. AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS. I LIVE IN IT. AND I KNOW WHEN I SEE EVIL. AND I SEE IT. THIS ENTIRE AFFAIR REEKS OF IT. IT HAS THAT STENCH TO IT.

TORTURE IS MORAL COWARDICE.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE FIRST. DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THIS IS VIA SWEDEN, ENGLAND, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

SAME FOR MANNING IN PRISON RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE NO MORAL AUTHORITY TO TRY HIM. THEY ARE MORAL COWARDS. IT MAKES NO SENSE THEY THEY CAN JUDGE HIM BECAUSE A MORAL COWARD JUDGES NOTHING CORRECTLY. MORAL COWARDS HAVE NO SENSE OF JUSTICE. AND THESE ARE ALL MORAL COWARDS.

IT IS WHAT THEY ARE. AND IT IS WHAT THE WORLD SEES. IT IS WHAT I SEE WITH MY OWN TWO EYES. SO IT IS TRUE.

PERIOD. I KNOW WHAT A COWARD IS. AND THESE ARE ALL COWARDS.
























Meanwhile.....The Progression continues......