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ancianita

(36,031 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 02:42 PM Feb 2023

Judge Michael Luttig On Donald Trump, Laurence Tribe, and the Law

“What Nixon did was just an ordinary crime,” Luttig says. “What Trump has done is quite arguably the worst crime against the United States that a president could commit.”
Luttig sees “ample evidence” of criminal activity and believes Trump will be indicted. But he has been judicious about not calling for an indictment. Instead, in his professorial manner, he’s been laying out the factors that he believes should be considered by Attorney General Merrick Garland (yet another close acquaintance, of course, from their time as federal judges).

When he posts them on social media, he’s come to expect that his friend, renowned liberal legal scholar Laurence Tribe, will retweet or reply with exactly what Luttig has been careful not to say — that Trump should be indicted. The ideological opposites struck up a correspondence, bonded by their mutual resolve that Trump is a threat to democracy, Tribe says. (They’re also working together on a multibillion-dollar tax case for Coca-Cola, where Luttig is a special adviser to the board.)
As Luttig sees it, the decision about indicting Trump should also take into account whether it would “split the nation,” given the certainty that Trump would put up a years-long fight against any charges and the worldwide “spectacle” that would ensue.

Even if an indictment never materializes, Luttig now believes the nation is ready to relegate Trump and Trumpism to irrelevancy. The former president’s political future was dealt triple blows, Luttig says, by his recent assertion that parts of the Constitution should be “terminated” to return him to office, the criminal referrals by the Jan. 6 committee and the failure of his favored candidates in the 2022 midterm elections. He calls it “the beginning of the end of Donald Trump.”

Still, he says, the mission of vanquishing Trump — and thus, in Luttig’s mind, saving American democracy — is not entirely complete. “Donald Trump has proven that the only thing that can stop him is the law,” he says.
But if there’s anything J. Michael Luttig places faith in, it’s the law.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2023/01/31/michael-luttig-judge-jan-6-trump-pence/



He's still watching Trump. Even Judge Luttig says that national upheaval might be the only valid reason (as was used by Ford re Nixon) for not indicting. Don't think Trump's not watching for any out he can get, no matter what damage it does to the country.

But all the more does Trump -- by his recent repost and endorsement of a violent "locked and LOADED" message (on TruthSocial) -- prove Luttig's earlier claim under oath that Trump and his allies are a clear and present danger.

So Smith & Garland probably would just as well suffer short term damage to the country than the even worse long term damage to rule of law, and the end of democracy, if they didn't indict.

Likely Smith & Garland will indict, and not just because Luttig and Tribe support Trump's indictment.



(Dang, can't believe he's younger than I. )





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Judge Michael Luttig On Donald Trump, Laurence Tribe, and the Law (Original Post) ancianita Feb 2023 OP
It may "split the nation"? FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #1
I hear you! ancianita Feb 2023 #3
I am referring to Luttig. FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #5
Okay, well... ancianita Feb 2023 #7
And so begins the justifications for not prosecuting treason or any of the other crimes Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #2
I disagree. I posted this because I've concluded that because Luttig's become friends with Tribe ancianita Feb 2023 #4
Exactly. FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #6
But you just said the opposite. ancianita Feb 2023 #8
everybody has an opinion on everything. republianmushroom Feb 2023 #9

FalloutShelter

(11,855 posts)
1. It may "split the nation"?
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:16 PM
Feb 2023

The nation is already divided!

"Luttig now believes the nation is ready to relegate Trump and Trumpism to irrelevancy."

Does he own a television set?
The MSM NEVER stops talking about him!

More quizling bullshit from someone who's position will exempt him from suffering any of the fallout from MAGA "governance".

ancianita

(36,031 posts)
3. I hear you!
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:22 PM
Feb 2023
More quizling bullshit from someone who's position will exempt him from suffering any of the fallout from MAGA "governance".

I hope you're referring to Trump and not Luttig.

FalloutShelter

(11,855 posts)
5. I am referring to Luttig.
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:32 PM
Feb 2023

He knows that Trump is a traitor and should be indicted, but his magical thinking about Trump somehow fading from prominence, is kind of a shoulder shrug from someone who holds a position of privilege.

As I said... the fallout from MAGA "governance" (if you can call it that), and the escalation of cruel policies from the right will never touch him.

Hence this sanguine... we can wait for justice... bullshit.

When these old white men of jurisprudence start acting up and speaking out... fully... and without reservation, is when I'll respect them.

NO beef with you... my beef is with them.


ancianita

(36,031 posts)
7. Okay, well...
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:53 PM
Feb 2023

I know your beef's not with me.

I can't agree that he's "magical thinking."
And I can't believe that what he's come to know about MAGA hasn't touched his legal side. Or he wouldn't have referred to them in his Jan 6 testimony. Remember what he took pains to say about them?

Donald Trump and allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy.

That’s not because of what happened on January 6. It’s because to this very day the former president, his allies and supporters, pledge that in the presidential election of 2024, if the former president or his anointed successor as the Republican Party presidential candidate were to lose that election, that they would attempt to overturn that 2024 election in the same way that they attempted to overturn the 2020 election, but succeed in 2024 where they failed in 2020.

I would have never spoken those words ever in my life except that that’s what the former president and his allies are telling us, as I said in that New York Times op ed wherein I was speaking about the Electoral Count Act of 1887. The former president and his allies are executing that blueprint for 2024 in open and plain view of the American public. I repeat, I would never have uttered one single one of those words unless the former president and his allies were candidly and proudly speaking those exact words to America.


He knows. Don't think because he's not seeming to watch what you watch, that he has not said publicly, under sworn testimony, the very thing you're talking about.

When these old white men of jurisprudence start acting up and speaking out... fully... and without reservation, is when I'll respect them.


I have to think your "quisling" is misplaced, because I know you know that he and Tribe are publicly speaking out and supporting everything Smith & Garland are doing. Smith & Garland are paying attention, imo.

And the rule of law constitutionalists will win against the Trumps, Jinpings, Kochs, Putins, and other MAGA authoritarians. That win of this yearslong massive constitutional war will not just win 2024 for us, not just be landmark, but live in human history. The world -- and even Davos Man -- is watching.



ancianita

(36,031 posts)
4. I disagree. I posted this because I've concluded that because Luttig's become friends with Tribe
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:28 PM
Feb 2023

-- working in the same law firm as Tribe -- that they are more in accord over indicting Trump because of their commitment as constitutional scholars to seeing rule of law prevail over sedition, treason, or any anti-democracy president.

That's what I got from Roig-Franzia's essay.

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