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Supreme Court to decide if gun bans for domestic abusers are constitutional (Nina Totenberg)
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1208501397/supreme-court-guns-domestic-abusers(7 min. audio at link)
Supreme Court to decide if gun bans for domestic abusers are constitutional
November 7, 2023 5:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
Nina Totenberg
The Supreme Court hears arguments Tuesday in a case that could invalidate the federal law barring guns for anyone who is the subject of a domestic violence court order. If the federal law falls, so would similar laws in most states, and other important gun laws.
[...]
The legal arguments
Former Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben, who was in charge of the Justice Department's criminal appeals docket for 24 years, says there is a good reason there is no precise analog from the 1700s.
"At the Founding, domestic violence was not considered to be a serious problem that warranted legal intervention. Women were viewed more or less as property of their husbands," he says. "The second feature of changed dynamics is that firearms are now the weapon of choice in domestic violence conflicts in a way that was not true at the founding." Those realities, the government argues, justify a more "nuanced" analog to the 1700s.
[...]
"The government is throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks," he says, adding that "the government is basically saying, 'We don't like this test... we want something else.'"
"If they cannot point to an analog, they're in trouble, Beard observes. "The statute is probably unconstitutional and presumptively is."
[...]
November 7, 2023 5:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
Nina Totenberg
The Supreme Court hears arguments Tuesday in a case that could invalidate the federal law barring guns for anyone who is the subject of a domestic violence court order. If the federal law falls, so would similar laws in most states, and other important gun laws.
[...]
The legal arguments
Former Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben, who was in charge of the Justice Department's criminal appeals docket for 24 years, says there is a good reason there is no precise analog from the 1700s.
"At the Founding, domestic violence was not considered to be a serious problem that warranted legal intervention. Women were viewed more or less as property of their husbands," he says. "The second feature of changed dynamics is that firearms are now the weapon of choice in domestic violence conflicts in a way that was not true at the founding." Those realities, the government argues, justify a more "nuanced" analog to the 1700s.
[...]
"The government is throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks," he says, adding that "the government is basically saying, 'We don't like this test... we want something else.'"
"If they cannot point to an analog, they're in trouble, Beard observes. "The statute is probably unconstitutional and presumptively is."
[...]
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Supreme Court to decide if gun bans for domestic abusers are constitutional (Nina Totenberg) (Original Post)
sl8
Nov 2023
OP
A well regulated militia of known domestic abusers would have the right to bear arms.
Freethinker65
Nov 2023
#1
its so insane to think that we should be beholden to gun attitudes from 300 years ago.
Blues Heron
Nov 2023
#3
Better idea.... anyone other than military or police can only own flintlock muskets.......
groundloop
Nov 2023
#6
Freethinker65
(10,107 posts)1. A well regulated militia of known domestic abusers would have the right to bear arms.
This Court will side with the domestic abusers.
Lovie777
(12,393 posts)2. Guns don't kill people....................
people kill people.......................
Guns are innocent!
What a load of uncaring for human life crap.
Blues Heron
(5,952 posts)3. its so insane to think that we should be beholden to gun attitudes from 300 years ago.
These supreme kooks on the right really are medieval in their mentality.
NotASurfer
(2,157 posts)4. Airplane's didn't exist 300 years ago either
So I guess we ground them all and disband the USAF?
Lonestarblue
(10,159 posts)5. Yep. And let's get rid of cars, too. Back to horse and buggy days?
I think the internet also has to go, along with anything developed after 1780.
groundloop
(11,534 posts)6. Better idea.... anyone other than military or police can only own flintlock muskets.......
Which was the state of gun technology when 2A was conceived.
NotASurfer
(2,157 posts)7. We'll all be living in an Amish Paradise
Apologies for putting that song in your head