It's a good thing women won't date Trump voters
It's a good thing women won't date Trump votersNow the Washington Post has joined a campaign to shame women for having the bare minimum "no Trump voters" standard
By AMANDA MARCOTTE
Senior Writer
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 28, 2023 6:00AM (EST)
(Salon) It's an amusing truth that comes up with regularity: Men who love Donald Trump struggle on the dating market. This is neither surprising nor regrettable. Supporting Trump is much like refusing to bathe, blowing your nose in your hands or farting loudly on purpose. It's a repugnant habit that makes you repulsive to normal people. The whole point of dating and marriage is to find happiness, not to spend the rest of one's days suffering in silence while the racist you live with cackles over Greg Gutfeld's latest hateful diatribe disguised as "comedy."
This should be common sense. Yet our sexist culture remains too enamored by stories of female self-sacrifice to accept that it's just fine if Trump voters never get laid. Even people who really should know better have taken to bullying liberal women for their refusal to date male Trump voters. "If attitudes dont shift, a political dating mismatch will threaten marriage," declared a recent headline of a Washington Post column by the editorial board. To make it even grosser, the op-ed was published the day before Thanksgiving, as if to arm "concerned" relatives who planned to spend the holiday pestering single women at dinner over when they will get serious about finding a husband.
In this unsigned essay, the authors fret that the "ideological divide" between young men and women is preventing Gen Z who range in age from 9 to 27 from getting married. Women under 30 are far more likely to be liberal than men, who are far more likely to identify as conservative. Citing data showing Democratic voters generally refuse to date Trump voters, the Post editors argue that people should be more willing to date across party lines, and learn to appreciate "alternative perspectives that may at first seem odd or offensive."
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Marrying a Trump voter isn't just a matter of minor political differences, or expecting someone to be exactly like yourself. For women, in particular, it's about being able to be safe and respected inside your own home, which is a very minimum standard all people deserve. Voting for Trump means backing a man who has been accused of sexual assault by two dozen women, and who a judge and jury deemed responsible for rape. It means backing the man who repeatedly brags about how he got Roe v. Wade overturned. In addition, the MAGA media consumed by most Republicans is hardly neutral on the question of sexism. They are all for it, from the tired sexist jokes on Fox News to bizarre internet trends like "tradwives." For a woman, marrying a Trump supporter isn't about being with someone who has different views on tax rates. It's bringing someone into your home who ascribes to an ideology in which you are not fully human. .................(more)
https://www.salon.com/2023/11/28/its-a-good-thing-women-wont-date/
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)Conservative men want a captive breeder for food and sex. That deal's not so available anymore.
Chi67
(1,067 posts)Most of us gay men won't date Trumpers either. Because...well that would be insane. And trust me- gay Trumpers do exist.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)The profound cognitive dissonance of an LGBTQ+ person supporting ANY Republican, let alone Trump, blows my mind. But Im acquainted with two gay men- one is a gentleman the other an ass- who both support Trump. Weird.
Its similar to women who support Trump. To me, it doesnt make any sense. As Ms. Marcotte points out in her Salon article:
For a woman, marrying a Trump supporter isn't about being with someone who has different views on tax rates. It's bringing someone into your home who ascribes to an ideology in which you are not fully human.
Not that it matters but isnt George Santos gay? Of course, hes a complete fraud.
PaulnFortWorth
(59 posts)There are so many reasons not to. tRump supporters TEND to HATE whoever they are encouraged to hate by fox news, newsmax and other right-wing entities. Also, include Jews, Muslims, or anybody non-Christian.
Marriage is about LOVE, not Hate. And if your life is about hating, then loving somebody gets dangerously complicated. How about a republican guy who owns three rifles including an AR-15? Would he be considered prime dating material?
Women influence our society in a very helpful manner: they decide who to breed with. That is an important reason why America is so attractive to people around the world. Women in America are not sent to a "period hut" like India.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57335518
If I were single I wouldn't date a Trump supporter. My wife though is a single issue voter... Healthcare. I don't see her voting Republican any time soon in the future. Me however I'll only consider thinking about voting for Trump when I'm pushing up daisies.
niyad
(113,336 posts)you consider cross-posting this in Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.
So it isn't enough that we have no bodily autonomy? Now the control extends even to our social lives? Once again, it is all about controlling women. One of the underlying ideas here is that enough white babies are not being produced, so let us force the situation. FUCK wapo.
(and, unsigned. They dare not put their names to this WOMAN-HATING BS)
niyad
(113,336 posts)images? I am thinking of one that circulated here for a time, guy was, shall we say, not svelte, almost naked, tats, sprawled out.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,266 posts)NNadir
(33,525 posts)It's Aristophanes play wherein women refuse to have sex with men until they stop fighting the Peloponnedian War.
DFW
(54,403 posts)A woman can and should decide quite on her own whom she dates, sleeps with and marries. If she decides that a man who supports someone with Trumps stated and demonstrated values is not for her, who the hell is some (frustrated?) Post op-ed writer to tell her shes wrong?
If a majority of women in DC find Trump abhorrent, its only logical that they would find a man who agrees with Trumps values equally abhorrent. If these guys think Trump is so great, let them seek out women who agree with them. If there are none to be found, and that doesnt tell them something, let them go whine on the op-ed pages of the local paper in Biloxi, and then move there if and when scores of attractive Trump-supporting women make their masochistic identities and desires known.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)because it says something about who we are. How would I decide how to raise a child with someone if we can't agree on feeding the poor and waging war or peace?
My husband and I love to debate politics--I know people who have to avoid such discussions with their spouses. i can't even imagine.
This was before being Republican meant you were a fascist. Now it's time to get serious. They're trying to take everything away from the rest of us, potentially commit mass murder, and destroy the planet. I'm not going to be civil about that.
Methinks the Post writer is a frustrated Republican who has no clue about women or what is going on in the world. Maybe he's in the wrong line of work.
DFW
(54,403 posts)Rightopen-minded about dating guys who are anything but!
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)For the overall national gene pool.
JohnnyRingo
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LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)Conservatives are a generally frustrated and hateful tribe. Good luck with that.
Liberals like some joy and optimism in life.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)it's back in reality where they run into trouble
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)Conservatives believe our best days are behind us, mostly because they misremember the past and don't want to talk about the bad stuff.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)yardwork
(61,649 posts)I am astounded at this drivel.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/22/marriage-polarization-dating-trump/
chouchou
(633 posts)..my male acquaintances, who are liberal, wouldn't touch a republican woman to date.
I've asked them about the subject. Most use words like "Not that bright, kinda' phony, money grabber, shallow"
In short, the pendulum swings both ways.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)Many MAGA women are trashy. And the educated professional ones tend to look down on lower income workers.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)You would have to be to vote for trash like Drump.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Next the will be telling us that we are somehow obligated to at least service these disgusting individuals because they need love too.
I can just hear it coming out in the next screed.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)And yes, I use the word "hatred" intentionally. Because the evidence for hatred smacks women in the head every hour of every damn day.
nevergiveup
(4,762 posts)My mother was an FDR Democrat and an election judge and my father was a small businessman Eisenhower Republican. Every time they voted they would cancel each others votes and I do remember one time when dad was laughing about it but I never once heard them argue politics. They lived happily together for almost 60 years.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)I like to call it "my Grandpa's Republican Party."
Everything started to change with Nixon... then it really spiralled downward with Reagan, Newt Gingrich, Dubya, Cheney, yadda, yadda. We all know what happened after that.
mwb970
(11,360 posts)I was SURE that Reagan would forever remain the worst president of my lifetime. BOY was I wrong!!
There is a straight line pointing downward through w bush and Palin and ending at the very bottom with the impossibly vile trump.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Grokenstein
(5,725 posts)No matter how hard rightwankers try to convince us that's all it is.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)A man who supports Trump is someone who I would have nothing in common. Ditto for most Republicans.
Life's too short to be fighting over a POS like Trump.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)If this OpEd were in the NYT this thread would be full of them.
Maybe no one has WaPo subscriptions?
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... I subscribe to both. If anyone wants to read the WaPo article first hand, here is a link, no paywall: https://wapo.st/46uryms
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)it's my local paper. Despite this idiotic rage bait OpEd, they do have some decent reporting on other issues.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)They bemoan the mis-match of Gen Z women and men because the men are "more conservative.". The issue isn't dating a conservative. It's dating a Trump voter. There's a big difference.
DFW
(54,403 posts)They can hijack it all they want, but they can't hijack the meaning of the word.
Just like their phony "Christians:" going inside a church every Sunday doesn't make you a Christian any more than going inside a garage every Sunday makes you a car.
TeamProg
(6,139 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,980 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)one reason why red-states are completely set against a woman's right of choice regarding abortion?
These MAGAt incels will resort to rape to satisfy their reptilian carnal urges, and right-wing courts wouldn't want a woman to have any say about bringing that highly tainted fetus to term?
I sincerely doubt that's their main concern about abortion, but it just might be an ancillary reason for their total disregard for a woman's right to choose.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)They want to date jail bait, permanent teeth just starting to come in.
So they hang around the fundagelical churches, hoping to find one with really stupid parents and who they can groom into a barely legal marriage with parental consent.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,486 posts)If a man adores the brazen, blatant liar and isn't bothered by his mountains of lies, then he's almost certainly a liar. If she dates him, he'll lie to her, but WaPo wants her to date the liar. Apparently WaPo thinks that dating liars is a good way to find a good relationship, or at least you should give it a try.
If a man adores the brazen, blatant racist, then he's almost certainly a racist too. If she dates him, he'll be racist with her and her friends, but WaPo wants her to date the racist who will hate her black and brown friends and embarrass her to her non-racist friends. My God, WaPo, have you lost your mind? Or only your morals?
If a man adores the misogynist , serial rapist and molester, and is quite happy with the grab-'em-by-the-pussy guy, then he's almost certainly a misogynist who will consider it his right to molest her and grab her by the pussy. My God, WaPo, you have definitely lost your morals and probably your mind too.
WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate "alternative perspectives that may at first seem odd or offensive." Apparently WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate liars because lying only seems odd or offensive "at first," but you'll get used to it and appreciate it.
WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate racism, because it only seems odd and offensive "at first," but you'll get used to it and appreciate it.
WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate misogyny, rape, and molestation, because they'll only seem odd and offensive "at first" until you get used to them and appreciate them.
WaPo thinks that refusing to date men who adore lying, racism, and rape is a serious threat to marriage. I think that WaPo is a serious threat to women.
How far you've fallen, WaPo.
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)Deja vu. Was it early nineties? Late 1980s? when they came out with the "an unmarried woman over 35 is more likely to be struck by lightning than find a husband" or whatever trumped up statistics/pseudo-science was their purported basis for the "women gotta settle" message that time.
Ties right in with the Repuke/MRA/incel mindset of "we've got to limit women's options to access good education/careers and control their bodies so that they'll be forced to tie themselves via marriage to low-quality men like us"
slightlv
(2,818 posts)And ridiculous, I have to wonder if they made it up out of whole cloth just to create controversy and sell newspapers! Why didn't they also flip the coin..... Most liberal Men won't have anything to do with Maga women, either. The whole thing is just so inane.
If it wasn't just to brew up controversy, then the editors need to get their heads out of their butts. We have rip roaring political debates in this house, but most center about the degree TO which Maga and Trump should be punished. My brother is a one issue conservative (guns) and I learned from early childhood on I could never marry anyone that even resembles him. He actually found someone but she's so submissive both my sister and I can find nothing in common with her. Mom tried for years and even she gave up on finding common cause.
calimary
(81,304 posts)THAT'S how they see us?
Well, FUCK That!
Every day, every bit of exposure I have to stuff like this, the more grateful I am that I found the guy I did (and that he found me)! We're a very good and very compatible match. Thank goodness!
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... no paywall. https://wapo.st/46uryms
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)they are quite trashy and unpleasant
spooky3
(34,457 posts)self-help books are sold to try to tell them what must be changed in order to be good enough.
But if male Trumpers have trouble attracting people, then women are scolded for being too close-minded, or worse.
I wonder why that is....
What's next, scolding people of color for not being best friends with people who hate them and see them as second class citizens?
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... no paywall. Might want to take a first hand look at it.
https://wapo.st/46uryms
raising2moredems
(639 posts)nary a one of them deserve a significant other. And we should all hope like Hades none of them manages to reproduce. Women no longer have to "settle". We can take care of our selves just fine thank-u-very-much. AND we don't need magats IF we choose to parent a child. Independent, self-reliant women are wing nuts worst nightmare. We do *NOT* have to "settle".
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)opinions, it's about a woman being expected to marry and perhaps have children with someone who is astoundingly stupid. That's never been a good choice.
IbogaProject
(2,816 posts)I'm laughing and hope this plus higher GOP COVID deaths and public sentiments move the electorate to the left rapidly. Not a little but a regrowth of progressive political and social change.
mwb970
(11,360 posts)Nothing good can possibly come from such a self-destructive move.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)No, they aren't real. They are the result of propaganda manufactured rage and hate. Since Noot Gangrenous ran the house the dialogue has turned from "how can we make the US a better place for everyone" to "how can we demonize everyone that questions our twisted perception of reality."
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)gay texan
(2,453 posts)"This mismatch means that someone will need to compromise."
Fuck you. I will not comprimise.