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Jilly_in_VA

(11,875 posts)
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:05 PM 21 hrs ago

The terrible idea that led to REAL ID

It’s been 20 years since Congress passed one of the most onerous, useless and constitutionally dubious pieces of legislation in modern history. The so-called REAL ID Act comes into force today, and if your driver’s license isn’t REAL ID-compliant and you don’t have some other form of government-approved identity card, you won’t be able to board a domestic flight unless you’re willing to go through as-yet unspecified extra steps.

At its core, the mentality behind REAL ID is that every American is a potential airline terrorist first and a citizen of the Republic a very distant second. Who do we have to thank for this terrible idea? The 9/11 Commission. In fact, it was one of its core recommendations.

As the commission noted in its final July 2004 report, “All but one of the 9/11 hijackers acquired some form of U.S. identification document, some by fraud. Acquisition of these forms of identification would have assisted them in boarding commercial flights, renting cars, and other necessary activities.”

In response, the commission recommended that the federal government “should set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as drivers licenses.” The report noted: “Fraud in identification documents is no longer just a problem of theft. At many entry points to vulnerable facilities, including gates for boarding aircraft, sources of identification are the last opportunity to ensure that people are who they say they are and to check whether they are terrorists.”

But that entire notion is refuted by the fact that the most effective last-ditch protection against bad actors among the public boarding an aircraft is physical screening of the passengers and their luggage.

I’m not aware of a single post-9/11 incident in which an actual terrorist — such as the so-called shoe bomber or the “underwear bomber” — boarded an aircraft with a fake ID. Yet those two made it aboard aircraft with explosive or incendiary devices that could’ve brought down the planes they were on and killed all aboard. TSA’s struggle with passenger screening technologies and procedures is well-known and represents a far bigger safety issue than determining who is boarding a given aircraft.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/real-id-useless-raises-constitutional-questions-freedom-travel-rcna204996

REAL ID, as the article goes on to note, treats every American as a potential terrorist, which is what the TSA already does. And I don't have mine because I can't find one crucial document---my Mexican divorce statement. I also don't have my passport because of that.

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The terrible idea that led to REAL ID (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA 21 hrs ago OP
Next, you will need real ID to vote. Walleye 21 hrs ago #1
Change your name to what's on your bc. gab13by13 21 hrs ago #2
OMG Jilly_in_VA 21 hrs ago #3
The erosion of the Constitution goes back to the Patriot Act. Flatrat 19 hrs ago #4
Jilly... I have great empathy for you. slightlv 18 hrs ago #5
I've had to jump through hoops vankuria 2 hrs ago #6

Walleye

(40,001 posts)
1. Next, you will need real ID to vote.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:08 PM
21 hrs ago

I’m really tired of this un-American guilty until proven innocent mentality that’s going on now. According to them, millions of Social Security recipients are committing fraud. Show us some of it, prove it , dammit accusations are cheap

Jilly_in_VA

(11,875 posts)
3. OMG
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:13 PM
21 hrs ago

Changing your name is SUCH a headache. One of my friends did it and it took her almost a year to get everything straight.

Flatrat

(167 posts)
4. The erosion of the Constitution goes back to the Patriot Act.
Thu May 8, 2025, 03:41 PM
19 hrs ago

We can thank Shrub Bush, Darth Cheney, and Joe Lieberman for that.

We can also thank the Republican and Democratic parties for their panicky hive minds.

slightlv

(5,456 posts)
5. Jilly... I have great empathy for you.
Thu May 8, 2025, 04:19 PM
18 hrs ago

I *think* I finally got through all the hoops to get mine. I was waiting a certified copy of my last marriage license. The original one has white out on it, so it wasn't accepted. I've been two years trying to get this accomplished, pulling my hair out the whole time. At first it was my divorce decree... and I happened to find the one page they needed to copy. How in the world I held on to it all this time, I have no idea. I've been through so many cross country and in-city moves since then, keeping track of anything is a minor miracle!

This did finally make the news roundup I get on my phone, tho... and it was headlined correctly -- that it's hugely a woman's problem, and an even bigger problem for the elderly. I firmly believe at some point they're going to require the Real ID in order to vote. I've not heard anything about that, but it's one more way repugs could winnow out voters... especially voters who don't vote repug, like a good portion of women. That bit of intuition caused me enough of a scare to become a fixture at the DMV over the last two months. Now, I'm waiting to see if it gets here via the mail. Our mail is on such an unreliable schedule, and I've had pieces go missing before. It's just one more thing that used to be "no biggee" here in the U.S., which now is just another everyday headache.

Good luck, Jilly... As much trouble as I had with South Texas in getting my document, I really feel for you having to try to get one from another country. I know the frustration levels involved.

vankuria

(952 posts)
6. I've had to jump through hoops
Fri May 9, 2025, 08:54 AM
2 hrs ago

I was born in the 50’s and while I have my original birth certicate I was told it’s “invalid” because it doesn’t have a raised “seal”, so I go to Bureau of vital statistics and for $30 get a new one. Now because I moved in September I don’t have the same address nor do I have my original last name. I’m divorced and don’t have my marriage certificate but I bring my divorce papers and I’m told it’s not an original so not acceptable, next I show my tax returns to show my new address but that wasn’t accepted either and the fact that my social security number is blocked out except for the last 4 numbers. I’m 70 yrs old and shouldn’t have to be going through this obstacle course just to get a “real ID”, damn!

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