This Quora answer NAILS ICE and those attracted to it:
Not my answer, it was written by Kristan Overstreet on Quora:
https://www.quora.com/profile/Kristan-Overstreet
Do you agree that ICE agents are just normal everyday people that are trying to do their jobs in order to bring food to the family table and keep a roof over their heads?
No.
My father, after a failed semester in college, graduated from a police academy and served, at various times, on a couple of police forces. His experience (which he characterized as making minimum wage plus a nickel to wear a shiny target right over my heart) fueled this advice to me, which he gave when I was still a bit too young to understand the full ramifications.
Son, I want you to remember two things: first, never trust a cop; second, do every damn thing they say. The badge attracts the kind of (sexually explicit epithet) who gets his jollies by making other peoples lives a living hell.
That was in the mid-1980s, and it referred to police officers with half a years training, at one of the few times in American history when we got halfway serious about trying to rein in police abuses.
In 2002, in response to the September 11 attacks, ICE was created as a special police force to round up foreigners in the US. It had been a right-wing wish list item for over a decade beforehand, but civil liberties activists had, until then, managed to prevent Congress from making it happen. Thanks to anti-Islamic paranoia and a Bush administration which would go on to make torture official government policy, the civil liberties people lost the fight, and ICE was created.
And let us be perfectly blunt: from the very beginning, ICE was intended to be a white supremacist organization with no accountability and nearly infinite powers. By its very nature it was intended to attract exactly the kind of person my father tried to warn me about- the sadists, the bullies, the undercover Klansmen. They were restrained by one thing and one thing only- the need of their bosses and their political superiors to pretend that racism had nothing to do whatever with immigration policy.
Then came Trump, who made it both politically and socially acceptable to be openly white supremacist again.
Today, in attempts to hit the purge goals set by the Trump administration, new ICE recruits are going straight from signing the paperwork to the front lines. Many of them have been repeatedly rejected b police departments and military services for incompetence or bad attitudes. There is no background check. There is no training. There is, at most, a questionnaire in which the most important feature is not training in law enforcement or public safety, but rather loyalty to Donald John Trump.
This is a group of men with nigh absolute power, made up of people who have waited all their lives to have power so they can abuse it, backed by superiors who want to see violence, chaos, and fear. And their orders from the top are loud and clear: haul in as many brown people as possible, legal or not, foreigners or citizens, elderly or children, and make Examples of them. Create a situation so horrible that people fleeing brutal regimes or organized crime will fear the United States more than they fear drug lords or dictators.
These people were hired to be evil, and the people who apply are applying specifically for the opportunity to be evil.
People seeking an honest living do not join ICE.
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orangecrush
(29,505 posts)stage left
(3,252 posts)ICE should never have existed in the first place. Abolish ICE!
Buddyzbuddy
(2,350 posts)Since then, once verbally at the age of 50, racist pos. BTW, his patrol partner apologized on their behalf.
But, I don't hate cops, they have a tough job to do and become targets of hate the moment the uniform is put on.
While I don't hate them I do think law enforcement needs to be held to account for immoral and illegal behavior and they must undergo a strict screening process including in depth background checks as well as extensive training beyond use of weapons and self defense.
I think the police unions have been beneficial to law enforcement as well as a detriment. When one officer is found guilty of a crime it reflects badly on the good officers, most of the time, unjustly.
I think when union's run by veteran officers for officers it should have some skin in the game. Maybe a financial liability on behalf of officers that are convicted of serious crimes escalating with the seriousness of the crime. Often bad officers have been fired or allowed to resign for bad conduct only to be rehired at a different location. Those unions and departments should be held liable to a higher degree. If you as that employer believes that officer deserves a 2nd or more chances then they should share in the risk with the public that is at risk. I've heard mention of liability insurance for bad conduct. You might say other unions aren't held to the same degree and I say, other unions members aren't licensed to kill in defense of life.
I have just as much "right" to kill in defense of life as any officer but in the real world I would never be treated the same, either in investigation, prosecution or punishment.
This should be for all LEO'S. From the Feds on down.
Anyway, just my humble onion.
patphil
(8,862 posts)At least we won't have to separate the good ICE agents from the bad ICE agents when we take the government back. They're all bad; the worst of the worst.
No decent person would stay in that job, only the ones who like to hurt people.
