'Trump Isn't Mentally Ill; He's Evil'
"Dear public figures, media folks, and journalists, please do not suggest that President Donald Trump is crazy. It is not helpful and, in fact, it is hurtful... not to him but the rest of us."
"There are two main reasons for this request. First, calling Trump crazy is harmful to people who have a mental health condition or who have loved ones with a mental illness; second, it is inaccurate and leads to a serious misunderstanding of the man, his behavior, and its origins and consequences."
"Unfortunately, there are a lot of unfair, hurtful, and false seterotypes of the mentally ill that are propagated and repeated over and over again in our society. For instance, media figures and journalists often describe perpetrators of violence as mentally ill. Generally speaking, this is not true. Study after study points out the the mentally ill, in fact, are not violent. Indeed, they are more likely to be the victims of violence than perpetrators of it. Most people with mental health diagnoses are law-abiding contributing members of society. Epidemiological research indicates that 97% of those with mental illness do not commit violent acts."
"Nor are the mentally ill immoral. It is somewhat commonplace to find public figures, journalists, and other 'experts' express that a person who commits a horribly immoral act must be mentally ill. This is a faulty presumption. Mental illness does not necessarily affect moral reasoning or understanding. It is pretty common to hear or read that those whose behaviors are irrational, unpredictable, or erratic must have a mental health condition. This, also, is a harmful and erroneous stereotype. After all, irrational thinking is pretty common. We are all irrational some of the time and in some situations. and also rational and predictable in others. Irrational thoughts are completely normal. Researchers sometimes point out that some kinds of mental illness may include a deficit in common sense or deviations from social norms but not a deficit in logical thought or 'reason.' "
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https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/trump-evil-not-crazy
no_hypocrisy
(55,331 posts)murielm99
(33,076 posts)My mother was both. Everyone in the family knew it.
no_hypocrisy
(55,331 posts)Dark triad
sop
(19,234 posts)PatSeg
(53,497 posts)Clearly he IS both evil and insane.
TBF
(37,121 posts)in real estate circles as being a jerk. So much so that people didn't want to do deals w/him. He's always been like this, and now I think even beyond crazy/evil he is aging. I've seen it with both in-laws and parents once they get to their 80s (sometimes earlier depending upon medical issues). Sometimes they carry conversations fine and sound completely normal, then there are moments where they've backtracked in time and are speaking as though they are in the past, and other times where they say things that are completely off the wall. I guess that is dementia, to varying degrees.
Most people in this condition are being looked after by family, neighbors, care-givers - maybe moving to assisted living or nursing homes as it worsens. Trump should not be running a country. His family and colleagues are doing him a great disservice (not to mention the effect it's having not only on this country, but the world).
Goonch
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1WorldHope
(2,136 posts)But, I am starting to suspect he is doing more acting like he is losing it while he is plotting more and more evil. I agree with the poster. Mental illness and age have suddenly become fair game to be blamed for everything. Thank God everyone who experiences a mental illness does not act like this asshole! If we ever get through this we will have to start all over with teaching respectful speech, what MAGA despises.
slightlv
(7,933 posts)of what the word "civility" means and entails. Don't think of leaving it one institution, like the Church or the School, or even just to the parents. Civility must be first and foremost at all times, if we're going to redeem even a small number of the magas who might be reprogrammed. That's gonna be the hard part. Sometimes, I think it might be a good think to drop prozac or something into the water supplies of the country. Anything to get people to start acting "normal" again. And yes, I'm indeed worried about that word "normal"... I fear it's lost all meaning by now.
1WorldHope
(2,136 posts)Or, let's just legalize weed. Mellow the fuck out and throw your hate into the burn barrel.
slightlv
(7,933 posts)in one of the few states which still treats it like it's the worst thing you could put in your body... and the original cause of all Sin.
FakeNoose
(42,351 posts)That's what I dislike about discussions of "evil."
Many of us don't have the same religious background, and as a result we get tangled up in word definitions. On DU I've made a few jokes about Chump being the "anti-Christ," however I don't think anyone took me literally. (If anyone did take my jokes literally, I apologize. They were stupid jokes.)
I believe that a forum such as DU needs to keep the conversation free from religious references. We have plenty to talk about and share with each other without dragging God, Satan, Jesus, the Bible, or evil into it. I respect everyone's personal religious background, and I feel that we need to keep it private, most of the time. It's not relevant to political discussions, most of the time.
1WorldHope
(2,136 posts)I looked it up.
"Excellent non-religious synonyms for evil include nefarious (villainous actions), pernicious (highly harmful), malevolent (wishing harm), sinister (threatening), and depraved (corrupt). These words convey deep immorality or harmful intent without referring to divine transgression." (Sorry that I was lazy and copied Google AI)
3catwoman3
(29,760 posts)slightlv
(7,933 posts)probably constitutes a religious connotation for a great many people. But even with thesaurus related substitutes, I don't see one that can completely embrace what we see with trump and his minions. Maybe because I've been out of mainstream religion for so many decades now, but the word evil, to me, speaks of something so sickeningly wrong internally with a person that there are no qualities the person could possess that would mediate what he does. If I truly think about the word, it's less a religious term than a deep metaphysical word to me. Something that was here before civilization, before religion, maybe. And I do believe there is a neurological component... like different parts of the brain are not just "right"... that there are major differences in either brain structure, synapses, etc. between truly "evil" people and those who are "normal" but having a really bad day with others. We see elements of these in people with dementia and alzheimers. Personality traits that have never been part of their visible word until they get past a certain age or brain diminution. I'd hate to think I'm one of the only ones out there that don't necessarily see the word as a component of a religion... but then again, I've been out on limbs by myself before... so it wouldn't be the first time! (LOL)
FakeNoose
(42,351 posts)Also a licensed attorney would never charge Chump with being "evil" or acting "evilly."
Why? because this is a subjective word that is loaded with emotional context. I think that was the point I was making. I'm neither a lawyer nor a doctor, but I appreciate the careful, professional manner that most of us adopt towards one another when communicating on DU.
sop
(19,234 posts)"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it." - Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, from his 1964 concurring opinion in the obscenity case Jacobellis v. Ohio
slightlv
(7,933 posts)Which is why so many of us relate to "trump is evil, personified." I'd say we see him (and the word) reflective of the world in which we reside most often, perhaps. Dark Triad is often used to describe him in the clinical sense. But that means nothing to a large majority of people.
I think we lose touch with others when what we have to say needs to be so much on point that we lose that point with all the words used instead of the one, hard-hitting word that everyone understands what it means - in one way, or another. "Defund the police" was never about doing away with police forces across the U.S. But we used all the words we meant for it to be, and got our clocks cleaned with one easy to understand phrase.
As I've gotten older, and even more cynical, I tend to try to use fewer words in saying something... writing not withstanding!
eppur_se_muova
(42,441 posts)BaronChocula
(4,718 posts)I've been using that line pretty regularly since then.
Roc2020
(1,793 posts)I only hope I'm alive to see the results when that same evil is 100% returned on him. I think it's already begun.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,616 posts)It's perfectly possible to be both.
NNadir
(38,525 posts)...schizophrenic individuals, physiological brain disease often potentiate the intrinsic nature of personality.
The Orange Pedophile was always an evil person, but his dementia and other aspects of his neurological state exacerbate the intrinsic evil and general incompetence.
Efilroft Sul
(4,461 posts)His desire to do willful harm to as many people as possible, even to those who foolishly consider themselves loyal to him, is all I need to know him for what he is.
BWdem4life
(3,083 posts)despite the fact that it's been legally adjudicated to be true.
LudwigPastorius
(14,982 posts)
Grins
(9,512 posts)Who gets off hurting others.
Google: Dr. John Gartner, MD
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,191 posts)But even narcissistic PSYCHOPATHS get dementia. They just get meaner, nastier, more defensive, their lies are less crafty, BUT they are still evil to the core. I saw this with a family member.
Kid Berwyn
(25,021 posts)Ask, if only we could, Jeffrey Epstein, who said about his bestie:
I have met some very bad people, none as bad as Trump. Not one decent cell in his body.
littlemissmartypants
(34,293 posts)1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior
ShazzieB
(22,855 posts)Or it used to. Unfortunately for him, the loss of inhibition caused by encroaching dementia is eroding his ability to appear outwardly benevolent, behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives, and fake normal human emotions and empathy. That means his evil nature is always on full display in a way it wasn't in the past.
Sucks to be you, Don Boy!
ShazzieB
(22,855 posts)If this writer actually believes they are, I have some swampland for sale, cheap. Also a bridge in New York and a big, shiny building in Chicago with the word TRUMP plastered all over it.
ImNotGod
(1,204 posts)BaronChocula
(4,718 posts)But he DOESN'T disprove that he's mentally ill. Not one bit. I understand the concern for harm to those living with mental illness, but his solution here is akin to arguing that 'rain isn't wet, it's hydrating.'
Though It would be good to hear from an authority if evil is possible without some form of mental illness behind it.
Ocelot II
(131,181 posts)And Trump is evidence that both conditions can exist in one person. He is not normal, not even slightly. He's a whole festering ball of personality disorders, DSM-V all condensed and shoveled into one person; and some personality disorders cause people to behave very badly. Since he has almost all of them, epic badness is to be expected. He's not a classic schizophrenic; he doesn't really think he's Jesus, for example; only that he's just as good as and as worthy of worship as Jesus. I don't think he could be persuaded to walk on the newly-"improved" reflecting pool once it's filled or try to turn one overcooked hamburger into meals for the multitudes; he doesn't think he's the original miracle-doing Jesus. He just loves it that MAGA thinks he's Jesus-like because he's a megalomaniac and a narcissist. He's completely self-absorbed and doesn't care who he's talking to as long as he knows someone is listening, which is why he saw nothing peculiar about talking to small children about Iran's nuclear weapons. He's all transmit and no receive, and he saw the children only as receivers for his transmissions. They could have been anybody with ears. He's a total solipsist, meaning that to him other human beings with minds and emotions and needs and agency don't exist, so he will do bad things on the regular because he's interested only in himself and other people are just tools for him to manipulate. None of that is normal, and it's the merger of mad and bad.