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BridgeTheGap

(3,615 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:34 AM Jun 2013

Why Obama Can't Undo the Surveillance Society, but We Can

President Obama, taking a smart political tack in the uproar following several explosive disclosures on NSA domestic spying practices, said he was all in favor of a vigorous public debate—that it would be a “healthy” thing. But calling for a public debate is one thing; actually doing anything to facilitate a truly open discussion, much less acting on what such a discussion might reveal, is quite another.

Today, the New York Times, in a news/analysis article, essentially declared that there was no hope for any kind of restraint of growing government spying on the public. Not if it is up to the people’s representatives.

The Times noted that secrecy rules will prevent robust and open discussion in Congress. It also pointed out that Republicans will mostly stay in line with their traditional allies in the intelligence services—and that Democrats will too, both because they will want to show they did the right thing in voting to authorize the Patriot Act and other relevant legislation, and because during this round, the leader is Obama, a Democrat.

But that’s just the beginning of the difficulties in the way of achieving reform of our incipient surveillance state. The Times goes on to say:

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/11/why-obama-cannot-undo-the-surveillance-society-but-we-can/

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Why Obama Can't Undo the Surveillance Society, but We Can (Original Post) BridgeTheGap Jun 2013 OP
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #1
nothing incipient about it... n/t nebenaube Jun 2013 #2
+1 blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #5
kicked nt SoapBox Jun 2013 #3
Excellent essay. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #4
Is there any way we can flood them with worthless crap, thereby making ii less effective? tavalon Jun 2013 #6
It already is. creon Jun 2013 #7
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
5. +1
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jun 2013

The Surveillance State is in full, bipartisan bloom.

Just because we've been repeatedly lied to about it, does not make it "new."

creon

(1,183 posts)
7. It already is.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jun 2013

Most of what they have is 'worthless crap'.

"information' that has no intelligence value.
What little there is of intelligence value is hidden in a sea of 'worthless crap'.

That is a good reason NOT to collect the data.

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