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alp227

(32,048 posts)
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 04:29 PM Jul 2013

Former MSNBC producer: MSNBC hosts "won't tell you" when Obama's lying

Wow. Jeff Cohen, founder of FAIR.org and former producer of the MSNBC Phil Donahue show, has this explosive article on Alternet, excerpt:

Sadly, these days, often when I see President Obama moving his lips, I assume he’s lying. Like Nixon, our current president is prolonging an endless, borderless and counter-productive war (“on terror”) and waging a parallel war against “national security” leakers that makes the plumbers’ burglary of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office look almost quaint.

The World War I vintage Espionage Act, originally used to imprison socialists for making antiwar speeches, has been used by the administration against whistleblowers with a vengeance unprecedented in history: eight leakers have been charged with Espionage under Obama, compared to three under all previous presidents.

The Obama administration has prosecuted not a single CIA torturer, but has imprisoned a CIA officer who talked about torture with a journalist. National Security Agency official Thomas Drake, who was unable to get abuses fixed internally, now has a criminal record for communicating with a reporter years ago about sweeping domestic surveillance.

So there I was watching Obama’s lips move about NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at a June 27 press conference. Saying he wouldn’t be “scrambling military jets to go after a 29-year-old hacker,” Obama added that he would not “start wheeling and dealing and trading on a whole host of other issues, simply to get a guy extradited.” I didn’t believe a word of it. Given Obama’s war on whistleblowers and journalists who utilize them, and given the Army’s abusive treatment of military whistleblower Bradley Manning (apparently aimed at getting him to implicate WikiLeaks), it’s inconceivable that Obama was truly blasé about Snowden. To deter future whistleblowers, Snowden would have to be caught and made an example of – and probably mistreated (like Manning, in hopes of getting him to turn against WikiLeaks and even journalist Glenn Greenwald).


MSNBC often seems closer to the “official network of the Obama White House” than anything resembling an independent channel. With a few exceptions (especially Chris Hayes), MSNBC has usually reacted to expanded militarism and surveillance by downplaying the abuses or defending them. Had McCain or Romney defeated Obama and implemented the exact same policies, treating whistleblowers like Manning and Snowden as foreign espionage agents, one would expect MSNBC hosts to be loudly denouncing the Republican abuses of authority.

But with Obama in power, a number of MSNBC talking heads have reacted to the Snowden disclosures like Fox News hosts did when they were in hysterical damage control mode for Bush—complete with ridiculously fact-free claims and national chauvinism that we’ve long come to expect from the “fair & balanced” channel.

As Snowden arrived in Russia from Hong Kong, MSNBC host Ed Schultz blustered on about Snowden as a “punk” and “coward.” Railing about the “security of the country” in tones Hannity would approve of, Schultz questioned Snowden’s patriotism and credibility, asking: “If the United States of America is doing something so egregiously wrong in its surveillance program, how come he’s the only one speaking up? In O’Reilly-like blissful ignorance, Schultz seemed unaware of the three NSA whistleblowers who’d loudly spoken up way earlier than Snowden – and gathered for an illuminating USA Today interview a week before his tirade.

I watched one MSNBC host function as an auxiliary prosecutor in Obama’s Justice Department, going after Snowden—while trying to link WikiLeaks and journalist Glenn Greenwald to criminal flight. MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry has been condemning Snowden by contrasting him with civil disobedients who “love their country” and submit to arrest—while Snowden just wants to “ save his own skin.”
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Former MSNBC producer: MSNBC hosts "won't tell you" when Obama's lying (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2013 OP
Thomas Drake, like many of us, thought that Obama really would offer up hope and change. truedelphi Jul 2013 #1
disgruntled former employee? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #2
Cheapshot ReRe Jul 2013 #10
doesn't mean it's not true does it? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #25
You say that like it would be appropriate. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #31
Let's wait and see if Phil Donahue FarPoint Jul 2013 #33
I share the author's disappointment with Obama's record on many civil liberty issues, but.... Swamp Lover Jul 2013 #3
Why not? ReRe Jul 2013 #11
Oh yes because watching your TV gives you all you VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #26
You have absolutely no idea how I get my information. ReRe Jul 2013 #30
No matter what president is in office I think they all lie to us. southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #4
he's a typical emoprog dennis4868 Jul 2013 #5
Bullshit.. That's one Cha Jul 2013 #6
Have some more Kool-Aid! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #8
Snowden's crowd drank it all and I wouldn't want any. Cha Jul 2013 #9
Note the source: The Obama Diary ReRe Jul 2013 #12
Yeah, The Obama Diary, ReRe.. they gather great information.. there's Cha Jul 2013 #14
Really? If you weren't here to pile on you would have avoided posting after all snappyturtle Jul 2013 #16
"avoided posting" treestar Jul 2013 #17
LOL. If not to 'pile on' , for what reason? I didn't know or realize we snappyturtle Jul 2013 #22
Telling people what they can and cannot post? treestar Jul 2013 #27
"Spew", snappyturtle, Spew. Cha Jul 2013 #19
Yes, "spew". Your second reply now that has conributed nothing to the snappyturtle Jul 2013 #21
They have to get their talking points somewhere, I guess. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #15
The Snowden event was the end of my watching MSNBC....I'll admit I've tried snappyturtle Jul 2013 #7
K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #13
This is so "explosive" that it is back in Good Reads treestar Jul 2013 #18
I don't want this thread to sink in GD! nt/ alp227 Jul 2013 #20
It's an excellent read, alp227 ReRe Jul 2013 #24
Read the second paragraph. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #23
Second paragraph is assumptions and exaggerated opinions treestar Jul 2013 #28
I don't find the second paragraph the way you do. I did look for snappyturtle Jul 2013 #37
Obvious to anyone who knows what propaganda is Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #29
K&R. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #32
I'm surprised Nitram Jul 2013 #34
"Obama is a big fat liar and I hate MSNBC" would have been a more accurate title geek tragedy Jul 2013 #35
Uh, over the top at all? WeekendWarrior Jul 2013 #36

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. Thomas Drake, like many of us, thought that Obama really would offer up hope and change.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jul 2013

However, he is paying a much higher price for his assumptions than most of us will.

FarPoint

(12,437 posts)
33. Let's wait and see if Phil Donahue
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:19 AM
Jul 2013

backs him up....he is selling this article on Phil's tail winds after all. I won't be holding my breathe by the way.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
3. I share the author's disappointment with Obama's record on many civil liberty issues, but....
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jul 2013

...to try to paint a former producer of the Phil Donahue show as having some sort of insight in to MSNBC is sort of like Fox "News" turning to Pat Caddel or Bob Beckel for comments from the inside of the Democratic Party...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
11. Why not?
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jul 2013

He used to work there. I'd trust a former producer of the MSNBC Phil Donahue Show more than any they have now or the supposed "Democrats" you referred to. And who are you criticizing? The OP author, alp227? Get real. Read the whole article. Every word Jeff Cohen wrote was true, because I have witnessed every bit of what he said right here on my own TV tuned to MSNBC. One that I kept looking for but he left out was Karen Finney.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
26. Oh yes because watching your TV gives you all you
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jul 2013

need to know what is going on behind the scenes...yeah right I get ya.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. You have absolutely no idea how I get my information.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jul 2013

Make whatever assumptions you want. I won't let you go on very long with this. Go along now and try to harass someone else.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. Note the source: The Obama Diary
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jul 2013

Great art work, will give them that. Thanks for the cartoon, Cha.

Yeah, I'm asshole.

Cha

(297,624 posts)
14. Yeah, The Obama Diary, ReRe.. they gather great information.. there's
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jul 2013

enough hate and stupid whining going on about President Obama. there is another side.

I appreciate the President.. I'm not here to pile on.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
16. Really? If you weren't here to pile on you would have avoided posting after all
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

MSNBC is spewing your points.

When I saw the source of the cartoon I knew you hadn't forgotten the sarcasm tag.

It's ok...wait until the Fourth Amendment and all the whistleblowers are halted. Maybe
then after the jack boots have destroyed what 237 years of effort has upheld you and the Obama Diary people will realize what you have lost...or not...to your peril. You are the one who brought up the President's name....I voted for and believed the President's campaign efforts. Something has happened but I am not blaming the President for whatever 'that' is. Most likely, totally out of his control as President which is turning out to be a figure head position at best. imho

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
22. LOL. If not to 'pile on' , for what reason? I didn't know or realize we
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jul 2013

were discussing totalitarianism. Where did that come from?

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
21. Yes, "spew". Your second reply now that has conributed nothing to the
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jul 2013

conversation but, MSNBC agrees with you. Oh, your lucky day.

The Obama Diary may view Snowden as one engaged in self-hero worship or as a narcissist. I view him as someone who has a lot to lose and it's not his home, girlfriend or salary but his life. I do not think he exposed his position lightly and for that I find him most brave. We probably need to part agreeing to disagree.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. They have to get their talking points somewhere, I guess.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jul 2013

Figures it would be a propaganda site.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
7. The Snowden event was the end of my watching MSNBC....I'll admit I've tried
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

a couple of times since only to last a few minutes before I reach my boiling point.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
13. K&R
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jul 2013

Thanks for the article, alp227. I agree with Jeff Cohen. I listen to MSNBC until they start dumping on Snowden, or Ellsberg, or Drake, or Binney or any of the others. Then I switch away.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. This is so "explosive" that it is back in Good Reads
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jul 2013

The hyperbole in the first paragraph alone is award winning.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. Second paragraph is assumptions and exaggerated opinions
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jul 2013

Another thread debunks the allegations about the number of prosecutions.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
37. I don't find the second paragraph the way you do. I did look for
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jul 2013

the number of whistleblowers charged with espionage under the President. Most sources were listing 8 but Bill Moyers as of April 26th, 2013 said 6 (+ Snowden) = 7. If the number were 6 I still find that alarming. I am interested in your link to the other thread if you have it.

Sorry, my mouse died last night and the keyboard function for copy and paste only copied a part of the address for a complete link to Moyers.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
29. Obvious to anyone who knows what propaganda is
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jul 2013

Not so obvious to the partisan hacks that make up about 1/3 to 1/2 of the American populace.

Rec'd.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
35. "Obama is a big fat liar and I hate MSNBC" would have been a more accurate title
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jul 2013

News orgs don't accuse Presidents of lying--heck even Fox doesn't call Obama a liar the way this guy does.

Does Cohen disclose his relationship with Fox News in the story?

WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
36. Uh, over the top at all?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

I would say that considering the way Phil Donahue was unceremoniously dropped by MSNBC during the Bush years, Mr. Cohen still has a bit of an ax to grind.

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