Childfree Adults Are Not “Selfish”
Lets start with the facts: Im 41. Ive been happily married for 16 years. My reproductive organs are in good working order. Yet, I dont have children nor do I want them. And my intention is to keep things that way.
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Just as significant is the issue of lifestyle. I am a writer. My husband is an artist. We live paycheck to paycheck and go long spells without health insurance and dental cleanings. Our schedules are beyond erratic. I often write on weekends. My husband has had jobs that require regular night shifts. And theres the issue of travel. Last year, we trotted off to Peru for several weeks when my husband was asked to do a series of installations at an old Inca sun temple. The year before that, I spent five weeks in Costa Rica on assignment for a guidebook company. For me, there is no greater joy than slipping on a pair of rubber boots and going to meet an encampment of gold miners in the middle of a rainforest. For my husband, bliss is sitting at a drafting table, surrounded by paint, razor blades and paint sticks. These are the things we love to do. And while we could have found some way to squeeze children into this complicated equation, neither of us was very interested in doing so just like neither of us is very interested in watching major league baseball or the Lifetime network.
Yet, over the course of our marriage, weve been peppered with the kid question from distant uncles, hair dressers, bartenders, bosses, the postman and even the neighbor lady: Dont you have kids? When are you going to have kids? Early on, I learned that the worst thing I could do was to give an honest answer. Saying I dont want kids simply set me up as a challenge to be surmounted. Ive spent BBQs and cocktail parties fending off some inquisitor who made it their mission to convince me to reproduce. In my twenties, I got around this by telling people that I simply wasnt ready to have a baby. But now that Im in my 40s, I cant use that excuse and so the entreaties cascade in. Its now or never. Youre not getting any younger. Arent you afraid youll regret the decision? Thats kind of selfish, dont you think? Needless to say, the questions are generally directed at me not at my husband.
In so much of what is reported, childless adults are often depicted as slavishly self-involved: people who sacrifice communal bonds in order to hole up with box wine and re-runs of the Walking Dead. In our case, it couldnt be farther from the reality. In choosing not to have children, we have not abdicated obligations to friends and family. When my father developed brain cancer, I took him to treatment almost every day for eight weeks. When my mother-in-law had an aneurysm, my husband took off to help care her for her. In the coming years, I will watch nieces grow up and keep a close eye on friends who might feel depressed. I will spend a great deal of time with people I care for deeply.
My decision not to have children was never made out of some desire to keep my life out of the hands of others. If anything, I have simply chosen to share my life in a different way. Sure, I may one day regret this decision. I may also regret a heap of other things. Not spending more time with my father. Being a jerk to a good friend. Eating too much pizza. But perhaps a bigger regret would consist of being strong-armed into having a baby I simply never wanted.
Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/01/no-regrets-why-i-dont-have-children/#ixzz2b56kkc6c
Edit: This was posted in the Environmental Forum as well. I thought it would be interesting to post it here to get more exposure.
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My wife and I don't have kids and don't plan on it. It has nothing to do with the economy or anything else except that we just don't want children. I tend to agree with the writer that people who don't want children should not be looked at like they are six-eyed, ten legged aliens. While the attitude is still common in the US, where I live, South Korea, people are more or less expected to have kids.
Hissyspit
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Any attitude that assumes that there is something wrong with people who don't make more people is just bizarre.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)There are plenty of people out there who want kids. If we were to change our minds (which is possible I suppose) we would probably adopt. I see it more as a life choice much like the author of the article does. Her and her husband are interesting people.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)"World Population Problem"
World population was 3.13 Billion.
Today: 7.1 Billion
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)I've got two children born 1969 and 1971. My wife also had two abortions later in the '70s partly because she regarded two children to be enough - once again her choice and she never had any hangups about the subject afterwards on either occasion. Early '80s I got myself snipped so's she wouldn't suffer any further unnecessary inconvenience - she'd been toying with the idea of having a hysterectomy.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)People shouldn't have to explain their decision and others should respect that decision without explanation.
ejpoeta
(8,933 posts)I have 3 and am STILL being asked when I am having another one. uggh. I am 40 and after my 3rd which was a surprise, I took steps to prevent further oops. No more. But there are those that wanted more and couldn't have them in my family. And ones that had to go through a lot to have the ones they have. So I guess simply because I am apparently very fertile, I must keep producing. No thanks.
It should be your choice. And perhaps this happens because over the overpopulation. More people choose to not have kids simply because there are already plenty of them around. People shouldn't judge you. They shouldn't warn you that someday you'll wish you had. In that case, you could always adopt. Did they forget about all those kids in foster care?
I have one sister who is also childless. She is a lawyer and represents kids in family court. She has spent her life helping kids in abusive homes. I am sure she's heard her share of when are you going to have kids. She would say the rest of us have enough to cover her share. I have 5 siblings and between us there are 10 nieces and nephews. I think our lineage is covered.
It's sad that people have to be so nosy and think they know better than we do. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you had squeezed kids in that schedule, then you would be told you are a bad parent because you still do what you were doing.... what you want. And having kids requires sacrificing yourself for their needs. I am glad you were able to make that decision for yourself and that you and your spouse are doing well. Try to fade the naysayers out. They want you to procreate, are they going to raise the kids and pay for their needs and wants? I think you are being very responsible in deciding what you want and not having kids just because society sticks its nose in your business.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)has netted me censure from family and friends, and pitying looks/discussions from strangers. I am still clear that remaining childless was the right choice for me, and I've been astonished by the number of times I've had to defend my decision.
Selfish? How is it any more selfish than bearing a child you are ill-equipped to parent? I am one of six sisters; five of us grew up in an alcoholic, abusive environment. I've watched my sisters struggle with addiction issues, depression and bipolar disorder. Most of their children have resentments the size of Cleveland. I am watching these younglings struggle with their parents' issues, and I am so very glad I made the right decision for me.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)1. Answer (straight faced): Never. You'll just have to have 2 more to make up for it.
2. I'm waiting for immaculate conception.
3. Whenever my goats get around to reproducing.
4. I'll have kids when you start minding your own business.
5. When the population of the world drops below 3 billion.
6. I decided against it because there were so many child-obsessed creeps around here.
7. When George Zimmerman stops shooting them.
I ought to try some of those the next time someone asks me that. The problem is most Koreans wouldn't get it.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)This is from SOUTH Korea:
How could the world's superpowers destroy Korea?
A: America could send their lawyers and Russia could send their financial planners.
Did you hear they arrested a Pokemon character for voyeurism?
Pikachu
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Totally going to use.
vankuria
(904 posts)how people feel they have a right into the most personal, intimate details of someone else's life.
While I did want children, I married at 44 (I never wanted to be a single mom) and I wasn't successful at conceiving. I get asked the usual questions about was it my choice, did I have something wrong with me, do I miss not having kids, blah, blah, blah. The questions are an intrusion and some make me feel really bad. I found answering with, "it's personal and I have no need to discuss it with you", usually shuts them up.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It is worse in Asian cultures and still being in my early 40's I get the question. I'll tell you a situation this happened recently and it will probably making you spit your coffee out (or maybe not). I met up with a group of people here in Korea who are all Americans living here and we all go to the same school. When we were talking about our personal lives I was asked why I didn't have kids and I flat out said I don't want the responsibility. Oh the horrid shocked look I got. Thankfully the fourth person in the group walked in late and interrupted the conversation saving me from having to go any further.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Maybe more frightened than selfish but i think to each their own. I have several reasons but never regretted at 54 of not being the proverbial sperm donor. The problem i see with us humans is we are just too wasteful and disruptive for the environment we live in. We are fouling the place where we live and for people that might come after us. This is OUR fault and i want to apologize to younger of me for having inherited and to be living in this ever growing screwed up time and place we are in.
Having or not having children is not selfish but more of biological thing that just lately we have learned to control much better. Being too judgmental about things like this doesn't help anything except some self-righteous bigots ego. The thing you might ask yourself is the world a better or worse place because of yourself and what are you doing about it?
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)So much better than giving in to societal pressure and then resenting the kid. How many abused and neglected children are there?
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)I put my career first, which some suggest is very selfish.
I've told my mom and mother in law to get used to the idea of granddogs. My mother in law has embraced the idea...my own mom, not so much.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and they are our kids.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)Another unwanted child in this world is too sad. I wish others had the courage to remain childless for the sake of themselves, the children and the over populated rest of us.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)Having children in these times is one of the worst things you could do to another human being.
First, most of the planet is going for the medieval oligarchy form of government. Your newborn will lead the life of a serf.
Secondly, global climate change will render the entire planet pretty miserable in a few short decades from now. Mass extinction, coastal cities under water, famine, drought, mass starvation.
Statistically, I've got about 25 years left. And I will probably experience first hand some portion of the misery climate change will wreak upon the entire planet.
-90% Jimmy
dickthegrouch
(3,172 posts)I am in my mid-50s and I never expected to have any children. In fact I came out to my parents when I was 16, and again at 18. When I was about 20 my mother gave me a very hurt look and started a sentence with "If I ever have any grandchildren..." I didn't hear the rest because I was rolling on the floor with laughter (I have two sisters and one brother, all, apparently, hetero at the time). Thankfully that was the exact needed response, since she's never brought the subject up with me again.
Am I worried that I don't have anyone to look after me if I get old and infirm? Sure. But I'm more worried about the money running out.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There a five billion people on the planet. It's selfless, leaving a slightly less crowded planet for the people who do have kids. They should be thanking the child free.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)Live paycheck to paycheck, surrounded by an uncertain economy, and are able to put the needs of others before yourself.
...
But get called some crazy selfish extremist who only cares about him/herself.
How did that even start?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)But seriously, I have always thought that having kids was selfish, not the other way around. I know I had my kid for purely selfish reasons, and don't know of any parent in my circle of friends who had kids for reasons other than that. People have kids because they think it will make them happy. In my case, it did. But it doesn't always work out that way. And for the folks that are miserable, with their lives transformed from hipster partying to diaper hell and cellulite, I think they envy your freedom. They think everyone should be pulling that yoke...like they are.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)About not having kids. It's not like you had kids and then abandoned them. Who is being hurt by people not having kids? The world needs people to have less kids, so IMO, anyone who doesn't have them is doing us all a favor.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And would have done it before but my doctor refused saying "you'll want kids eventually, trust me". At 30 he gave in (he was treating me for severe endometriosis so I stuck with him in spite of the stupid comments).
I will be 48 in 12 days and I've not doubted for a moment my decision. I've been divorced twice, and I can't imagine being perpetutally tied to both those creeps by our offspring. My reasons for not having children are myriad, but suffice to say I just never wanted them. My brother has 4 and 2 are profoundly autistic. Dear brother used to give me a lot of guff for not having them but now he concedes he should have considered it more carefully. I probably over-thought the whole issue, but I have no regrets.
As for the selfishness, so friggin' what? My friends all had very egocentric reasons for procreated; is that not selfishness personified?
get the red out
(13,462 posts)How am I depriving someone of something when that person doesn't exist? I used to have a friend (used to) who would go on a diatribe about how horribly her adult daughter was treating her then in all seriousness ask me if I didn't think I would regret not having kids. She would go on and on about "my future regret", then back to how her daughter got mad at her and wouldn't let her see the grand-babies.
I can't get the "selfish" propaganda about the child-free. I am someone who could never imagine being a mother, for whatever reason, maybe having a mentally ill mother myself. I have always been just horrified by the idea of motherhood. But there are people who don't fit into all kinds of molds, so what? I was completely up front about this early on when I met my husband so no dishonesty there (and he wasn't into parenthood either). We aren't rich world travelers in a big fancy house, but so what if we were? I still don't get the "selfish" part, just because we don't have kids. We treat others decently, have helped friends in need where we could, we try to be good neighbors, our precious dog came from the shelter.... And even if we were part of the 1% (or even top 30%) would having 2.5 kids make us miraculously less "selfish" than someone without kids no matter their financial status?
Stereotyping is not good, and I have become so tired of the propaganda against child-free people that I've joined child free message boards just to vent. I never really thought much about it for a long time then the aggravation seemed to build up to a crescendo and I thought "wow, people like us are pretty much despised by a lot of folks".
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)& Dr said "Oh no, no, you'll get married and want more. You'll see".
Well, 23 years later and I have NOT been married. Have NOT wanted more. Have NOT had more.
And have come to realize that some people just don't like kids.
There's nothing wrong with that - I'm one of them.
I don't see why people are stigmatized for knowing who they are & living accordingly.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I had the latter and have never had a problem. That was over 15 years ago.
If married, the guy getting the vasectomy is so much easier.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Not in all cases obviously, especially among the "quiverfull" fundies, but among the "kid poor" workohaulics maybe?
I work with many people I've known for over 20 years, and saw many go through the whole game of life, and while none actually used the word selfish on me, I did sense a festering resentment. In a great many cases, the issue boiled/rendered down to envy. More for the childless or single among us for our independence and free time, even more so than the money.
I do remember one conversation I had about a dozen years ago, and I remember it because it stood out and made an impression on me. Someone was saying how exhausted overwhelmed he and his wife felt by having so many children so soon and so close together and how they couldn't wait till they got old enough to be able to help out and be self sufficient. I'll never forget how he said in a sighing resigned disgusted tone with a flick of his hand "We just wanted to have a buch and get it over and done with". As if were mowing a lawn or getting a tooth pulled. What struck me was how it seemed to me he felt it was a requirement to have kids. Perhaps family pressure was reponsible. Perhaps religion. Seemed sad to me.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)don't have them. It's not selfish at all, in fact nothing is worse than growing up in a family that never wanted you from the start.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and the overall positive reaction. It is nice to see so many people willing to come out and tell why they are childless.
jasond54231
(51 posts)After all, the world is a cruel, bleak place. I'd rather not subject another poor child to the harsh realities of what life on this planet is like.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)My advice is if you are sure of it then do it. It was a fairly young age to make a decision, but I haven't changed my mind.
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alarimer
(16,245 posts)They pity me because I am not (according to them) "relationship material." So of course I don't have kids- who would marry someone like me?
Seriously, my own parents have done this to me. They were astonished when I talked about wanting to date again after my recent breakup but not finding suitable people where I live. Maybe it's more charitable to say they thought I was focused on my career. Which I am, but that doesn't preclude a relationship.
But I never wanted kids either and I knew that early on. Given how judgmental people in general are about parents and parenting, especially towards women, I wanted no part of that. And the number of stories in the media about women who "opt-out" of careers to focus on their kids, only to be dumped by their husbands later on and left with essentially nothing made it even less attractive to me.