Is Homeland Security Preparing for the Next Wall Street Collapse?

[marmar]

Is Homeland Security Preparing for the Next Wall Street Collapse?

Wednesday, 09 October 2013 10:14
By Ellen Brown, Web of Debt Blog | News Analysis


Reports are that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is engaged in a massive, covert military buildup. An article in the Associated Press in February confirmed an open purchase order by DHS for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. According to an op-ed in Forbes, that’s enough to sustain an Iraq-sized war for over twenty years. DHS has also acquired heavily armored tanks, which have been seen roaming the streets. Evidently somebody in government is expecting some serious civil unrest. The question is, why?

Recently revealed statements by former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown at the height of the banking crisis in October 2008 could give some insights into that question. An article on BBC News on September 21, 2013, drew from an explosive autobiography called Power Trip by Brown’s spin doctor Damian McBride, who said the prime minister was worried that law and order could collapse during the financial crisis. McBride quoted Brown as saying:

If the banks are shutting their doors, and the cash points aren’t working, and people go to Tesco (a grocery chain) and their cards aren’t being accepted, the whole thing will just explode.

If you can’t buy food or petrol or medicine for your kids, people will just start breaking the windows and helping themselves.

And as soon as people see that on TV, that’s the end, because everyone will think that’s OK now, that’s just what we all have to do. It’ll be anarchy. That’s what could happen tomorrow.

How to deal with that threat? Brown said, “We’d have to think: do we have curfews, do we put the Army on the streets, how do we get order back?” ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://truth-out.org/news/item/19314-is-homeland-security-preparing-for-the-next-wall-street-collapse

[xchrom]

1. du rec.

[BillyRibs]

2. When I post stuff like this,

I'm called a tin foil Hat.

[geek tragedy]

11. Deservedly so, this is rightwing crap, nt

[blkmusclmachine]

20. And it's "old news," too, I bet. Nobody's buying that line any more.

[geek tragedy]

22. Actually, it is stale horse crap.

It's a wingnut rumor.

[truth2power]

23. From your mouth to God's ear...

Seriously though...

I read Ellen Brown's book, "Web of Debt". I found it to be a persuasive work; a credible economic analysis.

Therefore: I don't see Ms. Brown as perpetrating "wingnut rumors".

YMMV, of course, as in your trenchant analysis, above.

[geek tragedy]

24. It is a FACT that the claim that the DHS is hoarding billions of rounds of ammunition

and tanks to crush a domestic uprising is:

1) completely false;
2) a myth with its origins in the extreme far right, i.e. the John Birth Society/Alex Jones infowars crowd. It has been promoted by such luminaries as Sarah Palin and James Inhofe.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/05/07/the-origin-and-truth-behind-alex-jones-ammo-act/193938

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/30/republicans_embrace_conspiracy_theory_that_dhs_is_buying_up_ammo/

Those who choose to embrace this lunatic vision inhabit the same alternate reality universe as the Timothy McVeigh wing of the Teapublican party.

It is a very good litmus test for who is sane and who is not.

[geek tragedy]

25. Also, Ellen Brown is a fucking NAZI,

So, that you need to cite NAZIS to support this toxic bullshit only underscores my point.

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX:
HOW A BANKRUPT GERMANY SOLVED ITS
INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS
Ellen Brown, August 9th, 2007
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

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"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler's Monetary System," www.rense.com, citing C. C. Veith, Citadels of
Chaos (Meador, 1949)
Guernsey wasn't the only government to solve its infrastructure problems by issuing its own money. (See E. Brown, "Waking Up on a Minnesota Bridge," www.webofdebt.com/articles/infrastructure-crisis.php, August 4, 2007.) A more notorious model is found in post-World War I Germany. When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all the property in the country. Speculation in the German mark had caused it to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. At its peak, a wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty, and huge numbers of homes and farms had been lost to the banks and speculators. People were living in hovels and starving. Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses, and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery to international lenders.

Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks."

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

So, she cheerfully reports how the "National Socialists" took on the "international banking cartel." In other words, "Hitler saved Germany by standing up to the Jews."

http://ellenbrown.com/2007/09/11/whats-the-wizard-of-oz-got-to-do-with-money-reform/

Before World War I, two opposing systems of political economy competed for dominance in the United States. One was the New York financial district, which came to symbolize American finance. Its most important address was 23 Wall Street, known as the “House of Morgan.” Mr. J. P. Morgan was an agent of private Jewish banking interests. Since private financiers controlled the gold, they established a national currency based on the “gold standard.” Today the gold standard has been eliminated, and the global economy is based on funny money. This allows an increase of debt as never before in world history.

The other system dated back to Benjamin Franklin. It operated out of Philadelphia, which was the USA’s first capitol before the capitol was moved to Washington. At one of the Constitutional Conventions, Franklin’s “Society for Political Inquiries” planned an economy that would free us from economic slavery to England. In response, England sent troops to enforce the private Jewish bankers’ power, thus sparking the War Of Independence. The Philadelphia faction favored a bank on a model established in provincial Pennsylvania. In this model, a state office issued or lent money, collected the interest, and returned it to the provincial government to be used in place of taxes. President Lincoln returned to the colonial system of government-issued money during the Civil War, but the bankers assassinated him and reclaimed control of the money machine.

[kickysnana]

3. Ghouls. For a larger and larger portion of America this has been happening

How much food would that bullet money buy? Wouldn't it make more sense to put Homeland Security to work helping people help themselves rather than planning to shoot them or imprison them? When American's are weak America is weak. When Americans are strong we can help ourselves and the world around us!

"Jesus wept."

[Thav]

4. I read in a book something that rings very true:

"People are always 24 hours and two meals away from anarchy."

I don't think "anarchy" was the word, but it's along those lines.

[KurtNYC]

5. The government also has huge warehouses of pizza and eggs

and other RTE items. They prepare for emergencies from social unrest to hurricanes. Focusing strictly on "Wall Street collapse" make it sound like Alex Jones stuff.

I've had the pizza and it is very good for frozen. Likewise the eggs are so clean you can eat them raw and make mayo. They have to refresh the warehouses periodically.

[dickthegrouch]

6. Think Harder!

How to deal with that threat? Brown said, “We’d have to think: do we have curfews, do we put the Army on the streets, how do we get order back?”

That is lazy thinking, Mr Brown

If you really want to show your IQ has more than two digits, think harder and avert the situation long before you need to test the loyalty and priorities of the army (who's families will be suffering equally). If the only thing you can devise is more murder, more violence, more misery, you are not the right man for the job and you should resign.

[dixiegrrrrl]

7. I am seriously expecting a bank bail in to happen.

The gov. has been doing a LOT of work in preparation for "urban unrest"
over the past few years, any quck Google will show that.

Bad enough if the grocery stores run out of food, what happens when the banks close for a 5 day weekend?
And suddenly the depositors find they have involuntarily contributed to a bail in?
Or that the mortgage check can't be written?

[magical thyme]

8. what is a "bank bail in?"

never heard that expression before...

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. Google "bank bail in" and I think what you need to know will pop up.

Also try the term in the DU search box, there were a lot of stories about it, esp. March.

[magical thyme]

14. iow, confiscate depositor's bank accounts to bailout banks

in exchange for some sort of equity.

Which is why I'm leering of even bothering to save $$ anymore.

[dixiegrrrrl]

15. yep.

Does not sound like a good deal to me.. a bank so broke it has to confiscate the depositor's money
and then give the depositor an I.O.U. on the bank's future.
Already Cyprus bank has had to ask for MORE loans to keep afloat.

Plus, during the bail in, the banks were shut down for 5-7 days, no withdrawals allowed,
therefore businesses could not pay for their supplies, could not pay their staff,
people could not write mortgage or other payments.

And then, when the bank re-opened, they had "capitol controls" which is a fancy word for saying the amount of money you could withdraw was severely limited.
Again, people with businesses were screwed.

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. Here, I found some DU posts about it

Including one of mine:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111632967

and this one from Pampago:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112847

Plus this comment in another thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1116&pid=32932

and
a good post by marmar
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101662448

[yurbud]

9. Not only that, I wonder if the GOP isn't trying to precipitate it, so they have an exact date

instead of just being caught by surprise (at least about the timing) if it went down on it's own.

[geek tragedy]

10. This is recycled Alex Jones, rightwing tinfoil garbage.

Reports are that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is engaged in a massive, covert military buildup. An article in the Associated Press in February confirmed an open purchase order by DHS for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. According to an op-ed in Forbes, that’s enough to sustain an Iraq-sized war for over twenty years. DHS has also acquired heavily armored tanks, which have been seen roaming the streets. Evidently somebody in government is expecting some serious civil unrest. The question is, why?

Only rightwing psychobillies believe this crap.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/feds-media-debunk-sarah-palin-stockpiling-bullets-claim-88179.html

[BillyRibs]

16. I not going to say anything meanspirited to you But...

Did you see the Video of the "Police" Search in Massachusetts (a very Militarized version) the one for the Tzarnaev Brothers? It looks just like the Description in the Tin Foil hat stuff as you called it. Just Saying.

[geek tragedy]

17. What are you talking about?

Everyone has seen the video of the manhunt for those two terrorists.

[BillyRibs]

18. Then their is no reason to go on about it.

We Can't tell the Military from the police any more can we?

[geek tragedy]

19. Sure we can. nt

[blkmusclmachine]

21. Have a pastry.

[geek tragedy]

27. The author of the blog post is a Jew-hating fan of Adolf Hitler, so back at you

http://ellenbrown.com/2007/09/11/whats-the-wizard-of-oz-got-to-do-with-money-reform/

Before World War I, two opposing systems of political economy competed for dominance in the United States. One was the New York financial district, which came to symbolize American finance. Its most important address was 23 Wall Street, known as the “House of Morgan.” Mr. J. P. Morgan was an agent of private Jewish banking interests. Since private financiers controlled the gold, they established a national currency based on the “gold standard.” Today the gold standard has been eliminated, and the global economy is based on funny money. This allows an increase of debt as never before in world history.

The other system dated back to Benjamin Franklin. It operated out of Philadelphia, which was the USA’s first capitol before the capitol was moved to Washington. At one of the Constitutional Conventions, Franklin’s “Society for Political Inquiries” planned an economy that would free us from economic slavery to England. In response, England sent troops to enforce the private Jewish bankers’ power, thus sparking the War Of Independence. The Philadelphia faction favored a bank on a model established in provincial Pennsylvania. In this model, a state office issued or lent money, collected the interest, and returned it to the provincial government to be used in place of taxes. President Lincoln returned to the colonial system of government-issued money during the Civil War, but the bankers assassinated him and reclaimed control of the money machine.

[gopiscrap]

26. Sounds like tea party paranoia to me.

[geek tragedy]

28. Actually, Neo-Nazi crap. nt

[gopiscrap]

29. There's not much difference between the two

[geek tragedy]

30. Ellen Brown has praised Hitler for standing up to the "international banking cartel"

Just in case the code term "international banking cartel" wasn't obvious enough:

http://ellenbrown.com/2007/09/11/whats-the-wizard-of-oz-got-to-do-with-money-reform/

Before World War I, two opposing systems of political economy competed for dominance in the United States. One was the New York financial district, which came to symbolize American finance. Its most important address was 23 Wall Street, known as the “House of Morgan.” Mr. J. P. Morgan was an agent of private Jewish banking interests. Since private financiers controlled the gold, they established a national currency based on the “gold standard.” Today the gold standard has been eliminated, and the global economy is based on funny money. This allows an increase of debt as never before in world history.

The other system dated back to Benjamin Franklin. It operated out of Philadelphia, which was the USA’s first capitol before the capitol was moved to Washington. At one of the Constitutional Conventions, Franklin’s “Society for Political Inquiries” planned an economy that would free us from economic slavery to England. In response, England sent troops to enforce the private Jewish bankers’ power, thus sparking the War Of Independence. The Philadelphia faction favored a bank on a model established in provincial Pennsylvania. In this model, a state office issued or lent money, collected the interest, and returned it to the provincial government to be used in place of taxes. President Lincoln returned to the colonial system of government-issued money during the Civil War, but the bankers assassinated him and reclaimed control of the money machine.

[gopiscrap]

31. what a fucking idiot

[geek tragedy]

32. And her peddling of rightwing conspiracy theories got 18 recs.

Ugh.