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IndyOp

(15,524 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 04:03 PM Dec 2013

The issue that should loom largest for us all => Are We Falling Off the Climate Precipice?

I teach at a college in Indiana and I'm usually wrapped up in how important it is for students in my classes to understand what we teach in our department -- how much they could help people in their future profession if they'll take some of the lessons that we teach with them.

I also get chills from time to time as I think about the climate crisis (not related to my focus at work) and I think about a quote I remember from an professor who was completely absorbed in his academic work during WWII. He was on the faculty at a University in Germany studying languages. When the war was over he was left to wonder why he kept focusing on his "important" academic work -- while millions died.

My point is: If we fall off the climate precipice, what I'm teaching really won't matter because there won't be people around for my students to help. Our ecological systems have tipping points and we don't know where they are. So what am I going to do about it?


Are We Falling Off the Climate Precipice? Scientists Consider Extinction

I grew up planning for my future, wondering which college I would attend, what to study, and later on, where to work, which articles to write, what my next book might be, how to pay a mortgage, and which mountaineering trip I might like to take next.

Now, I wonder about the future of our planet. During a recent visit with my eight-year-old niece and 10- and 12-year-old nephews, I stopped myself from asking them what they wanted to do when they grew up, or any of the future-oriented questions I used to ask myself. I did so because the reality of their generation may be that questions like where they will work could be replaced by: Where will they get their fresh water? What food will be available? And what parts of their country and the rest of the world will still be habitable? ....

“We as a species have never experienced 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,” Guy McPherson, professor emeritus of evolutionary biology, natural resources, and ecology at the University of Arizona and a climate change expert of 25 years, told me. “We’ve never been on a planet with no Arctic ice, and we will hit the average of 400 ppm... within the next couple of years. At that time, we’ll also see the loss of Arctic ice in the summers… This planet has not experienced an ice-free Arctic for at least the last three million years.”

For the uninitiated, in the simplest terms, here’s what an ice-free Arctic would mean when it comes to heating the planet: minus the reflective ice cover on Arctic waters, solar radiation would be absorbed, not reflected, by the Arctic Ocean. That would heat those waters, and hence the planet, further. This effect has the potential to change global weather patterns, vary the flow of winds, and even someday possibly alter the position of the jet stream. Polar jet streams are fast flowing rivers of wind positioned high in the Earth’s atmosphere that push cold and warm air masses around, playing a critical role in determining the weather of our planet.

Are We Falling Off the Climate Precipice? Scientists Consider Extinction

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Deep13

(39,154 posts)
1. I'd say we are in free fall.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 04:05 PM
Dec 2013

Are we screwed or are we totally fucking screwed? At this point, that is the question.

IndyOp

(15,524 posts)
2. Yes -- and...
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 04:22 PM
Dec 2013

how can I do more things that will make a difference and not beat up other people who aren't and not get so overwhelmed thinking about the issue that I'll refuse to think about it...

Some days I just wonder if we'll be able to be at all kind to each other as ecosystems decline and we come to a crash landing.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
3. That would be unprecidented.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 04:30 PM
Dec 2013

More likely, the the power structures that got us into this mess will become increasingly aggressive over diminishing basic resources.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
13. that's already happening
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:55 PM
Dec 2013

and our political structure is designed to help them continue to do so.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
7. I'm afraid that's more likely the case, there will be more societal instability, climate refugees,
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:27 PM
Dec 2013

riots and increased chances for war over greatly diminishing resources.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
8. You're right about climate refugees
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:46 PM
Dec 2013

It's not hard to imagine two or three hundred million Latinos and Caribbean islanders moving north to get away from unbearable tropic heat. The UN said it could begin in less than 10 years. Anyone who isn't worried about this is living in a daydream.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
9. Coastal flooding here in the U.S. will also create many climate refugees, I believe the mass exodus
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:19 AM
Dec 2013

from Katrina was just an appetizer or minor rehersal.

When the more severe effects of global warming hit, it will be on a much greater scale with increased frequency and there will be no going back.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
10. I'm sorry, but there is *so* much fearmongering and misinformation in this piece.....
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:49 AM
Dec 2013

That it's not even suited for the tabloids, let alone Truth-Out.

Hell, the fact that he quotes wacko nutjob Guy McPherson & loony David Wasdell as actual sources is enough to make this whole piece suspect.

If there was still an Unrec button, I'd gladly push it. This is *not* the time for wanton fearmongering. Never was, never will be.

Edim

(300 posts)
12. Agree and it's very sad.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:49 AM
Dec 2013

From Mr. FOIA, climategate2

"Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day."
"Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes."
"One dollar can save a life" -- the opposite must also be true."
"Poverty is a death sentence."
"Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels."

Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on hiding the decline. This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets. The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning to publicly release the passphrase. We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such as...

http://foia2011.org/

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
14. maybe we need an event like that dumb TV show REVOLUTION, where all the electric and electronic stuf
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:56 PM
Dec 2013

don't work for a decade or more.

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