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(14,093 posts)Ask a guy a question, then, when he answers, cut him off and say he's 'ranting,' then act aghast that he's angry with you.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)... don't forget to accuse them of being Angry. Apparently that's some kind of mortal sin in the face of fascist efforts to make everything all better. The charge, false or true, looks especially bad on women because God only knows what we'll do next! Maybe that's the reason some people call blacks angry, too. Underhanded rightwing scare tactics.
Well, I for one still have the backbone to get angry and I don't care who knows it. But I admit it's ever so much finer when you can shred a belligerent opponent with a sweet innocent smile.
To be thrown off Hannity's show is quite an honor.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Don't slander 2nd graders like that!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)Hannity is a muzzy-headed halfwit on his best day. I'm delighted Ellison went out there and called him on it. Unfortunately, no typical Hannity fans would understand what he was saying, it went right over their heads.
I applaud him for the effort, though. Very plucky of him to try.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Here: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dem-congressman-gets-thrown-off-after-calling-hannity-a-liar-immoral-you-say-things-that-arent-true/
Ellison starts out at the :40 second mark calling Hannity: 'The worst excuse for a journalist that I've ever seen...'
LOL
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)could only find parts as per DU rules only from youtube.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I didn't know there was a political party in the U.S. called the "Conservative Party". I know that there is the Republican Party, the Constitution Party, and the Libertarian Party (which are all pretty conservative in ideology). But I never heard of a "Conservative" Party. And Bill O'Reilly does the same thing by calling himself an "Independent". They both shill for the GOP and bash Democrats every day, so why are they so ashamed of calling themselves Republicans?
Also it's interesting that Ellison got conveniently cut off when he mentioned the debt that was created prior to Obama taking office. It's as if the GOP wants people to forget that we had a president from 2000 to 2008.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)As usual, he just makes stuff up, including this "Conservative Party."
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Not that they're any different from the Repugs...in fact they often just endorse the GOP candidate, or the GOP candidate runs in both parties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_of_New_York_State
http://cpnys.org/
DFW
(54,397 posts)Bill Buckley's brother, Jim. Had the same smarmy accent, too, although he wasn't the smug superior type his brother was. I had just spent a year in Franco's Spain, and when Agnew (as Nixon's VP) made it a point to visit Franco on July 18th (the anniversary of the 1936 Fascist uprising that put Franco in power three incredibly bloody years later), I asked him if he found the timing of the visit just a little inappropriate, seeing as how Franco had backed Hitler and Mussolini in World War II. True to form, Buckley didn't find anything wrong with the date at all, although I later wondered if he even knew what the date meant to the people of Spain.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Madmiddle
(459 posts)republitards know we didn't have a president from 200 to 2008. Not by official defintion anyway. "W" didn't win either election he was in and they know it. It goes unsaid.
Permanut
(5,610 posts)thanks, Rep Ellison, for calling him out as a liar. Only way to deal with bullies.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)The brains of a walnut, and the morals of Satan. Plus he's a fucking whiny little pissypants coward.
Jumpin Jack Fletch
(80 posts)As for your third comparison, well, I'll let Dick Cheney speak for himself!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)Crazy black guy... Crazy muslim... I see it already...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Maybe we need some more "crazy black guys," a few more "crazy Muslims." Who knows, it looks like it's cathartic
MindMover
(5,016 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Hannity jumps in to eat up the remaining time with more ad hominem attitude.
Bob Woodward lost his credibility during the boy king's reign of horrors.
homegirl
(1,429 posts)Sean Hannity and Joe Scarborough-two of a kind. Always cuttiing off when their guests are speaking. Someone should clock them with a stop watch, count of how many seconds before they interupt and how often. I am waiting for a guest to rip off the mike and clock one of them. They deserve it for rudeness, never mind their constant bullying, same goes for Bill O'Reilly.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)BigD_95
(911 posts)should have shown the whole clip. Im sure the congressman was over talking him because of something that happen earlier but from this point of clip the congressman looked disrespectful. I know Hannity is a piece of shit and Im not defending him. But let him ask the question.
And can I ask why does no one one say part of that 6 trillion is paying for the 2 wars that Bush started. No one ever says that
trumad
(41,692 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)what you're saying. Unless you have other motives besides supporting our president and believe in respect for the office of president.
Oh, and BTW, the entire clip is available in one of the other threads on this exchange. So it's not like you don't have access to it.
BigD_95
(911 posts)Thats what I said. Im sure something happen before the clip but where the clip starts it makes it look like the congresses man is just over talking the host. I know Hannity is scum of the earth. Im not sticking up for him.
mtasselin
(666 posts)How does anyone with half a brain watch this jerk, again another assholes that gets paid millions of dollars to divide our country.
dorksied
(348 posts)Making the case in a calm fashion, and dismantling the talking points in a controlled and calm manner will win you more debates than being on the attack. Let Hannity ask his question, then dismantle it with facts, calmly. I was not impressed with the congressmans argument.
Martin Eden
(12,869 posts)If it's possible to change the mind of a Faux News viewer or to even make them think, that wasn't the way to do it.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Also, I don't know if it's just me, but it seems as if the congressman's mike was not as loud as Hannity's.
I guess I'll just have to listen again, but from what I saw, it looked and sounded as if Hannity was the one being combative.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)I love it when republicans play victim
angry citizen
(73 posts)I think Fox News is a terrorist organization plotting to destroy the President and his supporters
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)That was fun to watch. Hannity is such a jerk.
benld74
(9,904 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)...have never had a problem with bush* engaging in an illegal war on the American people's credit card. The war costs were never added to the budget until President Obama took office and began to clean up the books.
Love Congressman Ellison, but Hannity is a shill to more than the republican party. Hannity shills for the corporate fascists over-lords that have bought our government.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Don't be afraid of the bullies at Fox News. Don't play by the traditional polite rules of news interviews. Why? Because they don't....ever. I like how Hannity (and he's not the only one on that farce of a network) always pre-couches a question with a lie, then "..and thats a fact" before quickly asking his main question. I applaud that Ellison refused to let him get away with that.
If those hacks at Fox want to cut off and bully their guests, then the guests should do the same. What would happen is that viewers would get turned off because you wouldn't hear either one. Of course that would only work for the 5% of Democratic guests they have on.
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)That's all I can take from watching that clip. No reason to be impressed with either one of them in that exchange. If either one of them has aspirations of making an effective, principled argument for their position such that they might persuade others, they didn't show it. Kabuki theater anyway...and today they are both getting a lot of attention for it. Mission accomplished I guess.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Seriously? You can't see what's going on in that video?
Ellison was trying to discuss facts and Hannity either called it ranting, laughed at him, talked over him, or asked misleading questions.
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)If either one of them was trying to persuade others toward their point of view, they were equivalent in their failure. I could see people on each end of the spectrum cheering for "their guy" in that argument. I cannot see anyone looking for facts or reasoned analysis being impressed in the slightest by either one of them. They both came off as clowns.
drm604
(16,230 posts)but that's a rather strange criteria to judge this by. If a holocaust survivor and a holocaust denier failed to convince each other would you categorize them as equivalent?
Ellison was trying to state facts and Hannity was trying to obscure facts. That's not equivalence. Your username is apt.
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)Spending will still go up, just by less than it would have without the sequester. Comparing it to a debate between a holocaust survivor and a holocaust denier...that's not equivalence. But I don't think you meant to suggest this is a debate about as weighty a topic as the holocaust.
That said, if the survivor and denier engaged in a conversation that was simply a bunch of insults and interruptions, I'm not going to be interested in listening to either of them.
I doubt that Hannity and Ellison could ever convince each other of anything. I'm just saying that the type of "discussion" they had is also unlikely to convince anyone but those who are already big fans of one of those guys. If a viewer came to watch that conversation with an open mind, looking for well reasoned arguments on both sides of the issues, I suspect they'd be equally disappointed with both Hannity and Ellison.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts).... always remind me of Groucho Marx, whose favorite question was "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?"
tonybgood
(218 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)This isn't dialog. It's nothing but belittling and talking over your opponent because you can since it's your show.
Why would anyone want to watch this? There's little or no informational content. Hannity actively tries to prevent anything resembling information from getting out.
We need some sort of strategy for dealing with the childish "debate" tactics used by people like Hannity.
Part of me feels like Democrats shouldn't even bother to go on these shows, but that doesn't seem like a good answer. We need a way to get on and actually present some real information to people.
Then again, with Faux's ratings going down, maybe it would be best just to ignore them.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)If every Dem refused to talk to them, they would be irrelevant overnight!
libdude
(136 posts)Those groups opposed to the extreme right wing Republicans and their supporters should take a lesson from Rep. Ellison and his rebuke of Hannity. No name calling just a pure statement of fact. This is what upsets people of Hannitys position, plainly state what they are, if Fox and crew are not fair and balance, say so. Contradict their false objectivity, but of course you may not be invited to be on Morning Joe.
El Shaman
(583 posts)the press infringing on someones freedom of speech!!
Guess thats the way, old big boy, Roger wants it.
savebigbird
(417 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Please proceed Shame, it will be more of your lies which will be disproven on MSNBC. Shame has always overtalked his guest ic they don't say what he wants hear, what a goofball.