Pic Of The Moment: Obama Meets Chinese President Today; Internet Security High On Agenda

[EarlG]

U.S., British intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Obama-Xi Palm Springs summit: Cyber security, North Korea, and Syria on US-China agenda

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[ucrdem]

1. Perfect.

[Generic Other]

2. Voyeurocrats!

I am very very disappointed in Obama's willingness to assume the dictatorial powers Bush and Cheney handed over to the executive branch of our government.

I am sick to death of being party to this corrupt disgusting process of stealing Americans' freedoms from them.

[Jamaal510]

9. Stealing what freedoms?

You still have your freedom of speech, you still have the freedom to comment on political boards and critique Obama, you still have the right to vote (although the GOP is trying to take that away), people still have the freedom to frequent whatever business they want without getting discriminated against, the President actually expanded freedoms for firearm usage in national parks, and he repealed DADT so LGBT people can freely serve in the military. Furthermore, both parties in Congress have re-eauthorized the tracking since 2006. But I suppose it's more fun to go after just Obama and ignore Congress, the people who actually make legislation.

If Obama really was a dictator, he'd squash you like a bug. It's a sign of blind cynicism and ignorance to lump a President in who has been drawing down two wars with a former President and VP who started them.

[Generic Other]

10. I believe privacy is a basic freedom

and it is violated constantly in this country. Corporations have nearly erased this right, I realize. And government has not been much better. There are people in this country who remember a world where we were not data mined, packaged, re-packaged, sold, ripped off, spied on, documented, regimented and profiled to death in mega-billion dollar collection centers where data is stored forever.

In fact the only thing I can do in this country without being tracked is buy a gun!! The Second Amendment defenders seem to defend their right to privacy fairly well. Why not the rest of us. The 4th Amendment defenders for example? I am really pissed that Democrats would continue to allow the Bush policies on warrantless spying to stand. Or that corporations would collect and turn over information to the government , that the government would still follow this policy and even expand on it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

23. "the only thing I can do in this country without being tracked is buy a gun!!"

So sick that this is true.

[Daniel537]

3. A better caption for Xi would have been

"What can i say? We learned from the best."

What a pathetic nation we have become. And to think there are still morons out there who think we are some kind of shining example for the world.

[awoke_in_2003]

4. K&R...

We are not in the position to lecture anyone on anything.

[AverageJoe90]

14. Maybe not, but China even less so, and by a LARGE degree at that. n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

21. Well, Ted Bundy...

was responsible for less murders then Pol Pot.

[alp227]

27. You got that right, I thought that too!

How many times has the US trashed China's human rights record and condemned other countries' human rights violations since the Bush regime with the PATRIOT Act, militarization of OUR police forces, and all sorts of other crap?

[awoke_in_2003]

31. And we have a higher percentage...

of our population incarcerated than China does.

[AverageJoe90]

33. Not so sure if I believe that, TBH.

After all, China isn't exactly an open society. At least we know what's going on in our country, since we're at least still somewhat open.
China, on the other hand? There are probably many things we still don't know fully about that country, including it's true incarceration stats......and I'd be willing to wager that that figure is a LOT higher than the two million we have here in the U.S.......(If I could throw out a random guess, I'd say it's about.....oh, I dunno. Maybe something like 40 or 50 million. Certainly would make sense, TBH.)

[Melinda]

5. Single best comment this week, and much appreciated! Relief abounds!! Thanks!! eom :-)

[LovingA2andMI]

6. VERY, VERY HIGH FIVE on this meme!

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[grahamhgreen]

7. Bush 9/20/2001: "They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of

Americans are asking ``Why do they hate us?''

They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

[siligut]

8. It's all just too convenient

This is not coincidence.

[Junkdrawer]

11. I'd say this is probably one of those early Kennedy / Khrushchev moments...

Each measuring the other's resolve, experience.

[siligut]

12. China is vying for superpower status

Good observation.

[AverageJoe90]

19. All while completely ignoring the signs that are pointing.....

to a perhaps inevitable collapse of some sort in their country, and one which is liable to come much sooner than many expect.....

[AverageJoe90]

13. Things are far from perfect in the U.S.....but China IS much, much worse by far.

Sorry, Earl, but you missed it this time.

[obxhead]

16. I hold the US to a far greater standard than China.

To say "we're not that bad" doesn't make it ok.

Read the 4th.

Again, before the any rebuttal.... I hold us, our Constitution, and our leaders to a far greater standard than China.

[Buzz Clik]

18. Oh, shit. Not another "read the constitution" parrot.

Things have perspective outside the constitution. It's true. Freedom of the press only makes sense: the Bill of Rights merely ensures its existence.

Invasion of privacy is wrong in by its own (lack of) merit. You don't have to cram the constitution up our noses to make your point.

[TBF]

30. What do you base that analysis on AverageJoe90?

You must have reasons for your statement but I fail to see how China is in worse shape than the US. You can't mean economically - they own us.

[AverageJoe90]

32. I meant in terms of civil liberties(though that was kinda obvious, TBH). nt

[TBF]

34. I thought that was what you meant but wanted to be sure -

do you really think we have so much freedom here? Sure, the folks at the top of the totem pole have economic freedom (which is what leads to personal freedoms), but how many of us really have that at this point?

[obxhead]

15. Perfect

eom

[Buzz Clik]

17. The Chinese answer is far simpler: censor, block, deny service, and tap everyone

[Pterodactyl]

20. That's funny!

[Taverner]

22. Exactly. We were always at war with EastAsia.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. I wonder …

The meta-data capture was served on Verizon BUSINESS UNIT - that is everything internet … How is hacking (of military systems, Intellectual Property, etc. ... a main topic of discussion with China) done again?

Do you think, maybe, possibly, this whole thing is a “China, we know what you did, how you did it and if we want to, who was involved, both here and in China … Now, behave!”, moment?

[blkmusclmachine]

25. .

[DCKit]

26. Went back three times to enusre my rec took. nt

[Lenomsky]

28. Brilliant

K&R

[Poll_Blind]

29. LOL!

PB