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(35,568 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)It is all misguided OUTRAGE!! We have known about all of this for YEARS...Seriously, 'NSA Wiretapping" has had its own Wikipedia page for YEARS!!
If we were being truthful we would get this bent out of shape for real civil liberty violations...State & local police across America violate more civil liberties in one day than the NSA will EVER DO!! Why is that? Well, simple...There is literally no one regulating the police!!!
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)head of national intelligence (I think that was the agency.)
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)With potential perjury by top officials, and new questions about spying, let's stop assuming everything is legal
When the president does it that means it is not illegal. These infamous words from Richard Nixon appear to summarize the public legal justification for the Obama administrations unprecedented mass surveillance operation. Perhaps worse, Permanent Washington would have us believe that this rationale is unquestionably accurate and that therefore the National Security Administrations surveillance is perfectly legal.
For example, Richard Haas of the Council on Foreign Relations said of Edward Snowden: Whistleblower is person who reveals wrongdoing, corruption, illegal activity. none of this applies here even if you oppose U.S. government policy. Likewise, the Boston Globes Bryan Bender insists, I wish media would stop calling Snowden a whistleblower it maligns those who truly reveal corrupt or illegal activity. And the New Yorkers Jeffrey Toobin definitively states: These were legally authorized programs.
The idea here, which has quickly become the standard talking point for partisans trying to defend the NSA program and the Obama administration, is that while you may object to the NSAs mass surveillance system, it is nonetheless perfectly legal as is the conduct surrounding it. Therefore, the logic goes, Snowden isnt an honorable whistle-blower hes a traitorous leaker, and the only criminal in this case is Snowden and Snowden alone.
The first and most simple way to debunk this talking point is to simply behold two sets of testimony by Obama administration national security officials. In one, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper categorically denies that the government collect(s) any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans. In another, the Guardian reports that NSA Director General Keith Alexander denied point-blank that the agency had the figures on how many Americans had their electronic communications collected or reviewed.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/put_the_nsa_on_trial/
bowens43
(16,064 posts)wow that is amazing. Sorry dude this IS a real violation of the civil liberties of EVERY American EVERY day who uses a phone.I agree with you about the cops but to brush this gross violation of the 4th amendment aside as if it's nothing is ridiculous.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)How you have been "violated"? When everyone from the courts to every single member of congress who has been briefed has said they do not listen to our phone calls without a warrant.
Look, I totally agree this is scray stuff & must have tight oversight...However, state & local law enforcement will violate more Americans civil rights in a day than this NSA program has done to date yet we will NEVER see the equivalent OUTRAGE when it comes to literally the daily news story of cops violating Americans rights. SAD!!
I NEVER EVER said to brush this aside, you did! And I hope your aim was to not to divert the conversation from the main point which is the NSA looks like a innocent school child when compared to the ALL the violations of Americans rights that happen at the state & local level yet the media will NEVER lead the OUTRAGE machine like they are doing with the NSA story. Not sure how you or anyone else could say otherwise?
Does the NSA violate more Americans civil liberties than do state & local law enforcement?
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)Seems to me we have a constitutional crisis on our hands. And wtf is Obama doing here?