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(460 posts)Watch fox news and cnn for laughs yes, just to see how they mess things up. Please don't speak for how I feel and being a Democrat. I understand your logic.
rdubwiley
(518 posts)I probably shouldn't have used the word liberals, and probably should have went with "Some liberals."
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)on-air can enjoy their vacation...
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)They blew it big too when they moved Ed Shultz to the weekend.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)I say this because I think most liberals if not all liberals do care about gun violence and the easy accessibility of guns. Not to mention the abuse of laws as a "get out of jail free" card.
rdubwiley
(518 posts)That the trial itself has diverted the conversation away from Stand Your Ground laws. Coverage of that would be fine, but instead we see live feeds from the trial, which has nothing to do with changing the law.
jjewell
(618 posts)is NOT being used as a defense in the Zimmerman trial, nor are the Stand Your Ground laws being challenged. Zimmerman is using a standard "Self Defense" defense. I'm watching the trial via the NBC News live feed, with no talking head commentary. I can't speak to MSNBC's coverage since I haven't watched it.
Link Speed
(650 posts)I would rather live my own life than watch someone's court trial. My life is one heck of a lot more fun.
grok
(550 posts)It gets ludicrous especially when they uses "jurors" and "panels" ala "Phil Donahue/Jerry Springer" style.
Very reminiscent of Faux "Frank Luntz" focus groups. Yeah! Lets see if some marginal piece of evidence reinforces your fixed opinion or is a mindblowing game changer..
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)There's also John Fugelsang's "Viewpoint" The War Room, which has undergone a bit of change with Michael Shure, but is still good, even though I loved Jennifer Granholm's commentary... plus Joy Beher's lighter but unbarred interviews on "Say Anything". I'm hoping Al Jazeera will take it all the way in being totally progressive, minus Al Gore.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)You have to remember that the police tried to sweep this case under the rug and let Zimmerman walk, the only reason that Zimmerman is facing trial is because literally millions of people demanded he face trial. This is a very important trial because it has huge implications beyond just this one case, this case could set a precedent for how "self defense" laws are handled in this country, can people claim self defense on cases where there is absolutely no evidence beyond the shooters words that self defense was necessary? There are huge social issues involved with this trial, the issue of race, the issue of guns, the issue of civil rights, the issue of the responsibility of police to investigate crime scenes instead of just trusting the killer's word, this is a hugely important case that will still be talked about fifty years from now.
You say this case does not effect you, but as a pretty normal looking white male you probably don't have to worry about being racially profiled and shot because you "look suspicious". Some people are unfairly tagged as "looking suspicious" every single day of their lives, and for them this case is very important because it will inform them as to whether or not people can confront them and shoot them for "looking suspicious". Don't dismiss this trial as unimportant because for many people this trial is deeply important.
rdubwiley
(518 posts)How will coverage of this case end racial profiling? One good thing CNN did was the discussion of racial profiling with LeVar Burton.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Certainly confronting racial profiling will do more to reduce it than ignoring the issue will.
If Zimmerman gets off despite the clear facts of the case which shows he chased down and murdered a black child it will send a message, sadly there are many sick people who are suggesting the child deserved to die. If Zimmerman gets off it could set a truly horrific precedent.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)I can't help from wondering what the reaction would if the young man was White by those who don't give a damn about the trial.
avebury
(10,952 posts)What really disturbs me is that a person who has a grudge against someone could instigate a similar situation, kill the person and claim self defense. I have a major problem with an armed person instigating a confrontation with an unarmed person and then claiming "I really felt my life was in danger." There is such a lack of accepting responsibility for ones actions in this day in age.
Zimmerman never identified himself to Trayvon as a member of Neighborhood Watch.
For someone who was Mr. Neighborhood Watch it was interesting to observe that only one person from the neighborhood that has testified thus far even had an idea of who this guy was.
His whole life has revolved around law enforcement. His dad was some type of justice of the peace/judge. He studied criminal justice. He applied and was turned down from being a police officer (for credit problems). He then says he wants to be a lawyer. Then he wants to be a judge. THEN he claims to Sean Hannity that he does not know anything about Stand Your Ground (a subject discussed a lot in a class where he earned an A). Liar liar pants of fire!
When they started a Paypal Account to raise money for his defense, Zimmerman and his wife diverted a lot of money for non-legal spending. Remember he already has a history of credit problems? Talk about bilking the public. He and his wife also lied about the paypal account to the court.
This guy is a narcissist. Most people, when in trouble with the law know enough to shut up and get an attorney. This guy wouldn't shut up and he has told so many stories that just don't pass muster when faced with real facts. He claimed Martin hid behind a bush and jumped out and attacked him. There are no bushes large enough to hide behind. He said he didn't know the number of the house (or street name) despite it being very visible when he did the video walk through. He claimed Martin was straddling him. Recreation of this indicates that Zimmerman not only would never have seen the guy but couldn't have reached it. Zimmerman claimed that Martin bashed his head 20-30 times and he was in and out of consciousness. While different witnesses vary on who was on top and who was on bottom, none of them indicated that Zimmerman was seriously injured and having difficulty moving around. One witness that he had one hand on his head and one on his waist which is an "Oh shit what have I done." posture if I have ever heard of one. The final incident happened in such a short time, Martin could not have possibly done everything that Zimmerman accused him of unless he was an octopus.
And to claim that what he did was God's will? Please!
Once the Prosecution indicated that they were done the Defense (in the absence of the jury) presented a motion for the judge to give a summary judgement of not guilty. The prosecution response was brilliant, to the point, and buried Zimmerman. I am really looking forward to the closing statements.
jjewell
(618 posts)Very well put, and well said. Thank you.
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Cronus Protagonist
(15,574 posts)He seems familiar.
lib87
(535 posts)I agree it is being covered incorrectly but the trial and it's outcome are important to many people.
The trial will be over in another week and you can go back to watching regularly scheduled daytime msnbc/cable news programing.