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Alan Grayson says we need to stop NSA meta data collection-it's unconstitutional (Original Post) midnight Aug 2013 OP
Not to metion the fact Lonr Aug 2013 #1
The metadata is what they use to map our social networks. reusrename Aug 2013 #5
kick Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #2
I am with Grayson on this issue. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #3
K&R - Grayson is so in the right place at right time. Thanks Alan. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #4
I doubt it's possible to roll back this technology. reusrename Aug 2013 #6
Yes, the public has a right to know what the government knows, at least most of it. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #7
Law is another of his expertise too.... A Harvard Law Graduate... midnight Aug 2013 #11
con-servative-democrat? do you know anything about bonniebgood Aug 2013 #12
hush now. he's 'reality based' KG Aug 2013 #13
How can you say that? freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #16
Grayson SamKnause Aug 2013 #17
Mea-culpa ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #22
knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #8
K&R nenagh Aug 2013 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #10
i'm totally with Grayson on this. blackspade Aug 2013 #14
I'm counting on Grayson's calm and logic.... midnight Aug 2013 #18
Congressman Grayson is a patriot, and national treasure. nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #19
Fearless! Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2013 #20
He seems to have unmatched integrity Mosaic Aug 2013 #21
I know... Isn't it refreshing... midnight Aug 2013 #23
K&R for Congressman Grayson! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2013 #24
 

Lonr

(103 posts)
1. Not to metion the fact
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 11:17 PM
Aug 2013

that the metadata is simply used to create an index so that the body of the communications can be quickly retrieved from the NSA's databases...

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
5. The metadata is what they use to map our social networks.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:05 AM
Aug 2013

Mapping our social networks is probably the most dangerous part of the surveillance.

The metadata is the greater danger to liberty and freedom.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
3. I am with Grayson on this issue.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 12:36 AM
Aug 2013

This guy could be elected to the presidency. Seriously. The nation is just waiting for a leftie populist.

They would probably have to kill him. His political opponents, I mean. Just want to clarify. NSA, you know.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
6. I doubt it's possible to roll back this technology.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:10 AM
Aug 2013

I'd be happy seeing it end up in the public domain, with everything open source.

No secrets. If the NSA has a right to know, doesn't the public also have that right.



freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
15. Yes, the public has a right to know what the government knows, at least most of it.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:41 AM
Aug 2013

Half of what gives NSA their outsized power is that they hold all the information cards. They can threaten to release info (but not if it's already in the public domain) and they can even lie about what's in there (but not if it's in the public domain). Of course there are exceptions: information that truly would put national security at risk, trade secrets, medical records, a few other things.

Still, I'd try real hard to roll surveillance back before being resigned that it can't be rolled back. There's lots of stuff in there that no one, government or private, has any right to know. Folks do have a right to secrets. You cannot destroy the technology, in the sense that once someone has figured out how to do it it can be done again. But you can take that technology off of government computers and pass a law against government computers having it.

What we really need is a better check on government and its surveillance powers -- in other words, loyalty to the Fourth Amendment. What it comes down to is more power to the people and less to government.

Response to midnight (Original post)

bonniebgood

(940 posts)
12. con-servative-democrat? do you know anything about
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:32 AM
Aug 2013

Congressman Alan Grayson? or perhaps you are referring to the wrong Grayson?
One click BEFORE you comment shows you have no respect and that facts don't matter.You
maybe a conservative but you are no democrat. Most Democrats like facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
16. How can you say that?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:43 AM
Aug 2013

The man is a lawyer.

Yeah, I know I'm the third person to say it, but it bears repeating. The man is a lawyer.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
17. Grayson
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:47 AM
Aug 2013

You can not be a Member of the Reality Based Community if you don't know the simple facts on the topic you are discussing.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
22. Mea-culpa
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:43 PM
Aug 2013

Grayson is always introduced as an economist. And his legal theories are clearly in conflict with established case law, so I didn't properly check.

Because of this, I'm deleting my post. It was clearly in error.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Uncle Joe

(58,348 posts)
10. Kicked and recommended.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:09 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:42 AM - Edit history (1)

That was a good interview.

Thanks for the thread, midnight.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
14. i'm totally with Grayson on this.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:36 AM
Aug 2013

Grayson, knows what he is talking about, but I have little hope that he will sway the more authoritarian members here.
Their loss.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
21. He seems to have unmatched integrity
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:18 AM
Aug 2013

Which is why it's not fair more people, even on the right, should love this man. I don't care about religion, Alan Grayson has his head screwed on straight and that's what matters.

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