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(103 posts)that the metadata is simply used to create an index so that the body of the communications can be quickly retrieved from the NSA's databases...
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Mapping our social networks is probably the most dangerous part of the surveillance.
The metadata is the greater danger to liberty and freedom.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This guy could be elected to the presidency. Seriously. The nation is just waiting for a leftie populist.
They would probably have to kill him. His political opponents, I mean. Just want to clarify. NSA, you know.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)reusrename
(1,716 posts)I'd be happy seeing it end up in the public domain, with everything open source.
No secrets. If the NSA has a right to know, doesn't the public also have that right.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Half of what gives NSA their outsized power is that they hold all the information cards. They can threaten to release info (but not if it's already in the public domain) and they can even lie about what's in there (but not if it's in the public domain). Of course there are exceptions: information that truly would put national security at risk, trade secrets, medical records, a few other things.
Still, I'd try real hard to roll surveillance back before being resigned that it can't be rolled back. There's lots of stuff in there that no one, government or private, has any right to know. Folks do have a right to secrets. You cannot destroy the technology, in the sense that once someone has figured out how to do it it can be done again. But you can take that technology off of government computers and pass a law against government computers having it.
What we really need is a better check on government and its surveillance powers -- in other words, loyalty to the Fourth Amendment. What it comes down to is more power to the people and less to government.
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midnight
(26,624 posts)bonniebgood
(940 posts)Congressman Alan Grayson? or perhaps you are referring to the wrong Grayson?
One click BEFORE you comment shows you have no respect and that facts don't matter.You
maybe a conservative but you are no democrat. Most Democrats like facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson
KG
(28,751 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)The man is a lawyer.
Yeah, I know I'm the third person to say it, but it bears repeating. The man is a lawyer.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)You can not be a Member of the Reality Based Community if you don't know the simple facts on the topic you are discussing.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Grayson is always introduced as an economist. And his legal theories are clearly in conflict with established case law, so I didn't properly check.
Because of this, I'm deleting my post. It was clearly in error.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)thanks, midnight..
Uncle Joe
(58,348 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:42 AM - Edit history (1)
That was a good interview.
Thanks for the thread, midnight.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Grayson, knows what he is talking about, but I have little hope that he will sway the more authoritarian members here.
Their loss.
midnight
(26,624 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)That's why I love Grayson.
K&R
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)Which is why it's not fair more people, even on the right, should love this man. I don't care about religion, Alan Grayson has his head screwed on straight and that's what matters.