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hlthe2b
(102,147 posts)Good Gawd, how does anyone defend THAT?
RC
(25,592 posts)Threaten them with long prison terms if the say anything to anybody. How else are they going to silence people who might stand up to and object to their dictatorial "Our Word is Law", of our self-appointed Overlords, no matter how illegal or unconstitutional our Overlords action might be.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)hlthe2b
(102,147 posts)The US and its insane surveillance/NSA policies have rendered our justice system a total joke worthy of a 3rd rate banana republic.
And, yes, MY PRESIDENT has done NOTHING to reign it in and I'm damned mad.
RC
(25,592 posts)That is what he is telling the world. That is all he said. He never said what, or even eluded to what it was he could not talk about.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)90-percent
(6,828 posts)Reminds me of the Soviet Government during the entire cold war.
Sure smells like a totalitarian fascist police state here in America these days.....
-90% Jimmy
lrellok
(41 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Catch 22.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I will again say: Maintaining the national security state is not protecting America, it it destroying the village -- or, if you prefer, the shining beacon on the hill -- in order to save it. I will not vote for any candidate for public office who says otherwise.
There was a time when Mr. Snowden could return to America with full confidence that he would receive a fair trial. That was possible even when Nixon was president. I regret to say that it is much less likely to be the case now.
I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 thinking that his administration would undo the institutional damage done to America by the Bush Junta. I was expecting more than just proscribing waterboarding as an interrogation technique. I was expecting nothing less less than the dismantling of the national security state. Instead, he failed to prosecute those in the Bush Junta who conspired to undermine the right of private citizens to due process of law or to be secure in their private papers and effects and he asked for new powers to violate civil liberties and put some largely meaningless procedural window dressing around the powers granted to the usurper Bush.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)if ya don't mind me asking
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)In 2012, it was with some reservations.
I could also say that he was better than Mitt the Twit, but I don't like left handed compliments.
savannah43
(575 posts)Welcome to the Corporate States of America!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...they forget to mention that in addition to kidnapping, torture, and murdering Americans and that whole ''due process'' thing -- you also no longer have a right to consul. Because security.
There's just no telling how ''unsafe'' talking to a lawyer about your rights could make things. And your security and protection is our only concern.
- It seems to me that they're now actually using Orwell's scripts......
K&R