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Owner Of Snowden Email Service, Lavabit, Not Allowed To Discuss Case With His Own Lawyer (Original Post) matthewf Aug 2013 OP
I have had it with this crap... Not even allowed to discuss with one's lawyer? hlthe2b Aug 2013 #1
That is the whole idea. RC Aug 2013 #2
Really he can't discuss it with his lawyer but he can tell the world world.... Historic NY Aug 2013 #3
No, indeed he can NOT. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #4
All he did was say was he can not discuss it with anyone , including his Lawyer. RC Aug 2013 #5
Tell the world what? DeSwiss Aug 2013 #15
nostalgic 90-percent Aug 2013 #6
THere is this thing called right to council. lrellok Aug 2013 #7
It's pretty hard to sue the government when you can't tell an attorney about why you should sue Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #9
This goes a long way to explaining why Mr. Snowden isn't coming back to face charges Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #8
Whod ya vote for in 2012 iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #11
Obama Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #12
Well that proves that we're officially a fascist country. savannah43 Aug 2013 #10
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #13
Oh yeah..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #14

hlthe2b

(102,147 posts)
1. I have had it with this crap... Not even allowed to discuss with one's lawyer?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:42 AM
Aug 2013

Good Gawd, how does anyone defend THAT?

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. That is the whole idea.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:49 AM
Aug 2013

Threaten them with long prison terms if the say anything to anybody. How else are they going to silence people who might stand up to and object to their dictatorial "Our Word is Law", of our self-appointed Overlords, no matter how illegal or unconstitutional our Overlords action might be.

hlthe2b

(102,147 posts)
4. No, indeed he can NOT.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:59 AM
Aug 2013

The US and its insane surveillance/NSA policies have rendered our justice system a total joke worthy of a 3rd rate banana republic.

And, yes, MY PRESIDENT has done NOTHING to reign it in and I'm damned mad.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
5. All he did was say was he can not discuss it with anyone , including his Lawyer.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:06 PM
Aug 2013

That is what he is telling the world. That is all he said. He never said what, or even eluded to what it was he could not talk about.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
6. nostalgic
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:43 PM
Aug 2013

Reminds me of the Soviet Government during the entire cold war.

Sure smells like a totalitarian fascist police state here in America these days.....


-90% Jimmy

lrellok

(41 posts)
7. THere is this thing called right to council.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:50 PM
Aug 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_counsel yeah, why these people are not suing the government is beyond me. If he can say he could not tell his lawyer, then that alone is grounds for a suit.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
9. It's pretty hard to sue the government when you can't tell an attorney about why you should sue
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:53 PM
Aug 2013

Catch 22.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
8. This goes a long way to explaining why Mr. Snowden isn't coming back to face charges
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

I will again say: Maintaining the national security state is not protecting America, it it destroying the village -- or, if you prefer, the shining beacon on the hill -- in order to save it. I will not vote for any candidate for public office who says otherwise.

There was a time when Mr. Snowden could return to America with full confidence that he would receive a fair trial. That was possible even when Nixon was president. I regret to say that it is much less likely to be the case now.

I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 thinking that his administration would undo the institutional damage done to America by the Bush Junta. I was expecting more than just proscribing waterboarding as an interrogation technique. I was expecting nothing less less than the dismantling of the national security state. Instead, he failed to prosecute those in the Bush Junta who conspired to undermine the right of private citizens to due process of law or to be secure in their private papers and effects and he asked for new powers to violate civil liberties and put some largely meaningless procedural window dressing around the powers granted to the usurper Bush.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
12. Obama
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:47 PM
Aug 2013

In 2012, it was with some reservations.

I could also say that he was better than Mitt the Twit, but I don't like left handed compliments.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. Oh yeah.....
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:37 AM
Aug 2013

...they forget to mention that in addition to kidnapping, torture, and murdering Americans and that whole ''due process'' thing -- you also no longer have a right to consul. Because security.

There's just no telling how ''unsafe'' talking to a lawyer about your rights could make things. And your security and protection is our only concern.

- It seems to me that they're now actually using Orwell's scripts......

K&R

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