How we've gotten to this point in the U.S.

[snappyturtle]

The video is one of the best summations of American actions
in the 20th century....by Bill Moyers...made in 1987 and runs
1:26:30 in length. Tags would include: wars, MIC, Iran Contra,
presidents, congressional hearings, etc.

I was actually phsically tired after watching this! Explains a lot,
imho, about how tptb's influence guides and pushes for what it
wants. Very good refresher of past 'current' events.

[cantbeserious]

1. Those That Forget Or Ignore History Are Doomed To Repeat It

eom

[snappyturtle]

2. After watching the video I came to the conclusion that

nothing has changed. As the events depicted evolved (i've lived through
98%), it was news of the day. Then the next, and the next, and yet another
unfolded. What an accumulation of aggressiveness! That's why I think
what's happening today isn't all that unusual...just a new enemy...us.

[zeemike]

3. And the really sad part is

That these same people or their ideas are still in charge of our government, and doing the same things as before
The only change is in us...many now accept this as normal.

[WillyT]

4. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[snappyturtle]

5. You're so welcome WillyT!

[DeSwiss]

6. K&R

[snappyturtle]

7. Sad but true. nt

[JDPriestly]

8. This is such an excellent video. Everyone should see it. Watch it again if you have already seen

it. It says what I and many other DUers have been trying to say, but it says it thousands of times more effectively than we ever could.

[snappyturtle]

12. Thank you JDPriestly...your sentiments=mine totally. nt

[sulphurdunn]

9. Of all the disgusting sons of bitches

involved in Iran Contra, Reich Colonel North with his sorry ass moral posing was the one that made me want to puke. After wearing the uniform of the United States as a prop while first lying to and then lecturing Congress on the virtue of violating his oath of allegiance, he should have been court-martialed rather than merely being permitted to retire in disgrace and cash in as a fascist poster boy for right-wing talk radio.

[snappyturtle]

15. Until I saw some of North's testimony again I'd forgotten what

an SOB he was. (That's very harsh language for me!)

[MuseRider]

20. That man disgusts me

he should have disappeared long ago in shame but instead came back to be a hero of the Right.

[limpyhobbler]

10. seems cool. Tagging to watch later. nt

[snappyturtle]

14. Get ready. It's that good....imho. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

11. Good on you for bringing this excellent video up, snappy!

I'm gonna watch it again.

You'd think after over 20 years that someone would start saying... ohhh... I seeeeeee now....

[snappyturtle]

13. I was so happy to see it again! Just what I've been looking for

but didn't know until I found it....again. If you know what I mean.
I also know the feeling!

[Babel_17]

16. That video brings back memories

I've always thought that we can't afford to let that crowd slide on what they did. They just keep coming back to do it again.

Thank you for that video.

[snappyturtle]

18. You're so welcome Babel_17! Mutual sentiments here.

Some of the players are even the same....just not in the gov't
anymore. All the events that happened...gradually accumulated
and I think speak for our, or at least part of, position or
circumstance today. Whoever coined the saying about history
repeating itself....was right! Different times, different methods
(maybe) but all equalling bad results. imho

[Catherina]

17. Kicked and a late rec.

after JDPriestly mentioned it in the thread ACLU: On revenge and the NSA

I hope everyone watches this video, either for a refresher or a history lesson.

[snappyturtle]

19. I enjoyed watching it this time with a perspective of time having

passed. I suppose I'll cajole myself into viewing it one more time
for good measure. I want some of the info at the tip of my tongue
and I trust Moyers for accuracy. Cheers!

[delrem]

21. That documentary is a masterpiece.

I was mesmerized by the depth of the coverage. I wrote some comments.

First of all the documentary shows that there's been no actual moral/political forward movement since then, and it puts it right to us to explain how that is.

It also shows that a "look forward, not back, bipartisanship" embeds the mistakes and crimes of the past.
It creates the exact circumstances needed so those mistakes and crimes of the past are repeated, regardless of how self-destructive.

How can a society move forward in any sense if whole generations are raised on lies that aren't challenged?

Someone in a recent OP mentioned the possibility that I might be a leprechaun if I held certain views.
Now I know what a leprechaun is.

But... like someone put a turd in the punchbowl, Oliver North had a prominent place in the narrative, since he'd been set up to be the media star (OK, co-star, after Reagan) in this playlet. Remember, good people, that Oliver North and Ronald Reagan came out total winners from this situation. If you don't take that into account you're missing the reality of it.

now a spoiler space, because I'm going to type out the view expressed by Walter Chilsen (r) near the end of the documentary.

NO! I typed it out verbatim but I won't spoil the experience of listening to it in context.

Thanks snappyturtle

[snappyturtle]

22. Isn't it though? SO well done .... just what I expect from Bill Moyers!

I should write to Bill Moyers Journal and suggest PBS replay the
documentary. There was so much it in that is pertinent to today;
I didn't expect that.

[delrem]

23. I would recommend it as part of a university course.

The documentary is *totally* pertinent to today.

[snappyturtle]

24. When I first read your remark I thought...ah...well...

but on second consideration, I see that it is a good idea. My "kids",
mid to upper 30's, know virtually nothing about many of the events
featured in the documentary. Some of them they have heard about
or I've told them about but we live a long way part and don't have
in depth discussions concerning such matters. I know their
educations were zeros in this department. Good idea. May send
the kids the link...now, to get them to watch it...although my
daughter loves the History channel in her little spare time.
Thanks!