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The Young Turks ·Published on Aug 18, 2013
"There is no longer any doubt that Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to Congress. Likewise, there is no doubt that his lie runs afoul of federal law. And, of course, there is no doubt that in terms of its implications for oversight, constitutional precepts and privacy for millions of Americans, his lies were far more serious than those that have gotten other people prosecuted for perjury. The question now is whether his brazen dishonesty will become a political issue or whether it will simply disappear into the ether."* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
Read more here from David Sirota / Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/15/huge_majority_wants_clapper_prosecuted_for_perjury/
- The fact that the Republicans aren't using this Executive Branch liar's lies to Congress as the perfect opportunity to bash Obama, is a testament to how much shit this guy has on EVERYBODY.
Arrest him? I'll be surprised if they don't give him The Medal of Freedom.....
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I'll settle for his resignation if the spying stops.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)That falls under the purview of the executive branch, after all.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...your results may vary.
Let's do that .
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Are you already willing to believe that there is one rule for the proletariat and another for the "Noblesse oblige"?
I refuse to go along with a corporate state, personally.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)For me, the important thing is to end the mass surveillance, not to prosecute this or that individual.
I'm really pretty sore about this whole mess and I feel like I've been taken for a sucker by a fellow who had me believing as long as six years ago that he would reverse much of the wrongdoing of the Bush junta. On the plus side: he ended the war against Iraq; will end the war in Afghanistan, although taking more time to do so than necessary; killed Osama bin Laden, the man responsible for the September 11 attacks; succeeded in getting Congress to pass the Affordable Care Act, although it is much weaker than it could have been; signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act into law; and he made a series of maneuvers that has resulted in giant steps toward the goal of equality for gay and lesbian Americans. While Guantánamo remains open, the President wants to close it and has been prevented from doing so by obstinate congressional Republicans who will be judged even more harshly by history than President Obama for what follows.
On the minus side: Obama has aided and abetted the war criminals from the Bush junta in escaping justice; he has committed war crimes in his own right though the careless use of predator drones against suspected terrorists without regard to collateral damage (i.e., the deaths of noncombatants); he has continued the mass surveillance of private communications of American citizens begun under the Bush junta with only cosmetic "reforms"; he has signed into law a measure that allows him to abrogate any person's right to due process of law; he has punished individuals for exposing war crimes, acts of terror and torture while acting in the official capacity as agents of the United States, while taking no action against or even rewarding those whose crimes were exposed; he has aided and abetted the Wall Street criminals who crashed the world economy not only in escaping justice but in gaining greater power over the lives of common people whose trust they betrayed than they had before; he has sent negotiators to secret meetings aimed at agreeing on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade deal that will end the national sovereignty of any nation foolish enough to sign it and set up a court to levy fines against any signatory nation that fails to bring its laws into compliance with TPP standards in matters concerning consumer safety, labor rights and environmental protection.
It remains to be seen whether the President will push Congress to ratify the TPP or approve the Keystone Pipeline, both of which would also count on the minus side.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Drawing the line down the center of the paper, that's about it. Instead of someone having me believe six years ago, I flat out believed six years ago, so I wasn't paying attention...
Sure has my attention now...
jjewell
(618 posts)I applaud you.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Where does the buck stop again?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)On the other hand, he may be the orderer. No one knows who's the pawns in this game of eleventy-dimensional chess because no one knows the rules.
- And that's because the rules are made-up (for us) as they go......
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I wasn't a "Fringe Leftist" until I came to DU.
I haven't changed.
xocet
(3,871 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)I fear someone will take the action for the only solution to this man.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...and we gave it to them.
The American Declaration of Independence
BillyRibs
(787 posts)I also realize the realities!
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -Mao
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I won't hold anything against your low post count at this point, but do you realize that we still should be a nation of laws and that we are constitutionally guaranteed to have equal protection under those laws?
Just putting it out there for ya...
BillyRibs
(787 posts)Just means I found a place where My Political Ideas and speech now have an out let with worthy opinions.
It also stands to say I Kick often and do not respond to every single post.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I think the more expressed, the better one CAN express, which shouldn't be limited to K&R...
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Cenk Uygur is back to being himself.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)I'm glad someone in the press will ask the relevant questions, like: ''Why is this lying asshole not under arrest?''
- You never know what you can get until you ask.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)So, take it up with your Congress critters. I'm sure they will get right on it. Nothing as swift as a Congress of opposing forces.