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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
1. I thought all of Microsoft's products were vulnerable and leaky as hell
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
Aug 2013

I've thought this for years.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. +1
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:22 AM
Aug 2013

I liken farting around on the internet to wandering around a mall, or a public garden/park/commons.

In these types of real-life scenarios, you don't expect EVERYONE to be hanging on your every word, but it's entirely possible that you might be overheard or your image recorded on a security camera.

I don't think I have a "right" to absolute privacy on the internet--particularly when anytime you want to do something, you have to agree to "terms and conditions" that go on for a hundred paragraph in small print that demand everything save your first born.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. I'm a lot more pissed at Google and Amazon hanging...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:41 PM
Aug 2013

on to my every word to sell me something.

And do who-knows-what-else with everything they suck out of my browser.

Besides, I kinda figure any terrorist capable of actually terrorizing knows they're listening and is working around the spies. Like the Mob stopped using the phone after they were all wiretapped.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. And if they denied it, one could not tell whether it's the truth or not.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:24 AM
Aug 2013

That's why I use an operating system that releases their source code, Linux.

No back doors there. And that's something one could check. And people do.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
4. The ONLY operating system without NSA hooks is... GNU Linux
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:24 AM
Aug 2013

Every other OS has them installed:

All Windows
All Mac OS, iOS
All SUSE Linux
Ubuntu Linux (not only sends your search data to Amazon, but also runs on Microsoft Azure(NSA data collector).
Android
etc...

Oh, if you use ANY Office-like product besides Libre Office... all that data is compromised as well.

The ONLY secured brower is Firefox and a few others... the rest are not.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Actually, Firefox may or may not not have hooks, yet, but...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:38 PM
Aug 2013

the more secure way to use it is through the Tor browser that has a special version of Firefox as the engine.

Opera 12, being Norwegian and all, is generally recognized as pest-free. Opera 15 maybe not, but it sucks anyway and should be dropped quickly.

Response to matthewf (Original post)

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
6. Here is the thing even if you trust the NSA who else can access the back door?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:25 PM
Aug 2013

What I do on a computer is really boring so on that front I am not worried. The single most useless operating system is Windows 8. If I am going to be spied on at least the operating system should be easier to use and less convoluted than Microsoft's latest crappy operating system.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. This guy only has a very small part of the picture.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:12 PM
Aug 2013

The Trusted Computing consortium was founded by AMD, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft. No one company owns this. The TPM chips (Trusted Platform Module) enables things like Bitlocker and whatever HP calls their drive encryption, etc. The TPM holds the unlock key and a hash of the hardware in the machine, so if say, someone took your laptop, they couldn't access the data on the drive unless it boots. If they pull the drive out, bam, it's unreadable to them. If they add a device to the laptop to piggy-back and grab the data, hash fails, bam, no boot.

It is also now being leveraged for DRM at the OS level too, so it does more than drive encryption.
The membership in the consortium is a lot bigger than just one company, or even the founding five:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Group#Members
Any of that hardware might leverage it under the hood. Even a TV/DVR.

On the 'China' angle, the only specifically named company that uses a China-manufactured TPM, is Lenovo, so far that I have seen.

You don't have to use the TPM to bitlocker your drive. You can still enable bitlocker with a password on boot, and not have the machine store the unlock key at all. Just go into the BIOS and turn it off, then go into Control Panels and fire up Bitlocker. You can create a password, or a 'unlock' usb key. However, it may come pre-configured on some devices, like tablets/slates. And you might not be able to turn it off.

That does not necessarily imply a backdoor, either.

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