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erpowers
(9,350 posts)Near the end when Hitler is speaking to the German Parliament and the character played by Colin Firth jumps up to start singing a German song has a touch of Animal Farm. As many may remember on most occasions when animals started to descent the supporters of Napoleon would start singing patriotic songs in order to drown out the descent.
Cirque du So-What
(25,972 posts)the primal grunting that constitutes repeated choruses of 'U-S-A! U-S-A!'
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)Oh wait... damn, I had that right the first time.
charlives
(34 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)But with a song. The Monied Elite In Germany thought they could control Hitler and the Nazi Party. We all know how that went. I end My comment with a question, If History repeated itself, would anyone notice? Good night all, and sleep soundly.
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)geefloyd46
Hitler and what he represented of evil in the hearth of Europe is in some way very interesting mostly because he was able to build up a party from scratch, using some of the worst methods in the book... And even managed to turn the german power brokers, who had been in power into small pieces of just dust in a few years... Everyone with a "brain" could have understood that Hitler was no good news, that be for the german state, or for the rest of the world. Already in 1925, when he wrote his book - he more or less was given away the blueprint for a new war in Europe.. and he told the world - or at least the ones who wanted to listen to him - that if he got into office - he would do his best to revenge the lost war in 1918 - and he would let the world pay for the fact that the old regime - the empire had fallen that deep as it did - after the monarchy was thrown out - and a new Republic was stated... The Constitution of the new Republic was not even written in Berlin, but in the relative small city of Wiemar - And the first german republic, was therefore given the name the Wiemar-Republic.. A republic few german accepted as anything else than a bad thing.. And it was not helped by the characterize that the few first years of the young republic was made into.. It was not before the 1920s that the Weimar Republic was on stable feet - and even then it took just a couple of years - before it broke down in chaos - when the economical gamble on Waal Street hit the world - and specially Germany who had been on unstable land for a long time as it was.. The Weimar Republic had used a lot of foreign credit to make way for the new improvements - and the german industry had also used a lot of credit, to make way for new industry - and so one.. The result of the 1930 crash in Germany - was that millions of germans was out of work - and wanted to blame some for it - and then Hitler, made his real debut on the scene.. He promised if he was elected Chancellor of Germany - he would make Germany a powerfully nation again - and to revenge everything bad hings that have happened since 1918...
Germany in the early 1930s was chaotic - and many feared - with justification that Germany was on the verge of an revolt - one side or another would turn against the others - and go for a revolution against the rest.... Many, if not most of the political parties in Reich tag had also their own armed fractions - who was fighting in the streets - the infamous SA was maybe one of the biggest (and Rohm had the ambition to even challenge Reich wehr for the supremacy when it came tho who should be in the new Army) And was fighting in the streets that be against conservatives - or socialist and communist....
In 1932 Hitler challenged even the President in an election.. Von Hindenburg, a marshall from the Great War - and a war hero for most germans - was up for election - and Hitler wanted to challenge the election of the president.. He lost against Hindenburg - as Hindenburg won in more or less an landslide - the Nazis was rather desperate after it was clear Hitler would not win that election.... It was not cheap to challenge the President - and in fact - NSDAP was more or less broke after that election....
But - thanks to the chaotic situation in Reich tag - where different minority governments had tried to solve the chaos the conservatives started to have a fight against them self - as they had had the powers to the Reich Chancellor for a long time - they had some of the responsibility for what happened next - as the chaotic situation just got worse - some in the back door was wondering about Hitter and the great NSDAP who after the general Elections in 1932, in fact was one of the biggest parties in the Reich tag - not exactly in majority - but close enough to challenge the validity of the government - and they did it early and late... By the end of 1932, when the chaotic situation had made it impossible to really govern Germany - many of the conservatives - with Von Papen in front deiced it might be best to possible decide if Hitler wanted the chancellery - of course in a minority government where the conservatives was in sharge... Even as Von Hindenburg at first was not exactly happy about Hitler and his movement - he was also a old man - with the early stages of Dementia - a illness who slowly was given this man who had been one of the most powerfully man in both the old regime - and the new one - a illness who would by 1934 will end him in a coffin - and a grave... By the january 30 1933 Hitler got his power - and was elected by the President of the German Reich - and with the support of the conservative parties Reich Chandler of Germany..
The rest is History - in 1933 the Reich tag was burned down - either by the order of the Nazi party itself - or by some others - Von Lubbe a Dutch criminal who had a reputation for burning down buildings - got the full blame for the burning of the Reich tag - and was executed after the fire - but it is rumored that many in the highest circles around Hitler - like Goering and Himmler was pretty in the know - that Reich tag would be burned down - and it was anyway used to make it possible for NSDAP and Hitler to give laws - that in effect turned a democratic State The Weimar Republic - into a full blown Dictatorship with Hitler at the top - and with all the terror who would follow to the end in 1945 over 12 year later....
Hitler was a evil man - a evil man who managed to turn a civilized nation like Germany into a horror state - where millions in fact supported the politic he wanted to make policy - and who was in their little way - tools in the system, to also make sure other millions was used as slaves - murdered because of what they was - not because they had been doing anything criminal - and who also waged war against most of their nabours - and a devastating war who turned most of Europe as we know it, into a big pile of ruins.... And also, as a result of that war - for more than 40 year turned Europe into to parts - one dominated by the USSR - the other dominated by France, UK and USA... The other communist (at least in name) the other capitalistic - even with the State in a whole different role than before the War... And the fear of a new catastrophic war was maybe the only reason no new war was started in Europe between 1945 and 1991....
Hopefully Europe - and the World will never experience anything like Hitler again - he was a demagogy of his own class - a man who managed to turn the world upside down in few years - and also manged to drown millions in a horrible war of murder and hate. Hitler was a man who hated as no other man have hated before... And he managed it by telling people what they wanted to be told - he managed to troll bind both the big industry - and the workers at the floor, who experienced the horrible and hardship of the 1920s and 1930s... Even as they was loosing their freedom in the 1930s - they had food on the table - and steady work - in the armament factories who was building the weapons for Hitlers wars....
Diclotican
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)You can do anything you want because who wants to side with terrorists. It is exactly how they disenfranchised communist in the Reichstag turning a minority into the majority.
strikeforce
(70 posts)before hitler stumbled upon it. hitler was ordered to check it out by his employer at the time. it took him 13 years to seize power.(1920-1933).national power that is.
the ground troops of the modern day tea party sect of the republican party are similar in some aspects to the average german of 1933.ready to be molded into whatever the cult leader chooses them to be.
don't compare the warsaw bloc to western europe.that is an insult.
they claim stalins numbers exceeded hitlers as far as mass slaughter goes.
we have experienced pol-pot, mao,idi amin,rwanda,pinochet,assad,hussein,hirohito,custer,milosevich,. the list goes on and on.
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)strikeforce
I know well about the history - from the start - when Hitler was commanded to check it up - he was at the moment a spy for the counterintelligence in the German military, because of his antics when it come to being a nationalist - who feared the communist and the socialists more than everything - as many of the conservative striped did after the chaotic revolution in 1918.....
And as you pointed out - it took Hitler, and the then NSDAP 13 years to build up a party, who was given power by the Powers to be - because no one was able, or willing to govern Germany effectively... The economical chaos of the mid 1930s also made it possible for many, many millions of other vice nice and gentle germans to want a strong man who could turn the tide - and made germany whole again.. And it was that Hitler promised - to make Germany whole again - and to let their enemies pay the price for the last war...
Stalin was a nasty man - no doubt about it - and the mass slaughters he did - from the 1920s to he died in the 1950s was nasty - and he was absolutely one of the worst leaders the USSR ever had - and his dominance of Eastern Europe is still pretty clear in most of Eastern Europe - who for the most part is poorer than then western part... And as I said - Eastern Europe was dominated by Stalin - the Western was free - mostly thanks to the help Western Europe was given by the US after the war - The Marshall plan gave Europe - at least the Western part a life line when it was needed...
The world have experienced a lot - many horrible leaders - many murderers - many who never was given accountability for their crimes - but Hitler and Stalin I would say was in their own league, when it come to murders and wars...
The scary part - as you pointed out - that the US do have their own sect, who have some of the same aspect as many germans had in 1933..... Ready to do the bidding of the "strong man" if he ever was made posible... And that scares the jebus out of me - mostly becouse the US have today the tools to make posible a horrible dictator - the patriot act alone have many of the same tools as the "emergency acts to protect the german Reich and State"...
Diclotican
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)I'm talking about Germany's home grown communists which though not strong enough to make policy might have been part of a successful block on unconditional Nazi power. Still once they were disenfranchised the minority was suddenly a majority and Hitler was being named fuhrer for life.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)In fact Karl Marx was German and his many great works had a significant influence on the German people.
I truly believe that Hitler was the free market capitalist solution to rising socialist and communist fervor against capitalism. Hitler was funded by the bushes/Prescotts and many other uber rich of the time. The uber rich in Germany thought Hitler would be the perfect choice to keep those radical leftist in their place. They couldn't have missed his race baiting of the Jewish people or his dictatorial desires. Yet the uber rich in Germany and the US funneled tons of money to Hitler to make sure he rose to power.
Follow the money and you find out who is really controlling the puppet. Hitler was never a deep thinker. His book struck me as very shallow thinking, much like Ayn Rand. Yet, he managed to mesmerize all these people. There is something else going on. It wasn't just Hitler's amazing abilities. Someone was funding him so he could hire some very deep thinkers to help him.
When I see the reels on TV of Hitler given speeches, everyone acts as if he's some wonderful speaker. But he's NOT. He's a funny looking little guy with a weird mustache and haughty manner. Nothing about him is nobel or admirable. Yet he was all dressed up with all the right trappings, saying the right things at the right time. He was doing masterful manipulation even though he had already revealed to the world what an evil little twerp he was. It was the money that made Hitler possible. It was the gobs of wealth the 1% dumped on Hitler that made him successful. It was NOT his abilities or speeches or amazing manipulation that allowed him to rise to power.
See how the 1% always provide a solution to ensure capitalism marches on, no matter what the consequences.
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)He was intelligent in his own way. And thoroughly unscrupulous. People who saw him live said he was a much better speaker than what translated on film. I'd have to believe that was true or I doubt anyone would have followed him.
strikeforce
(70 posts)"u.s. funneled tons of money to hitler" talk. that is truther-birther extreme conspiracy mumble jumble.
strikeforce
(70 posts)wasn't disenfranchised.they were slaughtered.they almost seized power;they just weren't as brutal as the stormtroopers under ernst rohm was.
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)First they were slaughtered. Then when they tried to make a come back through the legislation they were disenfranchise. Frankly, too many Germans worried a lot less about the Nazis than they did about the communists. Which is why you got the Nazis with a lot of help.
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)kind of disappeared for awhile and this movie wasn't shown again after its one time debut. Apparently you weren't the only one who it reminded of shrub.
They never labeled us liars......
gopiscrap
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formercia
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