NEWS ANCHOR COMPLETELY LOSES IT FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE REASON

[Miranda4peace]

America is being robbed. Bailouts, Subsidies, Tax breaks, Outsourcing etc America is being plundered by the banks. They have capitalized on a crisis they created.

Houses all over the country that have been foreclosed on, are now being rented out at exorbitant rates by banks who created the housing crisis. Wages have plummeted. More people are doing more work for less money as layoffs continue and positions are combined. Inflation is rampant, even fully employed households are struggling to pay bills and keep food in the fridge. Seniors are choosing between medication and gas. AMERICA HAS BEEN PLUNDERED AND THE CONSERVATIVES ARE THRILLED!

[blue14u]

1. He is exactly on point..

Americans need to wake up and tell our President

this is what "WE THE PEOPLE" want and we want it now!!!

[Miranda4peace]

4. Exactly and everyone(Average non millionaires)wants and needs the same thing

Even the conservatives, unfortunately, they believe they are the only deserving ones.

LIVEABLE WAGES, AFFORDABLE NECESSITIES, ACCESS TO LUXURIES(THE LABORERS DESERVE THE BEST)!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

2. No apology necessary

Our country IS being plundered and we are living through the Shock Doctrine.

Any HofR member who leaves Washington before something is done to stop this madness deserves to be removed. And if that means arrest, so be it. Otherwise, it will only get worse. We are living through a bloodless coup.

[Xipe Totec]

3. False fucking equivalence

again.

This "Democrats and Republicans are to blame" meme is unmitigated bullshit.

Thank you for playing.

[Miranda4peace]

5. What about his statement was incorrect?

[Xipe Totec]

6. That the Democrats are just kicking the can down the road

That, somehow, the mess we're in is equally the fault of Republicans and Democrats.

Why do you ask?

[Miranda4peace]

8. Because you used such strong language and didn't qualify it.

Nafta, WTO, Raiding Social Security, Tax Cuts, Subsidies, Bailouts, etc were supported BY BOTH PARTIES.

I can think of one Senator, Sanders, who is about the only person advocating anything worthwhile. Meanwhile everyone else is worried about "negotiating" with business, banks and LOBBYISTS.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Yes, yes, yes. When Republicans are in retreat, they blame EVERYONE.

Try to shift the blame to both parties.

And hey, if the guy is going off the rails with his rant. Don't expect me to hold back and mealy mouth my reply.

This is DU.

[Miranda4peace]

11. I don't expect you to hold your mouth, quite the contrary.

I was hoping you would explain to me how both parties aren't responsible for the things I listed, that BOTH PARTIES VOTED FOR!

NAFTA, WTO COMMITMENTS(OUTSOURCING, UNEMPLOYMENT, DEPRESSED WAGES), BAILOUTS, SUBSIDIES, TAX CUTS ETC.

I just don't see how any solution is going to present itself if we pretend one party, that had a majority, is given a free pass.

[cui bono]

29. I agree with your posts. (didn't watch the video yet, looks like Dylan Rattigan, in which case

it is an old video. He railed against everyone a lot during the OWS days and he was right.)

To think Dems haven't done anything towards this is ignorant.

Welcome to DU!

[kenfrequed]

32. Well for starters...

1) GATT, WTO and NAFTA were largely supported by a pack of Conservative democrats that reached across the aisle and made deals with republicans.

Progressive Democrats and the base of the democratic party has always been suspicious of free trade agreements. By suggesting that in your 'pox on both houses' list you blur the lines considerably.

It is also worth pointing out that many of the blue dog democrats that were free trade fanatics are now out of office and have taken up lobbying as their occuption.

2) Even moderate to conservative Democrats have come out in favor of an increase to the federal minimum wage.

3) The Bailout was started under a republican and continued under a Democrat. Ideally that should have come with a lot of strings and regulations attached that would have assured better lending practices and reformed wallstreet. Again, the blue dogs and republicans united to hamstring reform.

4) etc. etc

Rather than blaming parties why not actually look at the root of the POLICY you are describing? That policy is supply side economics and trickle down crap. Surely you can get more done by pointing that out than this lame "pox on both houses crap"

But as was said earlier by a more articulate poster (and what I have observed in conservatives in some of my social groups) is that when conservatives start losing they start making equivalency arguments and ranting about how both parties are to blame. It is childish, unnuanced, and not terribly thoughtful or useful.

Supply side economics, free market fundamentalism, and plutocracy are the real enemies and one part stands above all for more of that crap.

[Miranda4peace]

33. The facts don't support your arguement.

Nafta vote

Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---61
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
*Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boren (D-OK)
Bradley (D-NJ)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brown (R-CO)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Chafee (R-RI)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coverdell (R-GA)
Danforth (R-MO)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeConcini (D-AZ)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-KS)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durenberger (R-MN)
Gorton (R-WA)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
Mathews (D-TN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mitchell (D-ME)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nickles (R-OK)
Nunn (D-GA)
Packwood (R-OR)
Pell (D-RI)
Pressler (R-SD)
Pryor (D-AR)
Robb (D-VA)
Roth (R-DE)
Simon (D-IL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Specter (R-PA)
Wallop (R-WY)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---38
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (D-CO)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Ford (D-KY)
Glenn (D-OH)
Heflin (D-AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Reid (D-NV)
Riegle (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sasser (D-TN)
Shelby (D-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wofford (D-PA)

Not Voting - 1
Dorgan (D-ND)

Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---61
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
*Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boren (D-OK)
Bradley (D-NJ)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brown (R-CO)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Chafee (R-RI)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coverdell (R-GA)
Danforth (R-MO)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeConcini (D-AZ)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-KS)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durenberger (R-MN)
Gorton (R-WA)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
Mathews (D-TN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mitchell (D-ME)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nickles (R-OK)
Nunn (D-GA)
Packwood (R-OR)
Pell (D-RI)
Pressler (R-SD)
Pryor (D-AR)
Robb (D-VA)
Roth (R-DE)
Simon (D-IL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Specter (R-PA)
Wallop (R-WY)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---38
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (D-CO)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Ford (D-KY)
Glenn (D-OH)
Heflin (D-AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Reid (D-NV)
Riegle (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sasser (D-TN)
Shelby (D-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wofford (D-PA)

[kenfrequed]

34. A few things here

1) you have not counted or sorted the votes by party.

2) you have not ascertained which democrats tht did vote for Nafta were blue dogs.



Basically you really haven't presented much more than a set of lists without elaboration or proper commentary. A cursory glance indicated to me that most of those that voted against Nafta were in fact democrats. So actually your position is the one that is completely invalidated.

The fact that ANYONE voted against it kills your argument completely!

[Miranda4peace]

35. BIDEN IS VICE PRESIDENT, KERRY IS CONSIDERED A DEM-GOD, BOTH VOTED YEA!!!!!

It is one piece of legislation among many. They fact that REPUBLICANS AND DEMS voted against it means nothing when they voted for other dumb shit and pork spending.
I don't worship parties, and don't care to continue debating with someone who does.

[demwing]

15. This video is of Dylan Rattigan from August 2011

He is not referring to the current shutdown and potential debt default.

He is taking a very similar position to OWS, calling out both the right and the left, and he's absolutely correct.

This wasn't false equivalency. It was simply equivalency.

[drynberg]

30. Agreed. House cleaning needed at a massive scale...however, the Fringe Bagger Movement is the

Current issue that must be faced and revealed. In the latest time frame, I see the Baggers as the Problem which must be "solved", then we move on to the larger problem the Dylan Rattigan so fiercely explained.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. That was from the last debt ceiling debate 2 years ago

before Dems realized the "we TOLD you so" the netroots was screaming about playing along with GOP hostage taking - that it would just encourage more of the same. Here in the fall of 2013 - we were right (not that it took a magic 8-ball to come to that obvious conclusion). Kudos to Reid and Obama for standing their ground this go-round, even though we are watching our foreign allies and investors backing off in droves because this country has proven that we will allow the screaming 2 year olds to control the conversation yet once again (looking at you, GOP).

Ratigan is off the air now and moved from NYC to CA where he is funding a massive hydroponic/organic farming initiative. Dude had a Libertarian streak (likely his years on CNBC before moving to MSNBC) & he was heading for a coronary after he moved from finance to politics. Glad he is happy now. I miss his voice - even if I did't always agree with him.

[gopiscrap]

7. Good for him!

[SlipperySlope]

10. Wow!

Great rant.

[Jim__]

12. When is that from? The DOW is at 11249.

It was above 15000 all day today and above 14000 for some time. Any date on that video?

[AtheistCrusader]

14. Before it went off the air June 22, last year.

Probably during the housing/lending crisis.

He's gone on to live in a 1933 wood cabin, and be a farmer. He's done with cable news.

[demwing]

16. August 2011

see my post above

[MNBrewer]

25. I saw him and thought "him again"?

[Ruby the Liberal]

19. Debt ceiling debate 2011

He was warning that if we allow the GOP to take the country hostage, that will become their MO on every initiative.

[Jim__]

20. Thanks.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. He would HATE the solution which is to radically increase taxes all over the world on the RICH....

This NONSENSE of them CRYING about a 3% increase is RIDICULOUS.

They act like their taxes have NEVER been over 30% when they've been up and down CONSTANTLY including 97%.

[tomm2thumbs]

17. Saw this clip when it first aired in 2011 - Dylan's answer is for the President to give a speech

First he puts blame on Obama's shoulders. Please. Then I have to laugh when asked 'then what should he do as President?' he says to 'give a speech' ( basically at 2:05 and at 3:33 )

Hmmmm Dylan.... I think the Congress Tax Revolt Nutjobs aren't going to respond to a speech, then or now.

I used to enjoy Dylan but seeing this clip reminds me of his rantings which often threw blame where it didn't belong.

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. When I saw this back then

about kicking the can to 2017 - my immediate thought was false equivalency and his Libertarian streak. Before I posted it in the video forum, I watched it a few more times to be certain, and decided I was wrong. Even if he didn't realize it at the time, I came to the idea that his frustration was in that the GOP was setting precedence on how they would negotiate going forward if they forced us to show our hands. He may not have realized it at the time either, but whatever he sensed - he was right and here we are again, but 2.25 years later.

[munster69]

22. Foreign oil companies are extracting all of our oil

and we don't get a penny of that either.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

28. Hey, they give back...

just look at all the oil BP put in our waters and on our beaches.

[4bucksagallon]

23. The problem is the money, but to blame both parties equally........Nahh

That's where he lost me. Sure the "D's" have some responsibility but he should have called out the "R's" for what they are Anti-American.
It will get worse with the Citizens United BS, the Kochhead's are multibillionaires.

[zeemike]

26. Well you got your good cop and you got your bad cop.

One is definatly better than the other...but if you think one is working for you then you are mistaken...they both are employed by the same people.
In the case of congress it is big money, on which they depend to keep their jobs, just like the cops.
Like the man says, until we get money out of politics they are not working for us and acting in our best interest...we need to recognize this before anything will change.

[Dustlawyer]

27. Finally, someone who gets it! Our electoral system and the Plutocracy is to blame!

We allow legal bribery to determine our "Representatives," a term I use loosely since most, not all, are bought and paid for. Citizens United made it even worse. The U.S. chamber of Commerce has been working for 30 plus years getting RW Judges and local, state, and national politicians elected! Our media is mostly owned by fewer than 10 corporations. Why do you think 3 out of 4 major corporations pay zero in taxes? They have the tax code written for them.
We need publicly funded elections which would be no easy feat to achieve. This is the ROOT CAUSE of most of our problems! Dylan screwed up and spoke the truth, I think this rant was the beginning of the end for him. I never get tired of watching it though!

[blkmusclmachine]

24. Republican Economic Terrorism. (my k&r statement for the day)

[02potato]

31. Once again "the loudest voice is always right"

[Quantess]

36. Actually it's rare that the loudest voice has anything worthwhile to say.

But, whatever.