Keystone Debate on the Ed Show

[greenman3610]

With Joe Romm and Josh Fox

[90-percent]

1. I'm confused?

Doesn't the oil end up going outside the USA, doing absolutely nothing to contribute to America's Energy needs?

Isn't America's rapacious appetite for oil fueled in large part by big oil's need to make massive profits, which is best done by maintaining the status quo? Doesn't Europe's current achievements on alternate energy prove that we also could start to beat down our oil addiction?

Isn't this thing just going to create merely 50 to 100 new jobs for America?

In the end, won't this be a benefit only to a few oil companies and the .01% that run them? At serious risk to our environment for the entire length of the pipeline?

-90% Jimmy

[liberalmike27]

3. Yea No Matter Where it is

When you are talking oil, it is tossed into the world pool. So while it has a bit of an effect, it would have far more if we had to use it here. "It's best for the corporations, not Americans, so what did you think!?" (ha) "Doing the best thing for actual Americans, and not to stuff the pockets of already vastly wealthy people and oil corporations, imagine that!" "That's just crazy talk!"

Seriously I watch Ed, but he has really been pinching my last nerve pushing this one, foisting this BS onto America. I loved it when the guy called out his bogus study. That look on his face, of the kid with his hand in the cookie jar--priceless. He'd been caught in his lie. Then the other thing, when both pointed out he was selling a "false dichotomy" which I was saying in a facebook thread yesterday. It isn't either ship it on rail, or pump it through a pipeline. WE could not do it at all, they could refine it there and ship it in double-hulled trucks, there are many, many alternatives, not the least of which, just not shipping it at all, or pulling the nasty, gritty stuff from the ground.

How about spending money on pushing us more quickly into solar and wind, and ushering folks, at least locally, into electric and hybrid vehicles.

[handmade34]

2. Ed is on the wrong side of this one

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. It's not surprising if you know his history....

Originally, he was a radio talk show guy who did a PERFECT impression of Rush Limbaugh's voice.

The ONLY reason he went "Liberal" was because he would have been sued if he was on the Right since his show format was identical to the Limbaugh Show. He was a curiosity with that act. It was like a Bizzaro World where Limbaugh switched sides.

His behind the scenes attitudes betrayed it all as an act especially when he would appear on a panel with the likes of Mike Malloy, Stephenie Miller, Peter Werbe, etc.

[GoneFishin]

4. I listen to Ed a lot. He is wrong on this one. Sad and frustrating.

They are trying to pump this crap through the U.S. because canadians to the canadian east and west coasts don't want this shit being pumped through their territories either. It is not our problem, and americans that promote the self-serving industry talking points are sellouts.

[florida08]

5. yeah we heard him

Husband turns him off when he starts that stuff. Let them build it in Canada

[HoosierCowboy]

6. Build XL keep the oil at home for ten years...

....the first thing the USA needs to do is get the foreign oil monkey off our backs. In about ten years, Peak Oil will be here and we should be off major oil imports.

[panfluteman]

7. Let's Have a Groovy Keystone Teach-In!

Yep, I certainly agree with you guys in that the Keystone Pipeline is dirty, dangerous and bad for the climate. In the various heated debates I've seen about this issue, people are already too quick to jump to their conclusions and rattle off the bottom line statistics, no matter what their source, whether it be for or against big oil, may be. They say that it's dirty and dangerous, and back it up with statistics from their source. But I'd like to know more about exactly how it is dirty and dangerous; Joe Romm spoke a little about that, but I would have liked a longer, fuller explanation. James Hansen says it would be game over for the climate, and anti-pipeline people rattle off statistics from their sources on that. But I've heard precious little about how the increased carbon emissions with tar sands oil are actually happening, where they are coming from, and the like. So, I have proposed a groovy, 60s style solution: Let's have a Tar Sands Teach-In!

This whole Keystone XL debate is also kind of like the out of control alcoholic trying to figure out how much more alcohol he can drink and still save his liver, or remain alive. In beating any addiction or quitting any bad habit, the best time to start is always NOW!

[handmade34]

15. OK

let's have that teach-in... but in the meantime HALT the construction of the pipeline!!!!


http://nextgenclimate.org/KeystoneTruth/

[drynberg]

8. Now, Ed just told us he knows what he is doing. And he also said the State Dept. Report is True.

So, how many think Ed is sold out? He is just not credible to me at all. Bye, Ed.

[mc51tc]

9. Bye, bye Ed!

You lost me on this issue. You are a sell out and your conservative roots are coming out again.

[GoneFishin]

10. He keeps going back to the "safety" issue, and how we have no alternative. That's lame. Easy answer-

Since we don't get the oil anyway, keep it in canada.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. Funny how those train wrecks happened as the pipeline debate shifted to a "safety issue"....

Never occurred to the media to investigate the wrecks for anything fishy...

Passenger train - No problem

Freight train full of food - No problem

Freight train full of cars from Japan headed to dealerships - No problem

Load of oil - Nuke-like fireballs for the news cameras...

[GoneFishin]

20. I never put it together. With hundreds of billions of $$ at stake it would be well worth it

to stage a show for the cameras.

Or any other manipulation tactic they can think of.

[BodieTown]

12. A Shill for Corporatists

Used to listen to him all the time, but he's now on permanent silence in my world.

Had to turn this off after hearing him tell us how much cleaner it is to "go pipeline" than to "go rail".

It's very much like our "lesser of two evils" choices in elections.

Face it: Ed is on the side of the Kochs.

[bullwinkle428]

14. His main talking point got DESTROYED at the end of his show today!

He was interviewing a guy from an environmental group (I'm sorry, I don't recall his name), and the guy said flat out that the Bakken Shale oil would NOT be going through the Keystone XL pipeline; something that Ed had been insisting all along. The guest said that the oil producers in the Bakken shale CHOOSE to ship the oil by rail, as that gives them the flexibility to send it to whatever refiner is willing to pay the most, whether they're on the east coast, west coast, gulf coast, wherever.

Ed sounded like a balloon that was getting deflated...he was absolutely crestfallen. All the wind had been taken out of his sails! The only bad thing was that this took place at the end of his show. I wonder how fired up he's going to be on today's TV show.

[suzanner]

16. I give Ed some slack; maybe we can change his mind

if we work on it. There have been a couple issues he was off track on and let go eventually.Ordinarily, Ed's been a trooper, done some heavy lifting in the public interest.

[drynberg]

17. I don't give him "slack"...our Climate is at stake and he's sold out...sorry.

[RoccoR5955]

18. Ed has stated himself, that he used to be a RepubliCON.

It appears to me that he is going back to his roots on this issue.
I never did like him, he always was a corporatist AFAIC.
Corporations are already making too much money, taking everything, and giving back little or nothing to society.
It's about time we stood up for the environment, our society, and our species as a whole.
No pipeline, no way, no how.
We should start looking at how this will effect future generations if we do not get off of the fossil fuel habit soon.
If the money that is being spent on the pipeline, and other fossil fuel resources, was spent on renewable energy, we would have solar panels on every house, windmills in every back yard, geothermal HVAC everywhere, and utilizing localized, small scale hydro, as well as tidal power, and we would not need oil within two years.

[GoneFishin]

19. Does anyone know what Rachael's take on Keystone XL is? Wondering if Ed is

getting any pressure from NBC.