Investor rules, NAFTA as the template for TPP

[BainsBane]

The recently disclosed chapter of the TPP negotiations appear to be much like Chapter 11 of NAFTA, that Bill Moyers covered more than a decade ago in the documentary "Trading Democracy." This gives a sense of how the extra-judicial arbitration boards work. They operate outside the justice systems of the three member nations of NAFTA, and their decisions cannot be appealed in any national high court.

[KoKo]

1. Recommend...

[Overseas]

2. K&R! This shows why we need to defeat TPP.

We were told NAFTA would help raise environmental standards and labor standards in other countries and create hundreds of thousands of new jobs here at home.

Those have been proven false.

We are being told the TPP will be great and open up new markets to us. It will only be great for Multi-National Corporations to overrule local governments.

[BainsBane]

3. You know how the GOP worries about how treaties will override national sovereignty

Like in the case of the international disability treaty? This is a case where it is clear that our laws are in effect abrogated by a treaty. Shouldn't they oppose it on those grounds? Or will the demands of capital supersede all other concerns?

[Overseas]

4. In NAFTA Chapter 11, the demands of capital supersede democracy.

Yet I remember at the time being told that NAFTA would lift all boats. It was sold on very rosy terms and we who opposed it were called old fashioned.

I can't believe that with the evidence from NAFTA Chapter 11, any Democrats would support the TPP.

[midnight]

8. Demands of capital supersede democracy reminds me of that phrase the last president use to say Money

trumps peace.

[BainsBane]

10. Bush?

When?

[midnight]

12. Yes that was from Bush 2. Sometime when he was in office and probably tired of

explaining why he had to do so many horrible things.

[BainsBane]

9. A key problem is that with the decline of unions

The political pressure to oppose these deals is greatly diminished.

[midnight]

11. That is why they had to lie about destroying them...

[drynberg]

5. Are you feeling ill from following this "trade" deal? As was already said, this is precisely why

We need to not participate in the TPP. But how does this defeat happen? One idea I have is to write in the local newspaper, letter to the editor. Join groups against TPP. Donate $$ to their cause...but act now, please.

[father founding]

6. here we go again

NAFTA and the TPP are so fucking unconstitutional. and yet both proffered by Democratic Presidents. With friends like these, who needs Hillary.

[blkmusclmachine]

7. "Democrats"