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Obama is invited to visit a site to see what three decades of failed trade policy looks like. (Original Post) midnight Jun 2015 OP
After that he can Bring His But to imthevicar Jun 2015 #1
Went to Jersey last year to visit family d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #14
Obama is a trade imperialist. ananda Jun 2015 #26
Sadly I have to agree. More and more he's showing what he's really about IMO! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #30
With his gun-ho approach to TPP and fast track d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #37
I wonder the exact same thing. He has handed very few economic wins to us working stiffs, and GoneFishin Jun 2015 #42
I think this is a great talking point. It should be used to slow down this bill. midnight Jun 2015 #48
Its more than a talking point. Its reality. d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #54
+1 Sorry to hear this but know it's true, same for parts of NE, Midwest, South et al. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #50
Fill In The Blanks with votesparks Jun 2015 #2
Precisely. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #18
Buffalo, Camden, Balto., Cleveland, Columbus, Akron, Toldeo, St. Louis & on. Heartbreaking. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #40
Question is, does he really care? n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #3
By the way he's pushing for fast tracking the TPP, imthevicar Jun 2015 #9
He talks a good talk. Yeah, "a resounding NO!" These deals always work for the big guys, but the RKP5637 Jun 2015 #16
Here is a list of our elected officials to express our point of view on this matter... midnight Jun 2015 #46
Obviously he doesn't care. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #19
This country needs a financial shakeup to empower the little people, otherwise, it's RKP5637 Jun 2015 #29
A few days ago there was a great pic of the people in Spain. They all came to the streets and midnight Jun 2015 #47
We need a major turnaround in the US. I am hoping 2016 might help! Thanks for the RKP5637 Jun 2015 #49
I think that photo at this link says it all for me. midnight Jun 2015 #55
Or, he doesn't care enough... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #52
It started with Clinton, and now Obama wants his version of these failed policies too. RKP5637 Jun 2015 #4
Failed landscape is right. Dystopian neofeudalism also works as in the film 'Elysium' (2013) appalachiablue Jun 2015 #35
Thanks for the link! The timing is incredible. I was just starting RKP5637 Jun 2015 #39
The corporate consolidation of the Media into 5-6 major conglomerates that produce appalachiablue Jun 2015 #45
Great short video, it's important to watch this one Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #5
Detroit, nuff said nt newfie11 Jun 2015 #6
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #20
The 1% always use a Democratic president StopTheNeoCons Jun 2015 #7
They use Democratic Presidents to do a lot of bad stuff. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #21
Yep, they fund whoever will do their bidding. Lot's of people still don't get it that RKP5637 Jun 2015 #32
Wow. That was powerful MissDeeds Jun 2015 #8
K & R. I can't recommend this video enough. What a portrait of the vitality appalachiablue Jun 2015 #10
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #22
Americans are severely propagandized and bamboozled, and are too trusting. The guys RKP5637 Jun 2015 #25
The elites have no plan except their own profits and unfortunately many of our appalachiablue Jun 2015 #38
We are very lucky to have them! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #41
We are so lucky with them, for sure. Just think if they weren't here, what a thought- good Lord. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #43
Thanks! I'll watch 'Elysium' for sure! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #44
This man has to have nerves of steel to tolerate what midnight Jun 2015 #51
The people up there breathing LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #11
That's the entirety of their economic theory. "We've got it too good." Enthusiast Jun 2015 #23
The crooks have bought the US government and now have free rein to do what the F they please. RKP5637 Jun 2015 #27
I'm with you! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #28
Absolutely, corps rule and people are nuisances and pests. That is until they're gone appalachiablue Jun 2015 #34
You Americans have it good, you have TVs (and refrigerators). I've actually heard this appalachiablue Jun 2015 #31
I have heard them. They (Limbaugh and the rest) tell their listeners the fact that people have Enthusiast Jun 2015 #36
The trade policies not only hurt American workers... mountain grammy Jun 2015 #12
Instead of representing the oligarchs at Nike headquarters...... raindaddy Jun 2015 #13
Correct. n/t Enthusiast Jun 2015 #17
K&R! This should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #15
K&R raindaddy Jun 2015 #24
I agree.... Thanks.... midnight Jun 2015 #57
Great post Midnight. A moving, beautiful record of the Golden Age USA. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #33
Thank you for this information. Lizzy Warren sums up our greatest period as when glass-steagall midnight Jun 2015 #58
Damn, this is right... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #53
It is a reality that does need some better recognition. midnight Jun 2015 #56
Powerful And To The Point - Obama - HRC - No Where To Be Found cantbeserious Jun 2015 #59

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
14. Went to Jersey last year to visit family
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jun 2015

I have never seen so many empty factories in my entire life! Obama needs to take a road trip around the former working capitals of the USA to see what "Free Trade" actually costs.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
26. Obama is a trade imperialist.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

Workers and factories at home are basically irrelevant
to the imperial aims of global corporate fascism.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
37. With his gun-ho approach to TPP and fast track
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

Yeah. He sold out. I wonder if the other laws he's passed through executive order that affect government workers is just window dressing for TPP. Once that thing passes it can repeal everything he's done.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
42. I wonder the exact same thing. He has handed very few economic wins to us working stiffs, and
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jun 2015

maybe those few were only agreed to with the knowledge that they might be snatched back under the terms of TPP.

Keystone XL and Net Neutrality both come to mind.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
54. Its more than a talking point. Its reality.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015

To see stories about closed factories due to "free trade" and then seeing them up close is pretty scary. That and the rusty guard rails that cover the highways up there should be a wake up call that the president needs to invest in America and not transnational corporations.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
50. +1 Sorry to hear this but know it's true, same for parts of NE, Midwest, South et al.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jun 2015

No replacement jobs except the burger flipping industry or clerking if you can get a position. A couple weeks ago, after the Baltimore disruption one of Bill Maher's guests was a Balto. resident. He mentioned that CVS won't even hire blacks in that neighborhood because they think they, or their f&f will steal stuff. That was very ugly to hear.

Walmart has been the largest US employer for some time and the majority of the workers are women who are hardworking yet receive low pay. Can someone remind me what Hillary did for the workers when she was on the W Board of Directors?

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
40. Buffalo, Camden, Balto., Cleveland, Columbus, Akron, Toldeo, St. Louis & on. Heartbreaking.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

There were so many factories that a person could leave one and walk across the street and get another job if they wanted, as one expert put it. And the auto industry supported one in six jobs in America at one time I read.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
16. He talks a good talk. Yeah, "a resounding NO!" These deals always work for the big guys, but the
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jun 2015

majority of Americans, millions and millions and millions get screwed. When it comes to big $$$$$'s often R=D=I.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
46. Here is a list of our elected officials to express our point of view on this matter...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.house.gov/representatives/


Please go to this link and find your rep and call.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
29. This country needs a financial shakeup to empower the little people, otherwise, it's
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

going to be the SOS forever. The only person I hear that gets it is Bernie Sanders! I've been very disillusioned by Obama.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
47. A few days ago there was a great pic of the people in Spain. They all came to the streets and
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:04 PM - Edit history (1)

said that this is how it is done. Those people then ran for office and won.

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/big-protest-spain-against-government-austerity



People react in front of the city town building to support the leader of leftist coalition Barcelona Together, Ada Colau, after been elected as Barcelona's new mayor in Barcelona, Spain, Saturday, June 13, 2015. Spain's biggest cities, Madrid and Barcelona, have swear in far-left mayors Saturday in one of the nation's biggest political upheavals in years. The new mayors promise to cut their own salaries, halt homeowner evictions and eliminate perks enjoyed by the rich and famous.


http://news.yahoo.com/photos/people-react-front-city-town-building-support-leader-photo-195248061.html


Look at photo at link....

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
52. Or, he doesn't care enough...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jun 2015

He's living in that tiny radius of accomplishments influenced long ago that something was going to be better than nothing.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
4. It started with Clinton, and now Obama wants his version of these failed policies too.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jun 2015

It's a recipe for making most Americans live in a failed landscape. Trouble is when you say this, many dems jump all over you. When it comes to big $$$$$'s the majority of the citizens lose. TPTB really can't feel the pain. There is a lot of lip service, but most people never feel the pain of others unless in their shoes. Fortunately, the dems in congress are getting it and voted it down. When Obama has to look for republicans to side with him and support him, at least to me, that is very telling about TPP.


appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
35. Failed landscape is right. Dystopian neofeudalism also works as in the film 'Elysium' (2013)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jun 2015

with Matt Damon, to use a H.wood analogy. Scary sh*t.

'Elysium' 2013 movie, Matt Damon, Jodie Foster

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
39. Thanks for the link! The timing is incredible. I was just starting
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

to watch "Assault on Wall Street." It seems very good, made 2013. And then I saw this discussion on DU.

Yeah, it is Scary sh*t. I don't know how it's going to end up, but it's far from over. The same crap is going on, they just play a better game now.

My hunch is for the majority of Americans it is not going to end up very well. I've traveled over a far part of the US and have seen many destroyed cities and towns. You tube, of course, has a lot on it.

Problem is, MSM works hard to keep it all out of sight, out of mind. These guys at the top are riding by the seat of their pants. They have no idea what to do for the masses, so they work the deals to enhance their wealth and the collective wealth of probably the top 20% or so of the US, but millions and millions of people are going to financially suffer through no fault of their own.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
45. The corporate consolidation of the Media into 5-6 major conglomerates that produce
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

90% of what we read, hear and see in the last 20 years happened due to elimination of the Fairness Doctrine and avoidance of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act by Reagan and the 1996 Telecom Act which lifted the rules on media ownership. It was deregulation and then consolidation, 90s- early 2000s style for the Media giants, just like the Big Banks that were deregulated and then consolidated into institutions that are larger, more powerful and dangerous than ever.

The banks will fall anytime as they are heavy, fragile, never reformed after 2008 and still engaged in risky financial speculation. Warning; follow economist Nouriel Roubini, the Prophet who forecast the last Crash, and Thom Hartmann's book, "The Crash of 2016".

Yes, many Americans are so uninformed about what's going on all over the country and world, intentionally by the M$M. Otherwise if they knew they might unite, to fight it. Somewhere I just read that only 10% of our population has a computer, still a source of alternative news IF you know where to look.

For different POVS there's international TV broadcasts on satellite. A poster here recently commented that in Europe their press isn't completely taken over yet so people are still able to read and learn about what's actually taking place (minus the influence of Murdoch & News Corp). That's terrific, unlike here-

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
32. Yep, they fund whoever will do their bidding. Lot's of people still don't get it that
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jun 2015

when it comes to big $$$$$'s often R=D=I.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
8. Wow. That was powerful
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jun 2015

Obama and everyone else who has the power to vote on the trade policy should see this, but I doubt any of them will take the ninety seconds to see the devastating impact it could have on American workers.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
10. K & R. I can't recommend this video enough. What a portrait of the vitality
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jun 2015

and production that once characterized Baltimore and so many other thriving US cities and communities. Offshoring and the loss of jobs particularly since NAFTA and in the last 15 years when 60,000 factories were sent overseas has left these places and people almost completely abandoned and vulnerable to poverty, crime and hopelessness.

What is the plan for post industrial America in the neoliberal corporate age, I've yet to see any organized effort to assist and rebuild cities like Balto., Trenton, Camden, Buffalo, Dayton, Detroit and many others beyond some urban efforts to develop commercial downtown centers with stores, hotels, restaurants, high end condos and tourist attractions based on service sector jobs that are largely low wage.

A few days ago I watched a video of Pulitzer prize author Chris Hedges speaking on his new book, "Wages of Rebellion". When he commented that the loss of manufacturing in this country took the vertebrae- the spine was ripped out of this country, he was absolutely right. And now we are expected to support the TPP and listen to Larry Summers, the Wall Street banker alarm us that if it's not passed it's doom for America.

Truthdig, "Wages of Rebellion", Chris Hedges new book.
http://www.truthdig.com/tag/wages_of_rebellion

Chris Hedges talks about his new book in Olympia, Washington, March 9, 2015



RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
25. Americans are severely propagandized and bamboozled, and are too trusting. The guys
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

at the top have no plan. The smart ones know where all of this is headed given the current direction. They are protecting their assets. The little people in the new US are screwed. Many were before, but now many more are joining. Most Americans could not survive without their paycheck for a couple of months, and retirement for most is going to be a very unpleasant experience.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
38. The elites have no plan except their own profits and unfortunately many of our
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

elected representatives are corrupted and benefit from the same system so they won't and can't advocate for us, the people like they should. Who speaks for our welfare genuinely, for 30 years? Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson at the top. They're vital if a small voice in the corporate universe unless and until things change.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
43. We are so lucky with them, for sure. Just think if they weren't here, what a thought- good Lord.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

I haven't heard of the new Wall Street movie you mentioned, will check it out, thanks. 'Elysium' is well done, and a very scary possibility. The 2nd time I saw it entirely the message really came through, and it's ugly and devastating considering what we're used to- brrrr!

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
11. The people up there breathing
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jun 2015

the rarefied air seem to think we have to bring America down in order to bring other countries up. They think we're not desperate enough. We've got it too good. We need elected officials who serve the people here, not the corporations and not the rest of the world.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. That's the entirety of their economic theory. "We've got it too good."
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jun 2015

They're gonna show us!

This is what happens when Wall Street is not held accountable for their crimes.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
27. The crooks have bought the US government and now have free rein to do what the F they please.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jun 2015

This is no longer "we the people" in the US, but now "we the corporations" in USA, Inc. Any not seeing that just don't F'en get it, or are on the take.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
34. Absolutely, corps rule and people are nuisances and pests. That is until they're gone
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

or imprisoned out of sight and paid $1.50 a day to labor invisibly, quietly and confined in correctional institutions. The system is a very lucrative industry for the privateers who operate it and the contractors who service it. Thanks Bubba.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
31. You Americans have it good, you have TVs (and refrigerators). I've actually heard this
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jun 2015

from some old, RW CoC and think tank businessmen who fill too much of CSPAN's programming anymore. Warning serfs- it could be worse! How can the establishment be so lame and think we're so clueless to continue to send out the repulsive Larry Summers whose trail of blunders and involvement in corporate greed is a mile long. That it's Recession over, return to business as usual is clear for this crowd who rules. And btw, what does Goldman think?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
36. I have heard them. They (Limbaugh and the rest) tell their listeners the fact that people have
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

refrigerators, microwaves and TVs proves they are not poor. Yes, our standard of living is higher than Vietnam's. Let's keep it that way!

You can get used microwaves, TVs and refrigerators for practically nothing in this country. As a matter of fact the TV I am currently using was free because the donor got a new one. My stove was free and almost brand new. My fridge and microwave were new but low priced. Hey, I do have a kick ass stereo that wasn't free.

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
12. The trade policies not only hurt American workers...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jun 2015

People are living and working in squalor for multinational corporations in third world countries. People are abused and suffer enormously all in the name of the almighty dollar, kind of like America before unions.
The corporations claim they are lifting up third world populations, but there is plenty of evidence that what the corps are doing is exploiting poor nations so we can buy a shirt for $10 and they can make huge profits.

Trade is essential for nations to coexist in some form of peace. But in the corporate world, trade is nothing but profit driven, with not a care in the world for human beings or the environment. Governments who buy the corporate trade pacts are selling out their people, whether in America or Indonesia.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
13. Instead of representing the oligarchs at Nike headquarters......
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

we need a president who'll represent American workers and talk about our failed trade policies at Sparrow's Point...

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
15. K&R! This should have hundreds of recommendations!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jun 2015

These trade deals have done nothing for the American working people. Nothing!

We can have successful competitive manufacturing here. If greed was not standing in the way we could have it.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
33. Great post Midnight. A moving, beautiful record of the Golden Age USA.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jun 2015

The French have a term for it, the 'Trente Glorieuses', the thirty year period, 1945-1975 when France grew in industry and advanced because the post WWII Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and other factors. The prosperity began to decline in the 1970s with the oil crisis and other international policy decisions. French economist Thomas Piketty refers to it in his landmark new book, "Capitalism in the 21st Century".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trente_Glorieuses

midnight

(26,624 posts)
58. Thank you for this information. Lizzy Warren sums up our greatest period as when glass-steagall
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jun 2015

was in place... When they started removing it, it lead us to all the finical crisis..


Nearly a year ago (on July 11, 2013), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) introduced the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act of 2013, which is described on her Senate website as:

A bill to reduce risks to the financial system by limiting banks' ability to engage in certain risky activities and limiting conflicts of interest, to reinstate certain Glass-Steagall Act protections that were repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, and for other purposes.

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/elizabeth-warren-champions-bill-to-restore-glass-steagall-act-and-rein-in-wall-street/18726-elizabeth-warren-champions-bill-to-restore-glass-steagall-act-and-rein-in-wall-street

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