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(16,350 posts)Just try, Governor. Just give it one good try.
What is up with that woman???
calimary
(81,527 posts)blm
(113,109 posts)She promised to raise their voices above the voices of people of color and goodwill. Making promises like that gets you elected in SC and other southern states.
And I am going to make sure to spread that fact as often as possible.
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)blm
(113,109 posts)she would leave it exactly where it was. She had turned down the request by NAACP to remove it.
That flag represents the voice of racists and supremacists. By standing with the flag she stands with the supremacists.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-ceos
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)my judgement because I could not image that scenario but now that I see she is non-black I understand completely.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She has a very, well, vibrant history. Google her name, followed by "affair" and you'll be reading all night!
Here's a link to get you started...
http://theweek.com/articles/494137/south-carolinas-tea-party-sex-scandal
If this had been a Democrat, they would have prepared the hot coals to drag her over....
What are the odds on two governors in a row taking a hike on the Appalachian Trail?
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)to fly that flag officially? Or are there others?
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Mississippi has the Confederate Battle Flag in its state flag's canton.
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)I had to look up Canton...(I knew it had nothing to do with China! XD ) ...Its still crazy they are flying that flag!
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Not only does it represent forces that tried to split this nation; it's race baiting.
calimary
(81,527 posts)It's a symbol of divisiveness and hate. Tells you something VERY illuminating about those who insist on clinging to it and keeping it alive.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)is every bit as much bullshit as saying the Nazi flag concerns German pride rather than racism.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)cstanleytech
(26,334 posts)the people who dont approve of the flag more than anything kind of like why some people (fewer now these days thankfully) fly it in my area.
Edit: That and because they are douchebags.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)The statehouse used to fly the Confederate flag on the dome under the US and State flags. It now flies behind the Confederate monument at the front of the State House.
Two interesting facts: It went up in 1960, when the civil rights movement was beginning to gain momentum, supposedly as a commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the start of the Civil War. The people who passed the motion to put it up intended it to fly for just that year, but then it was not taken down and after a few years it became a hot political issue.
Secondly, if you had asked people in the years after the end of the Civil War to draw the flag of the Confederate States of America, few would have drawn this flag. It is actually the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (Robert E Lee's command) even though the familiar image was incorporated as a part of later flags of the CSA. The reason everyone identifies this flag is Cecille B DeMille opted to use it in Gone With the Wind in the famous train station scene where the flag waves over hundreds of dead and dying Confederate soldiers. His use of the flag was reportedly not based on any historical accuracy, but because he thought it had a more powerful image.
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)Thanks for that interesting info!
sarge43
(28,946 posts)This article gives a more accurate explanation.
http://thepointnews.com/2011/10/the-confederate-flag-americas-most-controversial-symbol
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)I was thinking of David O Selznick. He, not DeMille, produced the film and preferred the battle flag over the more accurate national flag.
I have spent countless hours arguing with idiots over whether that flag represents racism. The fact that everyone taking that stance was, to some degree, a racist seems to settle that point.
If the flag wasn't a symbol of racism it certainly became one when it was appropriated by the Dixiecrats, KKK and Southern legislatures to express their opposition to desegregation and civil rights.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)the members carried US flags -- the irony.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)on the State House grounds.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)South Carolina did secede at the end of 1860 after Lincoln was elected. But the war did not begin until April 12, 1861 when Fort Sumter was fired on.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Even though the first shots at Fort Sumter were not fired until April of 1861, the secession in 1860 is considered the start of the war.
The resolution of the SC legislature during 1960, when the centennial of the war was being 'celebrated,' was to put the flag up as an honor for the people who fought the war, but EVERYONE understood that it was a symbolic act saying that we will oppose federal desegregation efforts and voter drives the same way we opposed the North in 1860, and, more importantly, that the same people who ran the state in 1860 were still in charge in 1960.
stage left
(2,966 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)I JUST LOVE our flag!!!
stage left
(2,966 posts)is a great state. Today I wish I was from there.
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)In San Francisco!
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)flag they're waving:
sarge43
(28,946 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)CincyDem
(6,407 posts)Nikki was "hired" by the great state of South Carolina (and people like the Koch's who fund her campaign) to be a racist. She's can't disappoint them.
Had this been a Muslim, all we would hear is how the killer was the sharp tip of a worldwide terrorist sword aimed at the heart of America because they all hate our freedoms.
But - since he was white - he's a disturbed lone wolf who's motives we just can't comprehend.
It's got to be hard to be a stupid as Nikki.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)the dots with the confederate flag and black people
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)And are they going to lower that flag? I can't believe that symbol is still being used in the south. I am offended just looking at it. How do they justify it? Seems creepy don't it?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Kevin from WI
(184 posts)Strange... and hurtful for a whole bunch of people.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)pure and simple. There is no other logical explanation. They want to keep that racist, rebel attitude alive. That is why they are always talking about "taking back our country". They didn't say that shit until a black man occupied the White House. They say it every day by not doing one thing to rein in the police. Our media keeps it alive with things like saying a 15 year old girl at a pool party "was no saint". There are too many things to put here. And white Americans play stupid.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Behind a hundred year old Confederate soldiers memorial. It flew on the dome of the Capitol until about 15 years ago. It still has no place being displayed anywhere except a museum.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--looks like it might fly over one of the Emirates ....
tclambert
(11,087 posts)See, the "War of Northern Aggression" back in the 1860s didn't have anything to do with slavery. They were just defending their rights against Big Government trying to restrict their freedoms, like the freedom to own slaves, and the right of states to secede if you try to take away their slaves. But it wasn't just about slavery. No, sir. It was also about . . . uh . . . well, other stuff, really important stuff, important enough to kill and die for. That's how you know it was really important. And South Carolinians are proud that they were the very first to stand up to Lincoln's tyranny, the first to secede, the first to fire shots at a Northern military position (Fort Sumter).
And the fact that they lost and suffered greatly afterwards is the fault of Yankees and darkies, even though the war wasn't about slavery. So a part of their Southern pride is about holding a grudge against those two groups.
Flying that flag could be considered treason. Lincoln, however, wanted to restore the union without taking revenge on the rebels. Strange. You'd think as a Republican, he would have seen to it that Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis were imprisoned at a dark site and regularly waterboarded.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)saved most of his wrath for that state. You think they would have learned.
MADem
(135,425 posts)ffr
(22,674 posts)Pretty simple.
Change starts by participation in your democracy.
Then maybe these whisper campaigns will get eroded.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ilsa
(61,705 posts)Send this message loud and far.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Well done.
Raster
(20,998 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)niyad
(113,612 posts)stage left
(2,966 posts)and I am stunned. And heartbroken.
eppur_se_muova
(36,305 posts)but the SAY they're color-blind !
calimary
(81,527 posts)And they're proud of it, too.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And is the top reader pick for comments:
From a commenter called Bystander:
" ... well never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another,' the governor said."
Indulge me as I throw out a couple hypotheticals:
Hysterical, paranoid gun culture enabled by states trying to outdo each other with permissiveness
Hysterical, hate-mongering right-wing TV "news," talk show hosts, web sites
Foaming-at-the-mouth incitements to racism
Continued un- and underemployment
Most of these could be addressed by people of intelligence and good will. I wonder where we could find some.
project_bluebook
(411 posts)from fascist, racist, sociopath republicans.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)that racist separatist flag be taken down once and for all.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)would you please start an online petition imploring the SC state government to retire this symbol of hate and end their tacit approval and celebration of what is represents?
Thanks.
stage left
(2,966 posts)I am, in fact, a native South Carolinian. And I just called her office and let her know I wanted the hateful thing taken down. Her office said she has no power to do so. They referred me to My legislator whom I'm going to call right now. I will be happy to see about an online petition. I ask everyone on this board who lives in SC to call their legislator.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)The legislature passed a law, and the then Gov signed it, to take it off the dome and put it on the front lawn of the Statehouse, so the Gov couldn't move it.
Haley's only comment about it up till now has been that "no CEO of a company has ever complained about it" because, after all, they are the only people who count.
Haley really scares me. A smarter and politically savvy version of Sarah Palin, but just as crass and in the pocket of the power brokers as Palin was.
stage left
(2,966 posts)SoI called Mike Fair's office, my state senator, and my rep, Hamilton's office. I'm not so sure of her intelligence, but she's definitely in the train of whoever has the money. I'm utterly sick of all these Republican shills.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I don't live in sc but I do live in Va. The sight of that flag makes my blood boil. Let Haley know she has to take down that racist flag.
Scalded Nun
(1,242 posts)They are experts on how to stoke this shit just up to the point where they can walk away and put on that innocent look when everything blows up.
They are nasty and they are evil, and they would not have it any other way.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)Flying the damn thing is hate speech. NO governmental entity should be flying it.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)No person of color has ever done anything to harm me, only people with white skin have caused me major damage.
This is not a "man" who killed 9 innocent beings, this is a coward who refuses to look at the ugliness within his own being!
Take down that horrid flag, that horrid flag is a curse on humanity!
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Going by your sig-line, it would appear you found a path to healing. I hope so.
Julie
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Thank you JNelson6563
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)as those who will not see. Born into, raised to believe and encouraged to perpetuate HATE!!! And you can bet the right wing-nuts will twist this into somehow being Obama's fault. AFTER ALL, they will smugly begin, the KKK was the product of Southern DEMOCRATS! And then, for good measure, their REAL CONCERN will be that this is another reason they are "Comin' to grab our guns!"
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)irisblue
(33,036 posts)orbitalman
(1,098 posts)you could be part of the problem.
passnobuck
(92 posts)acknowledge so much of the history of our nation. Our "White House", built by slaves, as the "presidential mansion". When it was built, only white male landowners could vote to select a white man to serve in it.
We have come a little way since then, but not far enough, not fast enough.
As fast as many of our attitudes have changed regarding acceptance of the legitimacy of LGBT folks loving each other, only during my lifetime, I wish we could rid our nation of bigoted attitudes about race which have been dogging our nation for almost 400 years and continue to this day.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Zambero
(8,974 posts)She would have had to say "admit" instead of "understand".
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)"we'll never understand what makes people do this"
the clearer they actually DO understand. Yes Miss Haley, you do, and you showed that when you changed your name to "Nikki" to please white voters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley
yes Ms. Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley
and don't you dare say "we are in a state of love"
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619394/1177/nikki-haley-at-vigil-x2018-we-are-a-state-of-love-x2019
as we know damned well that the Klan and Sympathizers have tried to destroy that same church. They were doing it long before MLK was born, and they are doing it well after he is dead.
because you know damned well that the people using you as a shield want more of this, and then they will hang you from the same tree as the people you worked against.
captainarizona
(363 posts)Maybe soon we'll never understand will be replaced by Oh that is why I got voted out of office!
The Wizard
(12,552 posts)And then have the audacity to say they don't understand the hatred, all with a straight face. Lying is in their DNA.
erronis
(15,382 posts)Aren't the bigots from one place like the bigots from another?
We have witnessed the brutality of both groups. Guns, knives, lynchings, beheadings. Brothers in arms.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Francis said.
The front page of CNN had this quite from the pope, coincidentally, next to the really large picture of that shooter.
For Nikki Haley and her ilk, it's a calling to make that pile higher and deeper.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)clinging to the racist past is never a good way to run your state
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)immigrants "rapists"?
mountain grammy
(26,658 posts)fuck that flag... burn it.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)Actually, it is very easy to understand "what motivates" someone to do something like this. It is motivated by a steady stream of hate and fear pushed on the right. How many times did this young man hear the talking point that this country is being taken from its rightful owners? How many times did this young man hear Tea Party members claim the rightful owners of this country needed to stand up and take take back their country?
VA_Jill
(10,016 posts)for Dimrata (yes, I said that) to shitcan that rag. If she isn't smart enough to understand why, I can explain it for her in words of one syllable: it breeds hate.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)(Front and center on grounds of S.C. capitol)
"There's not enough troops in the Army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the Nigra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.
-- U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C., unrepentant racist, conservative icon and mentor to many a rightwinger in the state
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Thank you.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)What a culture~.
turbinetree
(24,726 posts)and it really shows what this is all about in my opinion:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-confronts-mark-sanford-about-confederate-flag-flying-symbol-of-tyranny/
And then there is Nikki Haley
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/roan-garcia-quintana_n_3325885.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/nikki-haley-charleston-shooting_n_7612398.html?cps=gravity_2425_3425480905667865275
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)of the c-word? I mean....there HAVE to be exceptions that aren't 'pints and footy and cute accent'.
Leah Knight
(1 post)sent home until she figures it out. And who are the "we" that will never understand. Most civilized human beings know exactly what the motivation is. This is for those who cannot accept their own hate, racist, and separatist beliefs. We'll never understand what motivates you all to proudly fly that shameful confederate rag!