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ABC This Week: Sen. Bernie Sanders Thinks He'll Win White House (Original Post) cal04 Jun 2015 OP
Go, Go Bernie! SoapBox Jun 2015 #1
Bernie did good! RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #2
I think George actually gave him a chance to address the attacks on him and shore up Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #6
Valid point RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #12
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #21
I've heard no one in MSM claim there is no chance she will win the general. merrily Jun 2015 #115
I agree. Much less of a 'gotcha' interview than most lately.... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #13
Yes I agree. When I thought George was a Hillary supporter INdemo Jun 2015 #54
Shouldn't this be in "General Discussion: Primaries"? George II Jun 2015 #3
Hard to catch someone in a lie, when they never lie! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #4
Great point! You don't have to think about telling the truth. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #16
If you tell the truth 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #68
I susbscribe to cilla4progress Jun 2015 #90
He's lobbed a softball to address racism and fails, once again! boston bean Jun 2015 #5
What are you talking about??? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #8
Gotta be something they can use against him. Autumn Jun 2015 #9
Why doesn't he speak to it? boston bean Jun 2015 #11
He has spoken to it, you just don't like what he said or what he has done. Autumn Jun 2015 #15
Outside of economic terms? boston bean Jun 2015 #32
Yes, he has spoken about racial injustice and more than once. merrily Jun 2015 #116
Well documented response! Thank you! Well done! peacebird Jun 2015 #133
What's Hillary's big plan to end racism? frylock Jun 2015 #124
Did you watch the clip? He clearly addresses the issue... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #17
Oh... Snap!!! jjewell Jun 2015 #69
He does speak to it AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #29
You need to take a page from Hillary. I understand she's doing a lot of listening now. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #53
Per others, I am taking direct orders from her.... boston bean Jun 2015 #56
It's not like texting and driving.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #61
Yeah, I'm texting from my mercedes, just passing wall street, on my way to see Bill and Hillary... boston bean Jun 2015 #64
Could you pick up a pizza on the way back? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #66
So it's true? Hillary's not doing much emailing these days. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2015 #96
This supporter believes that social justice and economic justice go hand in hand. I believe rhett o rick Jun 2015 #88
+++^^^ hopemountain Jun 2015 #95
The bigger piece that links social injustice and economics is marym625 Jun 2015 #104
we know that controlling the economy hopemountain Jun 2015 #94
What specific actions can a president take to solve racism? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #112
seems like! I didn't see any softball question about racism that Sanders ignored Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #25
I didn't either I don't think Bernie does "softball", he tells it like it is. Autumn Jun 2015 #30
He's sounding like a skipping broken record... boston bean Jun 2015 #43
Only to certain people. I give thanks that he chooses his advisers wisely. Autumn Jun 2015 #46
And to other certain people he sounds just peachy... boston bean Jun 2015 #47
Speaking of a "broken record"!!! pocoloco Jun 2015 #121
Message discipline is a good thing when Clinton does it.. frylock Jun 2015 #125
Well as far as his "gun record", he has NOT been consistent - he seems to think there should be... George II Jun 2015 #42
He's clearly crazy bobbobbins01 Jun 2015 #89
Do you have any links to prove your assertions? Or is this just another ad hominem attack rhett o rick Jun 2015 #108
It's right here in this video!! He says outright that people with guns in Vermont.... George II Jun 2015 #119
And you wish to make an argument based on that? Go ahead and let's hear your argument. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #134
How did I disparage him? I think all I did was... George II Jun 2015 #135
Saying he hasn't been consistent without any evidence is what? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #138
I already did, twice. George II Jun 2015 #144
You gave us weak opinions. "He seems to think" is not evidence. Find a quote. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #146
It's in the video from roughly 2:40 to maybe 3:10. George II Jun 2015 #147
Gun laws should be local. They should be different in cities than in the country. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #113
But if you allow guns in "the country", what's to prevent city people from going... George II Jun 2015 #136
If guns are illegal in say Chicago and someone brings a gun from a rural area into Chicago, JDPriestly Jun 2015 #141
He also danced around his record on gun issues. George II Jun 2015 #10
What dance? His record is clear on gun issues and he hasn't had to evolve there. Autumn Jun 2015 #19
Did you watch the clip? He clearly addresses the issue... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #20
Was there dancing? frylock Jun 2015 #126
Well it may well have LOOKED liked dancing ... DrBulldog Jun 2015 #23
He clearly differentiated gun owners in Vermont from gun owners in Chicago.... George II Jun 2015 #26
There's a big fucking difference between gun owners in Vermont from gun owners in Chicago Autumn Jun 2015 #31
And which is greater? boston bean Jun 2015 #33
People in rural areas and states don't just own guns to go out on a family outings Autumn Jun 2015 #40
Right, but you do know many innocents are gunned down boston bean Jun 2015 #41
I passed a background check to get my guns. You want your needs and wants placed above others? Autumn Jun 2015 #49
I know, the morality of the issue demands less guns... not more, for anyone. boston bean Jun 2015 #50
How many black and latino people are serving long sentences in private, for profit appalachiablue Jun 2015 #75
Predatory lending practices began during the Reagan Administration, a decade before Clinton. George II Jun 2015 #120
If Clinton's plan to reduce gun violence is to ban guns.. frylock Jun 2015 #127
True, but he wants to be President of FIFTY states, not just Vermont! You can't have national... George II Jun 2015 #38
We will never have national gun laws that only apply to certain areas Autumn Jun 2015 #45
Then why does he go out of his way to differentiate between gun owners in Vermont and Chicago? George II Jun 2015 #70
Did he say when he is president that different areas of the country will have different gun laws? Autumn Jun 2015 #77
Right on! boston bean Jun 2015 #51
Are you serious? That's all you've got against him. "He danced around". HRC helped George rhett o rick Jun 2015 #109
A totally different issue, but how did Clinton help Bush lie about WMD in Iraq? George II Jun 2015 #137
So you aren't aware that HRC actually lied about WMD's in Iraq? You aren't aware rhett o rick Jun 2015 #139
What did she specifically say that was a "lie"? George II Jun 2015 #142
Everyone but those that would benefit from the war knew the so-called intellegence rhett o rick Jun 2015 #145
Why doesn't Hillary spend more time addressing the issue of whether she's a traitor or not? RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #18
one could say Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #27
You just can't let go of this strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #28
Hillary herself told me to keep hammering this! boston bean Jun 2015 #34
Keep your head in the sand AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #35
The more obvious what is? boston bean Jun 2015 #36
Why is it AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #39
I see no difference between the two with the economy. boston bean Jun 2015 #57
There you go again AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #58
I'll discuss them, but there isn't much difference there... boston bean Jun 2015 #60
What is Hillary's economic message? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #63
Very similar to Bernie Sanders. boston bean Jun 2015 #86
So... Because YOU cannot delineate... jjewell Jun 2015 #99
Wrong answer. frylock Jun 2015 #128
"I see no difference between the two with the economy" BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #72
"between the two"... do you mean druidity33 Jun 2015 #102
HRC is a good friend of the billionaires. The CEO of Goldman-Sachs said rhett o rick Jun 2015 #143
You should have told her you were simply too ethical to play that game. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #59
Maybe you should see the following rhett o rick Jun 2015 #110
You have to understand the root of the problem. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #37
It's about power AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #44
Precisely. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #65
Beautiful post! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #62
Sure didn't look like failure to me. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #55
You mean he didn't say "All lives matter"? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #71
ROFLMAO SoapBox Jun 2015 #76
You Hillary supporters are going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that. radiclib Jun 2015 #85
I recommend the below link. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #91
If he is so lame in this department why has Buckwheat Zydeco said that snagglepuss Jun 2015 #129
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #7
Kick and R BeanMusical Jun 2015 #14
Very strong appearance Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #22
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #24
My husband and I Duval Jun 2015 #48
He did just beautifully. He is very quick to formulate a response, always an excellent response. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #52
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Bernie fans, kick the shit out of this one. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #67
Why can't Sanders get any media attention? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #73
He deserves the same amount of media coverage as Hillary pennylane100 Jun 2015 #74
Sorry, but... OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author moobu2 Jun 2015 #81
If he wanted to throw the elections to the repugs pennylane100 Jun 2015 #84
derpa derpa derp frylock Jun 2015 #131
Because they fear him, because he tells the truth INdemo Jun 2015 #92
You're serious, aren't you? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #97
Just who do you think owns the Major Networks INdemo Jun 2015 #118
K & R. Well done Bernie, oustanding effort by THE LONG DISTANCE RUNNER, Indeed! I love it! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #78
Yes! That is an excellent image. RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author moobu2 Jun 2015 #79
Yeah. I read that in the National Review, too. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author moobu2 Jun 2015 #83
As opposed to Clinton's monotonous droning? frylock Jun 2015 #132
K & R L0oniX Jun 2015 #93
K & R Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #98
Yeah I think so too. Autumn Jun 2015 #100
As for myself, I am preparing for a large Victory party for Hillary after she wins the Presidency of Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #101
If Hillary gets serious about critcizing INdemo Jun 2015 #122
She has, she may not say the words exactly as you prefer but she is not dumb, she knows what is Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #123
Bernie is donnasgirl Jun 2015 #103
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #105
Sanders continues to sound great, and that's unnerving some people Babel_17 Jun 2015 #106
George silenttigersong Jun 2015 #107
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #111
Very significant interview. lovemydog Jun 2015 #114
I KNOW that Bernie shall win. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #117
Sanders is the perfect tonic for a sick America IHateTheGOP Jun 2015 #130
When people find out who this old coot is d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #140

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. Go, Go Bernie!
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

I think this was a great showing!

He sounds strong...concise...honest and authentic.

His message is spreading like a wildfire!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
2. Bernie did good!
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

Naturally, they focused more on his perceived weaknesses than on his policies (this is the corporate media, after all), but he handled the questions with aplomb.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. I think George actually gave him a chance to address the attacks on him and shore up
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

some perceived weaknesses!

Go Bernie!!!!!!!!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
12. Valid point
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

At the same time, every time one has to address accusations rather than put forth policies, it strengthens the link between the person and the accusation.

For example, few people make the argument that HRC is unelectable. Yet even if an argument is convincingly made that Bernie is electable, the question of whether he is or isn't remains at the forefront. That's a distraction from other more pressing issues.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
115. I've heard no one in MSM claim there is no chance she will win the general.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jun 2015

The silent assumption is, of course, she has a shot at winning it.

Color me dubious.

Do I wish certain things about Bernie would vanish before the general? Maybe.

Would Hillary's viability in the general be guarantied? Not by a long shot.

Yet, all we hear is that Bernie cannot win even the primary.

Maybe he can; maybe he can't. We'll see. That's all I am going to say to the dire predictions about him: We'll see.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
13. I agree. Much less of a 'gotcha' interview than most lately....
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

It was great to see him ready to go...I think he was anticipating more of the same and got a pleasant surprise....

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
54. Yes I agree. When I thought George was a Hillary supporter
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

being from the original Bill Clinton campaign and press Sec.
Bernie did really well and handled the gun control issue well and also the African American vote issue well

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
5. He's lobbed a softball to address racism and fails, once again!
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

He just refuses to speak to it.

He goes on and on about economics, but can't even make a side note about racial injustice. Jesus Christ, we just had 9 black persons lives taken due to nothing but HATE!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
8. What are you talking about???
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jun 2015

3:45 in he talks about his record on civil rights. He's an old time civil rights activist. He marched with MLK! It's foolish to say he doesn't care about racial injustice.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
9. Gotta be something they can use against him.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

There has to be! Seriously it's sad and dishonest that they ignore his record, that has been consistent and on the side for the people. Next up. Bernie gun record. Rinse and repeat

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
11. Why doesn't he speak to it?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jun 2015

Because he believes like many of his supporters that a few more bucks in the wallet will solve racism.

It won't.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
32. Outside of economic terms?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jun 2015

He was lobbed the softball and couldn't even bring himself to mention racism.

If he continues to conflate economic justice with ending racism, he will have troubles.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
116. Yes, he has spoken about racial injustice and more than once.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:44 AM
Jun 2015

For one thing, I'm willing to bet you have no clue what any of his campaign speeches before this month consisted of.
For another thing, he was one of the first federal officials, if not the first, to speak out after Ferguson.
He not only spoke out immediately after Charleston--from his heart, not some campaign speech disguised as a comment on Charleston, but he immediately emailed his own donors a link to the website of the Charleston Emanuel Church and asked them to donate. That's money that might have gone to him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809672

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10026743489

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017210108

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy

And he did not just speak about Ferguson. He and Conyers sponsored a bill to give youth jobs, instead of militarizing the police.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-charleston-shootings

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128014859

He's also mentioned it on the campaign trail. I know he did in Colorado because I watched that speech live on CSPAN.

That he's never spoken about racial injustice is not just a half truth, like most of the dishonest crap spewed about him. This one is a foul lie, just as the fact that he never spoke about immigration was a foul lie. Please stop repeating it.

Moreover, his actions for a half century have spoken louder than mere convenient words on a campaign trail.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
17. Did you watch the clip? He clearly addresses the issue...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

...in what other context would he reference marching with Dr. King? That he likes long-distance group-walking?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
29. He does speak to it
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

You just refuse to acknowledge it.

I suspect that every time he talks about the 99% you guys will freak out. It's your schtick.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
64. Yeah, I'm texting from my mercedes, just passing wall street, on my way to see Bill and Hillary...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jun 2015

I'm going to receive my next assignment.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
88. This supporter believes that social justice and economic justice go hand in hand. I believe
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

that's what Sens Sanders also believes.

Economic justice isn't a simple as "more money in the pocket". It's food and homes for those living in poverty, our vets and seniors. It's to make sure we have schools to go to and roads to travel on and public transportation. Minorities are hit the hardest when these vital programs are killed. Sen Sanders wants to shut down the for profit prison industry that sees us throwing millions into prisons, hitting minorities very hard.

The billionaires don't care about racism, except to use it as a wedge issue. But Sen Sanders isn't beholden to the billionaires.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
104. The bigger piece that links social injustice and economics is
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

The fact that no real laws that will actually do anything about social injustice are going to be passed while corporations are buying elections

No real news about social injustice is going to be reported while M$M is owned by right wing corporations, and a monopoly on M$M "news" outlets. Look at the churches burned in the last week. Why would the corporate media report on this? It hurts their agenda. It negates their bullshit reasoning that the Confederate flag is good and their is no racism in America. It was one lone crazy dude going after religion!

Just like with the hundreds of new laws against women, the laws to "protect" religion, the laws to starve the poor and let the sick and elderly die, the dismantling of Dodd-Frank, the absolute lack of anything done by federal or state governments to overhaul racist practices and even murder, are going to continue as long as there is not public funding of elections. As long as the corporate dog wins the race. As long as the bankers that Rob the people, the country and the whole fucking world walk free.

Good jobs, better pay, free education, are a very small part of the link between social and economic justice.

The fucking monopolies and money in politics, the bought and paid for politicians is the inseparable, undeniable, absolute, link.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
94. we know that controlling the economy
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jun 2015

has been used to control the lives of people of color and to keep people in poverty, dying in wars for corporations, in prisons, drug addicted, and hopeless. this is his point.

you get it - you have already chewed everything off this bone, boston bean.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
112. What specific actions can a president take to solve racism?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:00 AM
Jun 2015

If there were a law or Supreme Court decision to enforce, a president could call out the National Guard as Eisenhower once did.

What laws or decisions would you suggest a president could enforce?

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
30. I didn't either I don't think Bernie does "softball", he tells it like it is.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

No checking to see which way the wind blows with him.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
43. He's sounding like a skipping broken record...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jun 2015

It wouldn't hurt him to add in discussing racism, sexism,etc..

But he doesn't want to. That is the only logical conclusion one can make.

He wants only to discuss it in economic terms. That will not serve him well.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
125. Message discipline is a good thing when Clinton does it..
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jun 2015

now message discipline is akin to a broken record when Sanders stays on task. Keep fucking that chicken.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. Well as far as his "gun record", he has NOT been consistent - he seems to think there should be...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jun 2015

...different laws for different parts of the country.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
89. He's clearly crazy
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

He might even think there are as many as 50 "different parts" of the country, each with its own "different laws." Its this kind of extremism that will keep him from the white house.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
108. Do you have any links to prove your assertions? Or is this just another ad hominem attack
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jun 2015

on Sen Sanders the peoples candidate.

I suspect you support the billionaires candidate. I guess there is comfort in not challenging the biggest bullies. I remember from the playgrounds those that chose to side with the biggest bullies. Sen Sanders isn't supported by the bullies.

George II

(67,782 posts)
119. It's right here in this video!! He says outright that people with guns in Vermont....
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jun 2015

...are different from people with guns in Chicago.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
134. And you wish to make an argument based on that? Go ahead and let's hear your argument.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jun 2015

You seem desperate to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Sen Sanders represents the 99% and not the billionaires. Why would you disparage him?

George II

(67,782 posts)
135. How did I disparage him? I think all I did was...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

....point out is that he has a different opinion on guns depending upon the part of the country, as he said in the interview.

This is what I said:

"as far as his "gun record", he has NOT been consistent - he seems to think there should be different laws for different parts of the country."

That's disparaging? If Hillary Clinton felt that way she'd be assaulted for "changing with the political wind".

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
138. Saying he hasn't been consistent without any evidence is what?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

"He seems to think"? Give us some evidence.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
113. Gun laws should be local. They should be different in cities than in the country.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jun 2015

Let the gun owners beware.

There are very few reasons to own guns in big cities like Los Angeles. A city lot might be 50 feet by 150 feet from the middle of the street to the back of the lot. Some larger. A few much larger. Some smaller. And many lots have two houses. Where in the world would someone shoot a gun in a city that crowded? And I haven't mentioned people in apartments of renting rooms. We don't hunt deer in the city of Los Angeles -- thouogh there are some on or near the outskirts of town. It is very different in rural or even in some suburban areas.

George II

(67,782 posts)
136. But if you allow guns in "the country", what's to prevent city people from going...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

...to where they're legal and buy them and then bring them back to the city.

Have you ever been to Chicago? Some areas a mere five or six miles from the city are "the country".

A huge source of guns in NYC is the Carolinas.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
141. If guns are illegal in say Chicago and someone brings a gun from a rural area into Chicago,
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jun 2015

then the person who brought the gun can be arrested in Chicago just for possessing the gun.

It makes it easier to reduce even if you can't eliminate the number of guns in Chicago.

It isn't a matter of reaching 0 guns in Chicago, but older people like me who don't want to have to carry a gun to go to the grocery store or a church in a crowded city can be fairly certain that really and truly only criminals (who can be arrested for having committed the crime of having a gun on them) will have guns. Most other people will not have guns. Because by very definition, that 19-year-old (nothing against 19-year-olds, but it is an example of someone under 70 and with a surer eye and hand than I at 72) is a criminal. He is violating the law against carrying or possessing a gun in a city.

It might be that it could be legal to have a gun in your home but not carry it. The problem is that when you have people living in relatively crowded situations, guns add to the risks. So does excessive noise. We have noise laws in Los Angeles. If people make a certain level of noise after a certain hour, we can call the police. And people do. Guns are a threat in cities more than they are in rural areas. Guns can be protection in rural areas. In cities, we have local police who are our protection (hopefully but not always) and guns if only because of the possibility of gun accidents and guns used in domestic violence are a huge threat. Guns plus alcohol are a problem everywhere. Think of Dick Cheney.

So I favor restrictions on gun possession, carrying and use (no target practice in your 20 x 30 backyard) but I do not favor any but the most reasonable gun restrictions (no one needs an atomic bomb in their backyard or even a tank turret with whatever they put on tanks or other war material) in rural areas. Each town or city or rural area should determine its gun laws, and let gun owners beware.

This variation in laws could be accomplished through gun licensing. Rural areas might choose to have no gun licensing at all. Cities could choose to license guns.

The First Amendment doesn't just protect the right of free speech. It also protects the right of freedom of assembly. If you live in a town of 1000 people, you probably enjoy almost perfect freedom of assembly. Chances are that half the town can walk down main street for a demonstration without needing a "permit." But if you live in a big city like Los Angeles, your freedom of assembly (and thus of speech in many cases) is "regulated" meaning that you have to pay a fee for police protection and get a permit if your demonstration is going to be larger than a certain size. There are probably some exceptions to that requirement of a permit such as really spontaneous demonstrations (depends on the laws) and other things spelled out in local ordinances.

Why should our Second Amendment rights, the freedom to own say a gun, be exempt from the Supreme-Court approved regulatory limitations on our First Amendment rights?

And should our Second Amendment be read to limit the kinds of weapons that we may possess to those that were available at the time the Constitution was written or to any weapon, any gun, that can be made?

There are a lot of reasonable questions to be asked in this area. I favor different restrictions on gun possession according to local government. People who like guns could choose to live in places in which guns are OK. If you are retired and have poor eyesight and a tremor, for example, you could choose to live in a place in which guns are not allowed. Why not give people that choice?

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
19. What dance? His record is clear on gun issues and he hasn't had to evolve there.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

He stands by his votes and his record on guns is in line with the people in his state, they keep electing him. Unless I missed that dance you attended.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
20. Did you watch the clip? He clearly addresses the issue...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

... hint: it's the segment where he talks about gun control...

George II

(67,782 posts)
26. He clearly differentiated gun owners in Vermont from gun owners in Chicago....
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

....essentially saying "do as I say, not as "we" do in Vermont"

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
33. And which is greater?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

The need for people to own guns to go out on a family outing?

or

Thousands a year dead because of the ease of access to them?

Again, he is trying to equate the two as if they are both as important.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
40. People in rural areas and states don't just own guns to go out on a family outings
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jun 2015

What do people in the city of Chicago use their guns for? Hunting? Protection? I don't know any gun owners in Chicago, I do know a lot of rural gun owners including myself. I've never known anyone of them to kill anyone.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
41. Right, but you do know many innocents are gunned down
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

by the ease and availability because those like you have your needs and wants placed above others.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
49. I passed a background check to get my guns. You want your needs and wants placed above others?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

Change the Constitution. I have nothing further to say about it to you.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
75. How many black and latino people are serving long sentences in private, for profit
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

corporate prisons in the last 20 years and why? How many poor black children and women were thrown into permanent poverty by Clinton's 5 year maximum 'Welfare to Work' enactment? How many low income black and hispanic people were the target of predatory mortgage lending practices- no documentation, no money down "liar loans"- by the financial industry and as result lost their homes, jobs and savings because of bank fraud. A movement that began with the home ownership initiative to increase mortgaged housing introduced by Clinton in 1995 and continued by Bush?

George II

(67,782 posts)
38. True, but he wants to be President of FIFTY states, not just Vermont! You can't have national...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

....gun laws that only apply to Chicago, or New York, etc. but don't apply to smaller rural states, and vice versa.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
45. We will never have national gun laws that only apply to certain areas
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015
the rest of your comment is laughable and not worth a response. Have a nice day

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
77. Did he say when he is president that different areas of the country will have different gun laws?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe he pointed that out because gun owners in Vermont are different from the gun owners in Chicago? Just like tools a mechanic uses are mostly different from tolls used by a construction person, both use some of the same tools but for different reasons.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
109. Are you serious? That's all you've got against him. "He danced around". HRC helped George
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jun 2015

Bush lie about WMD in Iraq. She knew they were lies but she supported the Republicons when she should have been a good Democrat. But Sen Sanders "danced around his record on gun issues." One million dead in Iraq. Plez try to keep some perspective.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
139. So you aren't aware that HRC actually lied about WMD's in Iraq? You aren't aware
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

that she mimicked the same lies used over and over by Bush and his friends? Well don't let me be the one to spoil your comfortable denial.

George II

(67,782 posts)
142. What did she specifically say that was a "lie"?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

And if she said there were WMDs in Iraq, on what did she base it?

It's about time some people face reality - she and most of the other Democrats that voted for the AUMF (I assume that's where you'll go next) did so based on "intelligence" provided by the bush administration, "intelligence" that Paul Wolfowitz admitted several years later was not true.

He mistake, and the mistake of many other Democrats (and maybe even republicans too) was assume they were being told the truth.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
145. Everyone but those that would benefit from the war knew the so-called intellegence
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

was garbage. All our allies turned their backs on us because they knew there were no WMD's in Iraq. I don't believe for a min that Clinton was "fooled" by the Bush lies. But you seem to think, while all progressives were screaming "don't do it", she was fooled by Bush. I wouldn't ever believe Bush but you say Clinton did believe Bush.

You asking what she specifically said that was a lie has me baffled. You really don't know? If you are a supporter you should know. It's easy to find on the internetz.

By the way, every single piece of the intellegence she used for justification was debunked AT THE TIME. There was no yellow cake, the prime witness was proved to be a liar by the Germans, the tubes that Powell swore were to build nuclear weapons were for irrigation or some other shit, etc.

The good ole USofA killed maybe a million people in Iraq based on lies. It bothers me very much when people try to justify that. HRC turned on the Democrats, turned on the nation, and turned on the poor Iraqi people, and sided with the lying Republicons. She now says it was a mistake. Really? That's it? No apology to the millions of Iraqi's whose lives were ruined?

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
18. Why doesn't Hillary spend more time addressing the issue of whether she's a traitor or not?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

I'll tell you why: Because the issue is absurd.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
39. Why is it
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jun 2015

Obama supporters never want to talk about the economy? Why do Hillary supporters never want to talk about the economy? Why is it, everytime Bernie talks about the economy, racism is implied by Hillary supporters?

The marching orders are: Endlessly harp on social issues while ignoring economic issues. That way, nobody will notice while the administration, the GOP and the banksters feed the country a shit sandwich.

Hillary? Same thing.

Bernie Sanders has never, ever said economics will stop racism. You guys made that up. It is a strawman invented out of whole cloth.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
57. I see no difference between the two with the economy.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

You may see it differently.

That is why I notice what she is saying in totality, which includes economics and social justice.

With Bernie, it's just economics... seems like he has a tin ear in regards to those issues, in this campaign.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
58. There you go again
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

Ignoring 50+ years of civil rights work. More head in the sand.

Meanwhile Hillary's supporters refuse to discuss economics, instead pushing this distorted version of Bernies economic message with implied racism.

jjewell

(618 posts)
99. So... Because YOU cannot delineate...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jun 2015

between Bernie's stated economic policies, and Hillary's economic policies,
it boils down to "race baiting", even though we've all 'seen this movie too'
back in 2008, and it's result?? Despite the fact that Bernie has an UNBROKEN
record in SUPPORT of Civil Rights since he was a college kid in the 1960's..???

Really.. ???

You could watch a video of Bernie giving a speech as Mayor of Burlington, Vermont
in the 1980's, and beyond the "optics", you'd swear he gave the speech LAST WEEK.

Absolutely right on the ISSUES. Has BEEN, and STILL is.

Bernie Sanders has EARNED MY vote. And he will KEEP IT.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
72. "I see no difference between the two with the economy"
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jun 2015

Again, those who attack the most show their absolute ignorance. You can't even admit what your candidate stands for, or perhaps you don't know. I have seen this over and over again, a clear case of severe blinders.

Keep going though, with this kind of support, Hillary is a shoe in!

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
102. "between the two"... do you mean
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary and Obama, or Hillary and Bernie?

If it's between Hillary and Obama , then i agree, there will be no difference in policy. But if you're trying to say Hillary and Bernie will not be different when it comes to economic policy, i have to say if you believe that, i have a hard time taking you seriously. Can you elaborate or quantify that?


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
143. HRC is a good friend of the billionaires. The CEO of Goldman-Sachs said
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jun 2015

he would welcome either Bush or Clinton as president. Notice he didn't say he would welcome Sen Sanders. That's because they are miles apart on fighting wealth inequality.

Social justice and economic justice go hand in hand.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
37. You have to understand the root of the problem.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

Trickle down economics. The racism and hate comes from the tip top.

In fact, I think it may be the only thing that ever has trickled down.

If you pay attention, now and then you might catch a glimpse of what it is like behind the curtain. A Donald Sterling faux pas.

Just look at how the person that took those lives became the way he was. Conservative, right wing media, websites and politicians all working together and all funded and abetted by the shareholders who are themselves partial owners of the very corporations funding their campaigns.

So I would argue that economics, especially Citizens United, is the greatest blight upon our democracy and greatest boon for the financiers of racism, hate and division.

But at the same time, since corporations are now legally people. It does make it far easier to judge someone by the company they keep.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
44. It's about power
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015

And who wields it. Whomever controls the money, holds the power. Whichever group controls the economy, controls the politicians. Right now, the top 1% control the politicians. What are we seeing? The civil rights and voting rights acts being undone. You see, the oligarchy needs to control voting rights to stay in power. THe more power they have, the less rights we have. That's how it works in third world countries, and that's how it works here.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
71. You mean he didn't say "All lives matter"?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Every time you attack Sanders, you highlight your own candidate's weakness. She's "evolved" on so many issues that he has always been on the correct side on. Her record speaks for itself.

Apparently Republicans are already attacking her with a Spanish language ad using her own words against "illegals." She is their favorite Democrat to run against.

Your concern is noted. I love how a certain type on DU are always screaming about RACISM! but only give a damn when it's about Sanders. Hmmmm.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
85. You Hillary supporters are going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

Is this the strategy? Try to score points with DUers who just read the responses and don't bother with the interview? Good luck with that.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
129. If he is so lame in this department why has Buckwheat Zydeco said that
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie is "tres bien" and allowed Bernie to use his song?


“Using our music is not cool at all #BobbyJindal,” the musician tweeted. “@SenSanders using our ‘Make A Change’ to make his announcement is tres bien!”

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
48. My husband and I
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

Just love that guy! Go Bernie Go!! And thanks for posting the video, cal04. We missed it this morning!


Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
52. He did just beautifully. He is very quick to formulate a response, always an excellent response.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jun 2015

This is my guy.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
74. He deserves the same amount of media coverage as Hillary
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

However, as a Bernie Fan, I think he is doing quite well in that regard. I would, of course, like to see 24/7 coverage but that is a pipe dream and, of course, unrealistic. The better he does in the polls, the more coverage he will get.

If he wins New Hampshire that will definitely help. I am not sure about Iowa, as I do not understand how caucuses work and how much they reflect the true wishes of the voters. It seems that they take hours to decide and that would be a turn off for those who just want to mark the ballot and leave. I would welcome some enlightening from any Iowa voters.

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #73)

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
84. If he wanted to throw the elections to the repugs
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

he would not have run as a democrat. He could have done what Ralph Nader did and run as an independent or a socialist. I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. While he may not win the primary, he is definitely a serious candidate. He has raised over eight million dollars, according to an article in the New York times. That is hardly the mark of a non serious candidate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/upshot/bernie-sanderss-early-online-haul-8-3-million.html?abt=0002&abg=1

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
92. Because they fear him, because he tells the truth
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jun 2015

and he is upsetting their apple cart and they wont give him any Media time.
The Corporate mafia owns the MSM and Bernie is not their friend.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
118. Just who do you think owns the Major Networks
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jun 2015

Hell yes they fear him.
Why would you think they are trying to dig up some dirt and they cant find any..............Isn't that a bummer.

Response to cal04 (Original post)

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #82)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. As for myself, I am preparing for a large Victory party for Hillary after she wins the Presidency of
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jun 2015

the United States.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
122. If Hillary gets serious about critcizing
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

Big banks for their manipulative practices and" too big to fail"" image,if she joins the "liberal" side of the Democratic party, If she talks about an investment tax issue,about the income inequality...I mean if she takes up these issues seriously and not just the low key rhetoric only the corporate mafia and Wall St allows her to use, Then she could win the nomination and the Presidency.She will have to shed her Republican lite image or Democrats will stay home and the Republican wins.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
123. She has, she may not say the words exactly as you prefer but she is not dumb, she knows what is
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

on in the financial world, don't kid yourself. The Wall Street she has already addressed, perhaps you missed it. In fact I am still waiting for Bernie to speak on national security, gun control and more respect for women.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
103. Bernie is
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jun 2015

The right man at the right time and in the right place to do something no one is expecting him to do, He will win.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
106. Sanders continues to sound great, and that's unnerving some people
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jun 2015

I think it's dawning on people that a new standard for discourse has been set. You can't just speak generalities and then expect people to vote for you; trusting you to undo the decades of politicians catering to the 1%, and looking to line their nests.

Campaigns that can't even credibly fake it are in for a world of hurt. This could be the type of campaign season that our heroes like FDR and Truman relished. Tell the truth about the economy, and all the rented out politicians will feel like they are in hell.

Expose one big lie, and the whole facade should crumble. We can win it all.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
107. George
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

just has to slip Clintons name in there refering to Senetor Sanders as Hillarys abliet implying ownership.What poor journalism.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
117. I KNOW that Bernie shall win.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jun 2015

In a landslide, like never before seen in this country.
Go ahead, trolls, attack it! I know you will.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
140. When people find out who this old coot is
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

They're gonna run into those voting booths just like they voted in a certain Senator from Illinois.

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