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The Vermont Independent is interviewed on "This Week."
ABC link
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-bernie-sanders-predicts-hell-win-white-house/story?id=32083075
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I think this was a great showing!
He sounds strong...concise...honest and authentic.
His message is spreading like a wildfire!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Naturally, they focused more on his perceived weaknesses than on his policies (this is the corporate media, after all), but he handled the questions with aplomb.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)some perceived weaknesses!
Go Bernie!!!!!!!!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)At the same time, every time one has to address accusations rather than put forth policies, it strengthens the link between the person and the accusation.
For example, few people make the argument that HRC is unelectable. Yet even if an argument is convincingly made that Bernie is electable, the question of whether he is or isn't remains at the forefront. That's a distraction from other more pressing issues.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)The silent assumption is, of course, she has a shot at winning it.
Color me dubious.
Do I wish certain things about Bernie would vanish before the general? Maybe.
Would Hillary's viability in the general be guarantied? Not by a long shot.
Yet, all we hear is that Bernie cannot win even the primary.
Maybe he can; maybe he can't. We'll see. That's all I am going to say to the dire predictions about him: We'll see.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)It was great to see him ready to go...I think he was anticipating more of the same and got a pleasant surprise....
INdemo
(6,994 posts)being from the original Bill Clinton campaign and press Sec.
Bernie did really well and handled the gun control issue well and also the African American vote issue well
George II
(67,782 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)this theory!
boston bean
(36,221 posts)He just refuses to speak to it.
He goes on and on about economics, but can't even make a side note about racial injustice. Jesus Christ, we just had 9 black persons lives taken due to nothing but HATE!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)3:45 in he talks about his record on civil rights. He's an old time civil rights activist. He marched with MLK! It's foolish to say he doesn't care about racial injustice.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)There has to be! Seriously it's sad and dishonest that they ignore his record, that has been consistent and on the side for the people. Next up. Bernie gun record. Rinse and repeat
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Because he believes like many of his supporters that a few more bucks in the wallet will solve racism.
It won't.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)He was lobbed the softball and couldn't even bring himself to mention racism.
If he continues to conflate economic justice with ending racism, he will have troubles.
merrily
(45,251 posts)For one thing, I'm willing to bet you have no clue what any of his campaign speeches before this month consisted of.
For another thing, he was one of the first federal officials, if not the first, to speak out after Ferguson.
He not only spoke out immediately after Charleston--from his heart, not some campaign speech disguised as a comment on Charleston, but he immediately emailed his own donors a link to the website of the Charleston Emanuel Church and asked them to donate. That's money that might have gone to him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809672
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10026743489
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017210108
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy
And he did not just speak about Ferguson. He and Conyers sponsored a bill to give youth jobs, instead of militarizing the police.
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-charleston-shootings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128014859
He's also mentioned it on the campaign trail. I know he did in Colorado because I watched that speech live on CSPAN.
That he's never spoken about racial injustice is not just a half truth, like most of the dishonest crap spewed about him. This one is a foul lie, just as the fact that he never spoke about immigration was a foul lie. Please stop repeating it.
Moreover, his actions for a half century have spoken louder than mere convenient words on a campaign trail.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)You clearly have more patience than I.
frylock
(34,825 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...in what other context would he reference marching with Dr. King? That he likes long-distance group-walking?
jjewell
(618 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You just refuse to acknowledge it.
I suspect that every time he talks about the 99% you guys will freak out. It's your schtick.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)How can I do both at the same time?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Wait,...are you?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)I'm going to receive my next assignment.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I'm sure Bill can be trusted to order the toppings.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that's what Sens Sanders also believes.
Economic justice isn't a simple as "more money in the pocket". It's food and homes for those living in poverty, our vets and seniors. It's to make sure we have schools to go to and roads to travel on and public transportation. Minorities are hit the hardest when these vital programs are killed. Sen Sanders wants to shut down the for profit prison industry that sees us throwing millions into prisons, hitting minorities very hard.
The billionaires don't care about racism, except to use it as a wedge issue. But Sen Sanders isn't beholden to the billionaires.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)thank you.
marym625
(17,997 posts)The fact that no real laws that will actually do anything about social injustice are going to be passed while corporations are buying elections
No real news about social injustice is going to be reported while M$M is owned by right wing corporations, and a monopoly on M$M "news" outlets. Look at the churches burned in the last week. Why would the corporate media report on this? It hurts their agenda. It negates their bullshit reasoning that the Confederate flag is good and their is no racism in America. It was one lone crazy dude going after religion!
Just like with the hundreds of new laws against women, the laws to "protect" religion, the laws to starve the poor and let the sick and elderly die, the dismantling of Dodd-Frank, the absolute lack of anything done by federal or state governments to overhaul racist practices and even murder, are going to continue as long as there is not public funding of elections. As long as the corporate dog wins the race. As long as the bankers that Rob the people, the country and the whole fucking world walk free.
Good jobs, better pay, free education, are a very small part of the link between social and economic justice.
The fucking monopolies and money in politics, the bought and paid for politicians is the inseparable, undeniable, absolute, link.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)has been used to control the lives of people of color and to keep people in poverty, dying in wars for corporations, in prisons, drug addicted, and hopeless. this is his point.
you get it - you have already chewed everything off this bone, boston bean.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)If there were a law or Supreme Court decision to enforce, a president could call out the National Guard as Eisenhower once did.
What laws or decisions would you suggest a president could enforce?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)that is for sure
Autumn
(45,096 posts)No checking to see which way the wind blows with him.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)It wouldn't hurt him to add in discussing racism, sexism,etc..
But he doesn't want to. That is the only logical conclusion one can make.
He wants only to discuss it in economic terms. That will not serve him well.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)ok...
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)LO fucking L!!
frylock
(34,825 posts)now message discipline is akin to a broken record when Sanders stays on task. Keep fucking that chicken.
George II
(67,782 posts)...different laws for different parts of the country.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)He might even think there are as many as 50 "different parts" of the country, each with its own "different laws." Its this kind of extremism that will keep him from the white house.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)on Sen Sanders the peoples candidate.
I suspect you support the billionaires candidate. I guess there is comfort in not challenging the biggest bullies. I remember from the playgrounds those that chose to side with the biggest bullies. Sen Sanders isn't supported by the bullies.
George II
(67,782 posts)...are different from people with guns in Chicago.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You seem desperate to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Sen Sanders represents the 99% and not the billionaires. Why would you disparage him?
George II
(67,782 posts)....point out is that he has a different opinion on guns depending upon the part of the country, as he said in the interview.
This is what I said:
"as far as his "gun record", he has NOT been consistent - he seems to think there should be different laws for different parts of the country."
That's disparaging? If Hillary Clinton felt that way she'd be assaulted for "changing with the political wind".
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)"He seems to think"? Give us some evidence.
George II
(67,782 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Let the gun owners beware.
There are very few reasons to own guns in big cities like Los Angeles. A city lot might be 50 feet by 150 feet from the middle of the street to the back of the lot. Some larger. A few much larger. Some smaller. And many lots have two houses. Where in the world would someone shoot a gun in a city that crowded? And I haven't mentioned people in apartments of renting rooms. We don't hunt deer in the city of Los Angeles -- thouogh there are some on or near the outskirts of town. It is very different in rural or even in some suburban areas.
George II
(67,782 posts)...to where they're legal and buy them and then bring them back to the city.
Have you ever been to Chicago? Some areas a mere five or six miles from the city are "the country".
A huge source of guns in NYC is the Carolinas.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)then the person who brought the gun can be arrested in Chicago just for possessing the gun.
It makes it easier to reduce even if you can't eliminate the number of guns in Chicago.
It isn't a matter of reaching 0 guns in Chicago, but older people like me who don't want to have to carry a gun to go to the grocery store or a church in a crowded city can be fairly certain that really and truly only criminals (who can be arrested for having committed the crime of having a gun on them) will have guns. Most other people will not have guns. Because by very definition, that 19-year-old (nothing against 19-year-olds, but it is an example of someone under 70 and with a surer eye and hand than I at 72) is a criminal. He is violating the law against carrying or possessing a gun in a city.
It might be that it could be legal to have a gun in your home but not carry it. The problem is that when you have people living in relatively crowded situations, guns add to the risks. So does excessive noise. We have noise laws in Los Angeles. If people make a certain level of noise after a certain hour, we can call the police. And people do. Guns are a threat in cities more than they are in rural areas. Guns can be protection in rural areas. In cities, we have local police who are our protection (hopefully but not always) and guns if only because of the possibility of gun accidents and guns used in domestic violence are a huge threat. Guns plus alcohol are a problem everywhere. Think of Dick Cheney.
So I favor restrictions on gun possession, carrying and use (no target practice in your 20 x 30 backyard) but I do not favor any but the most reasonable gun restrictions (no one needs an atomic bomb in their backyard or even a tank turret with whatever they put on tanks or other war material) in rural areas. Each town or city or rural area should determine its gun laws, and let gun owners beware.
This variation in laws could be accomplished through gun licensing. Rural areas might choose to have no gun licensing at all. Cities could choose to license guns.
The First Amendment doesn't just protect the right of free speech. It also protects the right of freedom of assembly. If you live in a town of 1000 people, you probably enjoy almost perfect freedom of assembly. Chances are that half the town can walk down main street for a demonstration without needing a "permit." But if you live in a big city like Los Angeles, your freedom of assembly (and thus of speech in many cases) is "regulated" meaning that you have to pay a fee for police protection and get a permit if your demonstration is going to be larger than a certain size. There are probably some exceptions to that requirement of a permit such as really spontaneous demonstrations (depends on the laws) and other things spelled out in local ordinances.
Why should our Second Amendment rights, the freedom to own say a gun, be exempt from the Supreme-Court approved regulatory limitations on our First Amendment rights?
And should our Second Amendment be read to limit the kinds of weapons that we may possess to those that were available at the time the Constitution was written or to any weapon, any gun, that can be made?
There are a lot of reasonable questions to be asked in this area. I favor different restrictions on gun possession according to local government. People who like guns could choose to live in places in which guns are OK. If you are retired and have poor eyesight and a tremor, for example, you could choose to live in a place in which guns are not allowed. Why not give people that choice?
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)He stands by his votes and his record on guns is in line with the people in his state, they keep electing him. Unless I missed that dance you attended.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)... hint: it's the segment where he talks about gun control...
frylock
(34,825 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)... because you forgot to plug in your hearing aid?
George II
(67,782 posts)....essentially saying "do as I say, not as "we" do in Vermont"
Autumn
(45,096 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)The need for people to own guns to go out on a family outing?
or
Thousands a year dead because of the ease of access to them?
Again, he is trying to equate the two as if they are both as important.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)What do people in the city of Chicago use their guns for? Hunting? Protection? I don't know any gun owners in Chicago, I do know a lot of rural gun owners including myself. I've never known anyone of them to kill anyone.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)by the ease and availability because those like you have your needs and wants placed above others.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)Change the Constitution. I have nothing further to say about it to you.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)corporate prisons in the last 20 years and why? How many poor black children and women were thrown into permanent poverty by Clinton's 5 year maximum 'Welfare to Work' enactment? How many low income black and hispanic people were the target of predatory mortgage lending practices- no documentation, no money down "liar loans"- by the financial industry and as result lost their homes, jobs and savings because of bank fraud. A movement that began with the home ownership initiative to increase mortgaged housing introduced by Clinton in 1995 and continued by Bush?
George II
(67,782 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)then you may as well pack it in now.
George II
(67,782 posts)....gun laws that only apply to Chicago, or New York, etc. but don't apply to smaller rural states, and vice versa.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)Maybe he pointed that out because gun owners in Vermont are different from the gun owners in Chicago? Just like tools a mechanic uses are mostly different from tolls used by a construction person, both use some of the same tools but for different reasons.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Bush lie about WMD in Iraq. She knew they were lies but she supported the Republicons when she should have been a good Democrat. But Sen Sanders "danced around his record on gun issues." One million dead in Iraq. Plez try to keep some perspective.
George II
(67,782 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that she mimicked the same lies used over and over by Bush and his friends? Well don't let me be the one to spoil your comfortable denial.
George II
(67,782 posts)And if she said there were WMDs in Iraq, on what did she base it?
It's about time some people face reality - she and most of the other Democrats that voted for the AUMF (I assume that's where you'll go next) did so based on "intelligence" provided by the bush administration, "intelligence" that Paul Wolfowitz admitted several years later was not true.
He mistake, and the mistake of many other Democrats (and maybe even republicans too) was assume they were being told the truth.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)was garbage. All our allies turned their backs on us because they knew there were no WMD's in Iraq. I don't believe for a min that Clinton was "fooled" by the Bush lies. But you seem to think, while all progressives were screaming "don't do it", she was fooled by Bush. I wouldn't ever believe Bush but you say Clinton did believe Bush.
You asking what she specifically said that was a lie has me baffled. You really don't know? If you are a supporter you should know. It's easy to find on the internetz.
By the way, every single piece of the intellegence she used for justification was debunked AT THE TIME. There was no yellow cake, the prime witness was proved to be a liar by the Germans, the tubes that Powell swore were to build nuclear weapons were for irrigation or some other shit, etc.
The good ole USofA killed maybe a million people in Iraq based on lies. It bothers me very much when people try to justify that. HRC turned on the Democrats, turned on the nation, and turned on the poor Iraqi people, and sided with the lying Republicons. She now says it was a mistake. Really? That's it? No apology to the millions of Iraqi's whose lives were ruined?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I'll tell you why: Because the issue is absurd.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)that some candidates could be using racism for their own ends.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Marching orders are marching orders...
boston bean
(36,221 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The longer you do it, the more obvious it is.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Obama supporters never want to talk about the economy? Why do Hillary supporters never want to talk about the economy? Why is it, everytime Bernie talks about the economy, racism is implied by Hillary supporters?
The marching orders are: Endlessly harp on social issues while ignoring economic issues. That way, nobody will notice while the administration, the GOP and the banksters feed the country a shit sandwich.
Hillary? Same thing.
Bernie Sanders has never, ever said economics will stop racism. You guys made that up. It is a strawman invented out of whole cloth.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)You may see it differently.
That is why I notice what she is saying in totality, which includes economics and social justice.
With Bernie, it's just economics... seems like he has a tin ear in regards to those issues, in this campaign.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Ignoring 50+ years of civil rights work. More head in the sand.
Meanwhile Hillary's supporters refuse to discuss economics, instead pushing this distorted version of Bernies economic message with implied racism.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Please, do tell...
boston bean
(36,221 posts)So, you would know them as well.
jjewell
(618 posts)between Bernie's stated economic policies, and Hillary's economic policies,
it boils down to "race baiting", even though we've all 'seen this movie too'
back in 2008, and it's result?? Despite the fact that Bernie has an UNBROKEN
record in SUPPORT of Civil Rights since he was a college kid in the 1960's..???
Really.. ???
You could watch a video of Bernie giving a speech as Mayor of Burlington, Vermont
in the 1980's, and beyond the "optics", you'd swear he gave the speech LAST WEEK.
Absolutely right on the ISSUES. Has BEEN, and STILL is.
Bernie Sanders has EARNED MY vote. And he will KEEP IT.
frylock
(34,825 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Again, those who attack the most show their absolute ignorance. You can't even admit what your candidate stands for, or perhaps you don't know. I have seen this over and over again, a clear case of severe blinders.
Keep going though, with this kind of support, Hillary is a shoe in!
druidity33
(6,446 posts)Hillary and Obama, or Hillary and Bernie?
If it's between Hillary and Obama , then i agree, there will be no difference in policy. But if you're trying to say Hillary and Bernie will not be different when it comes to economic policy, i have to say if you believe that, i have a hard time taking you seriously. Can you elaborate or quantify that?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)he would welcome either Bush or Clinton as president. Notice he didn't say he would welcome Sen Sanders. That's because they are miles apart on fighting wealth inequality.
Social justice and economic justice go hand in hand.
Enthusiast
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Trickle down economics. The racism and hate comes from the tip top.
In fact, I think it may be the only thing that ever has trickled down.
If you pay attention, now and then you might catch a glimpse of what it is like behind the curtain. A Donald Sterling faux pas.
Just look at how the person that took those lives became the way he was. Conservative, right wing media, websites and politicians all working together and all funded and abetted by the shareholders who are themselves partial owners of the very corporations funding their campaigns.
So I would argue that economics, especially Citizens United, is the greatest blight upon our democracy and greatest boon for the financiers of racism, hate and division.
But at the same time, since corporations are now legally people. It does make it far easier to judge someone by the company they keep.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And who wields it. Whomever controls the money, holds the power. Whichever group controls the economy, controls the politicians. Right now, the top 1% control the politicians. What are we seeing? The civil rights and voting rights acts being undone. You see, the oligarchy needs to control voting rights to stay in power. THe more power they have, the less rights we have. That's how it works in third world countries, and that's how it works here.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Corporations already had too much influence before the Citizens United decision.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Every time you attack Sanders, you highlight your own candidate's weakness. She's "evolved" on so many issues that he has always been on the correct side on. Her record speaks for itself.
Apparently Republicans are already attacking her with a Spanish language ad using her own words against "illegals." She is their favorite Democrat to run against.
Your concern is noted. I love how a certain type on DU are always screaming about RACISM! but only give a damn when it's about Sanders. Hmmmm.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Now I know from other posts...
You just don't stop trashing him.
radiclib
(1,811 posts)Is this the strategy? Try to score points with DUers who just read the responses and don't bother with the interview? Good luck with that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Bernie is "tres bien" and allowed Bernie to use his song?
Using our music is not cool at all #BobbyJindal, the musician tweeted. @SenSanders using our Make A Change to make his announcement is tres bien!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)And this upcoming week is gonna be a good one for Bernie!
K&R
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Just love that guy! Go Bernie Go!! And thanks for posting the video, cal04. We missed it this morning!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is my guy.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)pennylane100
(3,425 posts)However, as a Bernie Fan, I think he is doing quite well in that regard. I would, of course, like to see 24/7 coverage but that is a pipe dream and, of course, unrealistic. The better he does in the polls, the more coverage he will get.
If he wins New Hampshire that will definitely help. I am not sure about Iowa, as I do not understand how caucuses work and how much they reflect the true wishes of the voters. It seems that they take hours to decide and that would be a turn off for those who just want to mark the ballot and leave. I would welcome some enlightening from any Iowa voters.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #73)
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pennylane100
(3,425 posts)he would not have run as a democrat. He could have done what Ralph Nader did and run as an independent or a socialist. I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. While he may not win the primary, he is definitely a serious candidate. He has raised over eight million dollars, according to an article in the New York times. That is hardly the mark of a non serious candidate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/upshot/bernie-sanderss-early-online-haul-8-3-million.html?abt=0002&abg=1
frylock
(34,825 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)and he is upsetting their apple cart and they wont give him any Media time.
The Corporate mafia owns the MSM and Bernie is not their friend.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Holy fuck.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Hell yes they fear him.
Why would you think they are trying to dig up some dirt and they cant find any..............Isn't that a bummer.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Campaigns are marathons. He'll be uniquely qualified.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #82)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)the United States.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Big banks for their manipulative practices and" too big to fail"" image,if she joins the "liberal" side of the Democratic party, If she talks about an investment tax issue,about the income inequality...I mean if she takes up these issues seriously and not just the low key rhetoric only the corporate mafia and Wall St allows her to use, Then she could win the nomination and the Presidency.She will have to shed her Republican lite image or Democrats will stay home and the Republican wins.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)on in the financial world, don't kid yourself. The Wall Street she has already addressed, perhaps you missed it. In fact I am still waiting for Bernie to speak on national security, gun control and more respect for women.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)The right man at the right time and in the right place to do something no one is expecting him to do, He will win.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I think it's dawning on people that a new standard for discourse has been set. You can't just speak generalities and then expect people to vote for you; trusting you to undo the decades of politicians catering to the 1%, and looking to line their nests.
Campaigns that can't even credibly fake it are in for a world of hurt. This could be the type of campaign season that our heroes like FDR and Truman relished. Tell the truth about the economy, and all the rented out politicians will feel like they are in hell.
Expose one big lie, and the whole facade should crumble. We can win it all.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)just has to slip Clintons name in there refering to Senetor Sanders as Hillarys abliet implying ownership.What poor journalism.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, cal.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Thank you for posting it here cal04!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)In a landslide, like never before seen in this country.
Go ahead, trolls, attack it! I know you will.
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)They're gonna run into those voting booths just like they voted in a certain Senator from Illinois.