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Olberman July 22, 2008: Obama will let ''Bush's Crimes Remain Buried For All Time'' (Original Post) Octafish Jul 2015 OP
it bears repeated watching niyad Jul 2015 #1
Not fair to blame just Obama. bvar22 Jul 2015 #2
given that Obama leads the party, I blame him. Add this to the list roguevalley Jul 2015 #3
The Democrats regained the majority in Congress in 2006, bvar22 Jul 2015 #4
I remember when Pelosi took war crimes 'off the table'. We were told that we had to wait until sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #24
Top-level Democrats lie to us again, and again, and again, in the most blatant manner possible. Maedhros Jul 2015 #32
Yep, during the months of Spring 2007, Congress was just truedelphi Jul 2015 #28
of course you would heaven05 Jul 2015 #16
Well put, my thoughts as well! nt haikugal Jul 2015 #9
you are correct heaven05 Jul 2015 #15
Bernie or HIllary would do the same? bvar22 Jul 2015 #19
The political system and the candidate(s) heaven05 Jul 2015 #21
Still can't support your "guess"? bvar22 Jul 2015 #34
I don't care what you "prefer" heaven05 Jul 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Jul 2015 #38
No doubt Hillary would have done the same. Bernie otoh, in 2009 with a Dem sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #26
The CIA and the National Security State are the people who actually broke the law. jalan48 Jul 2015 #5
Anyone remember the transition when Pres-Elect Obama went to WH? KeepItReal Jul 2015 #6
Just part of the Family now Hydra Jul 2015 #10
it only goes to show you -- bipartisanship more often than not stupidicus Jul 2015 #7
Shout out to Octafish, a DU treasure! Now, in regards to the post, silvershadow Jul 2015 #8
They never would have let him run if he had not already agreed to all that's been done Hydra Jul 2015 #11
. haikugal Jul 2015 #12
Bvar22 Also a DU Treasure! Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #13
If anyone actually expected something like that to happen iandhr Jul 2015 #14
Ah, but "Hope & Change" dougolat Jul 2015 #20
Pulling ground troops out of two countries iandhr Jul 2015 #22
Clinton could have passed heritage care in 1994 when Gingrich proposed it. luckily Doctor_J Jul 2015 #25
To compare our President to Newt Gingrich is the stupidest thing I have ever heard here. iandhr Jul 2015 #36
"Money trumps peace (AND justice), sometimes." seafan Jul 2015 #17
Why the hell did they replace the great Olbermann with Mr Narcolepsy Chris Hayes? zebonaut Jul 2015 #18
And more of the same coming with Hillary Doctor_J Jul 2015 #23
I saw it when it first aired. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #27
It would have been counterproductive and ill-advised to the extreme Lil Missy Jul 2015 #29
His job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Octafish Jul 2015 #30
You can pound your head against this issue all day long, and get nowhere. Maedhros Jul 2015 #33
"Let?" Obama is actively involved in the cover-up. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #35

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
2. Not fair to blame just Obama.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jul 2015

The entire Democratic Party, beginning with Nancy Pelosi (then Speaker of the House) is responsible for letting these World Class Murders & Crooks run free.


You know, at one time, the USA had an "Opposition Party".
NOW, its ALL "You cover my ass, and I'll cover yours,
and FUCK the citizens of America and the World."

THIS is ALL about US, and ONLY us.

Justice=Just Us



You will know them by their WORKS!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
3. given that Obama leads the party, I blame him. Add this to the list
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jul 2015

that Holder didn't investigate on the way to his eight figure salary.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
4. The Democrats regained the majority in Congress in 2006,
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jul 2015

...two years before Obama was elected. THAT was when Pelosi took investigations of criminality in the Bush Administration "off the table".
THAT set the precedent.

...and , YES, the leader always must shoulder the blame.
President Obama certainly should have known better than to "pal around" with World Class Mass Murders like Bush & entourage.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. I remember when Pelosi took war crimes 'off the table'. We were told that we had to wait until
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jul 2015

we 'had the Senate and the WH' that Congress couldn't do it alone. So we did that. Then we were told we were 'moving forward'.

That is when people began to see the whole picture for the first time.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
32. Top-level Democrats lie to us again, and again, and again, in the most blatant manner possible.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

And we reward them with puppy-like loyalty.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. Yep, during the months of Spring 2007, Congress was just
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jul 2015

Too damn busy to handle dealing with the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld war crimes.

However the Democratic majority Congress did have the time to recalibrate the postal rates. They helped Amazon to a really nice big piece of For Profits Pie.

Amazon now has their deliveries handled by the US Postal Service, even on Sundays! At a reduced rate. (Which is why they can offer their shipping free to the consumer.)
Who pays? We in the small business world have to pony up to make up for the deep discounts Congress offered Amazon.

Clearly it was far too important to the leading members of Congress to help out Jeff Bezos, rather than make the Bush Administration pay for their crimes. And I still have no idea of what the quid pro quo for these leading members happened to be? But it would not at all surprise me to find out their families can get cozy and "no work required" executive level positions at Amazon for the next Millenium!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Bernie or HIllary would do the same?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jul 2015

That is a pure GUESS on your part.
I prefer posts supported by reasoned opinions and references.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. The political system and the candidate(s)
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jul 2015

is all I need as proof of my statement. "Prefer" anything you please, The insulated bubble you're in is sure to burst one day, just don't be close to it....

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
34. Still can't support your "guess"?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jul 2015

..but prefer to post diversions instead.
Whatever works for you.

I still prefer reasoned opinions backed with support and references.
You just keep taking shots in the dark if that makes you happy.
At least you don't have to see your "misses".

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. I don't care what you "prefer"
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jul 2015

Is that clear enough for you. America is divided into camps now, racial, political, haves, have some and have not's.. Don't talk to me about division. Actually it seems to be, whatever works for the privileged is what counts. Like you. Typical.

Response to heaven05 (Reply #37)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. No doubt Hillary would have done the same. Bernie otoh, in 2009 with a Dem
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

Congress and Senate, though now that we know more about the entire 'rigged system' (thank you Elizabeth Warren) might have tried, but most likely would not have had the cooperation of Dems to get the appropriate prosecutions.

Get the MONEY OUT OF POLITICS! The most important issue in this campaign. And one that polls show over 80% of Americans agree with.

THAT, says Joe Biden in agreement with Bernie who admits that one person cannot do much alone, has to be the #1 issue in this campaign, because Biden says 'until that is accomplished, NOTHING else can be'.

jalan48

(14,029 posts)
5. The CIA and the National Security State are the people who actually broke the law.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

They did so with the OK of the Bush Administration. When Obama took office many of the same people were in the government, they didn't change with a new administration. How can you simply prosecute Bush/Cheney without going deeper into the mess? All the underlings who went along with it. It's a colossal can of worms Obama wouldn't open because the fact is, it would have exposed what the National Security State is doing in our name, and has been doing for decades. Not to mention that these folks have information on everyone, including Obama. Remember when they eavesdropped on the Senate Committee investigating them?

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
6. Anyone remember the transition when Pres-Elect Obama went to WH?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

President Bush came out of that meeting with President Elect Obama looking like he didn't have a care in the world.

I knew then, there'd be no consequences for Bush & Co.


Hydra

(14,459 posts)
10. Just part of the Family now
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jul 2015

I also remember how the inauguration was- you could tell the Bush Admin felt like it was in good hands.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
7. it only goes to show you -- bipartisanship more often than not
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jul 2015

means the rest of us are getting screwed.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
8. Shout out to Octafish, a DU treasure! Now, in regards to the post,
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jul 2015

can you just imagine if he had tried? My God, they'd have gotten to him before he could get to the safety of JFK's limousine. But I sure get your point. I too, am quite disappointed that it does appear Bushco might get off Scot-free. (no offense to the Scottish, I actually don't know where that phrase comes from)

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
11. They never would have let him run if he had not already agreed to all that's been done
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jul 2015

That said, selling your soul is always your own decision. Someone else(Hillary?) would have been happy to do it in his place, but that does no absolve the one who does it.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
12. .
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

scot-free (adj.) Look up scot-free at Dictionary.com
Old English scotfreo "exempt from royal tax," from scot "royal tax," from Old Norse skot "contribution," literally "a shooting, shot; thing shot, missile," from PIE *skeud- "to shoot, chase, throw" (see shoot (v.); the Old Norse verb form, skjota, has a secondary sense of "transfer to another; pay&quot + freo (see free (adj.)). First element related to Old English sceotan "to pay, contribute," Dutch schot, German Schoß "tax, contribution." French écot "share" (Old French escot) is from Germanic.

dougolat

(716 posts)
20. Ah, but "Hope & Change"
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jul 2015

and fresh oaths to uphold the Constitution
made the possibility seem real,
even if in some limited manner.

Agreed, naive.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
22. Pulling ground troops out of two countries
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jul 2015

A Health care bill that has befuddled every Presdient since Turman. Ending DADT. I call that hope and change. Oh yeah Marrige Equalty too.

I actually listened when he said "the change I seek might not happen in my life time" it means that battle never ends.


We still have more work to do. An example would be a national non discrimination law to protect our LGBT citizens from being fired from there jobs for who.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
25. Clinton could have passed heritage care in 1994 when Gingrich proposed it. luckily
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jul 2015

There were enough real dems in government then to spike it. Obama is a Gingrich republican, and so is Hillary.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
17. "Money trumps peace (AND justice), sometimes."
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jul 2015


Smirk.

Bet that huge Bush spread in Paraguay is still there in case it's needed on short notice.

Thanks for giving a damn, Octafish.

We will get to the other side of this madness; of that I have no doubt.


 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. And more of the same coming with Hillary
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think I'm going to vote for her. It won't make any difference but I at least won't be an accomplice

onecaliberal

(34,112 posts)
27. I saw it when it first aired.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

I just remember becoming so disillusioned. POTUS Obama has been fantastic on so many levels. But this, I believe, is a stain on his presidency and our nation. War criminals are not only walking free but are celebrated by a frightening amount of people.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
29. It would have been counterproductive and ill-advised to the extreme
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jul 2015

His job was to run the country, not to make DU happy.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. His job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jul 2015

That includes the laws of the land -- and that extends to investigating and prosecuting traitors, war criminals, warmongers, war profiteers, and banksters.

As for making DU happy, that would come naturally from the above.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
33. You can pound your head against this issue all day long, and get nowhere.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary/Obama supporters are fighting with the Republicans over a trinket called "the White House." This thing called "the Constitution" is not nearly as shiny.

Remember: how we feel about the President is so much more important than what he actually does.

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