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Body Cam Shows Cop Walk into Backyard and Shoot and Kill a Family’s Small Dog (Original Post) Garion_55 Aug 2015 OP
The only thought that comes to mind is, CrispyQ Aug 2015 #1
it's a tossup. if you've ever been attacked and bitten your opinion might be different. article does msongs Aug 2015 #2
maybe but i do pest control for a living Garion_55 Aug 2015 #5
I've always thought I was good with dogs, bvar22 Aug 2015 #19
looks like that dog was charging full speed for an attack. And yes, "article" has no context uhnope Aug 2015 #6
Most Family dogs aren't Vicious, I am sure if the Officer had yelled Heel the dog would have stopped Heather MC Aug 2015 #21
Except for ignorant fucks, the rest of us rely on training and not being a jack-booted nazi thug. jtuck004 Aug 2015 #23
I've waded into dog fights a number of times to separate dogs Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #27
We need to get on this, they're totally out of control! haikugal Aug 2015 #3
Cops are afraid of everything lame54 Aug 2015 #4
I bet he wet himself, before he pulled the trigger Heather MC Aug 2015 #22
Give a cop a gun, it becomes the default solution to all problems. Shrike47 Aug 2015 #7
Hammer wielders see nails everywhere. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #52
this happens a lot iamthebandfanman Aug 2015 #8
Been attacked and bitten! Small, old woman! STILL condemn this shooting! raging moderate Aug 2015 #9
26 lb dog. My dog would come out barking ferociously as that is her job. False burglary uppityperson Aug 2015 #10
My dogs too! I have a beware of dogs sign posted at all gates and entrances. Laser102 Aug 2015 #25
Too bad cops aren't as brave as postal carriers. You know, the people the GOP valerief Aug 2015 #11
No shit. blackspade Aug 2015 #49
Indeed! Duppers Aug 2015 #50
Fucking coward world wide wally Aug 2015 #12
When will this stop? Old Crow Aug 2015 #13
Sadly, the police view themselves as an occupying army. FuzzyRabbit Aug 2015 #35
Everything looked correct to me -sorry. StoneCarver Aug 2015 #14
Well, I applaud you for not getting caught up in group-think. Old Crow Aug 2015 #15
it was a 26 pound dog d_r Aug 2015 #18
If everything was correct explain to me why the cop when asked why he didn't knock A Simple Game Aug 2015 #45
Exactly. nt Duppers Aug 2015 #53
If the dog tripped the alarm then I'd call it a false alarm. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #54
This is why the folks who deliver the mail have mace.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #16
Other then the shooting... Helen Borg Aug 2015 #17
I can't understand why he didn't shoot the lady, too. NBachers Aug 2015 #20
I can't watch a dog get shot and I love your response Politicalboi Aug 2015 #29
I'm thinking I need to put signs on all windows, fences, doors: suzanner Aug 2015 #24
Keep making enemies. Someone will wish you hadn't. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #26
Very sad, but I don't see anything negligent here Android3.14 Aug 2015 #28
actually the dog never touched the cop. never got the chance Garion_55 Aug 2015 #30
Unfortunately, that is a dangerous way to deal with the threat of injury Android3.14 Aug 2015 #34
He could have used a taser. PADemD Aug 2015 #38
He could have Android3.14 Aug 2015 #42
No reason to shoot the dog gwheezie Aug 2015 #31
I am not even going to watch that. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #32
Why do meter readers & mailmen NEVER have the need to carry guns,yet cops seem to have "no other Faryn Balyncd Aug 2015 #33
Unfuckingbelievable n/t ejbr Aug 2015 #36
Keep this wuss out of dog parks damnedifIknow Aug 2015 #37
That is fucked up Ahpook Aug 2015 #39
This pig was convicted of vehicular homicide before... Ino Aug 2015 #40
Wow. That is a really scary dog. EEO Aug 2015 #41
So he feared for his life from that little dog. The Jungle 1 Aug 2015 #43
Fire this coward immediately! mpgalloway Aug 2015 #44
Police are not heros and never will be. Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #46
Fucking pig Jeb Bartlet Aug 2015 #47
Cops are a sickness. blackspade Aug 2015 #48
I can promis you I would not have shot unless the dog was already biting me Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #51
He could have shot an effing Bean Bag at the dog. zebonaut Aug 2015 #55
Sending love and comfort to the grieving dog owner who acted with such restraint and class joanbarnes Aug 2015 #56

msongs

(67,417 posts)
2. it's a tossup. if you've ever been attacked and bitten your opinion might be different. article does
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

not say why the cop was wandering around in the backyard in the first place

Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
5. maybe but i do pest control for a living
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

hit about 20 houses a day. have run into multiple dogs running around their properties.

never been bit or attacked and never had to shoot one. always carry treats with me just in case. ready to run and smack them with my chemical sprayer and jump in the back of my truck if it comes to it.

just part of the job

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. I've always thought I was good with dogs,
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015

but I recently had the chance to ride with the Electric Meter Reader in our area which is very rural
and PLENTY of big dogs that run free, and are not used to seeing strangers pull into THEIR yard.

My friend (the meter reader) was one of the best at DE-escalating an angry or defensive dog I have ever seen.
Now all the dogs love him, and the rather reclusive people who live way back in the woods trust their dog's opinion. He has made friends with hermits who won't talk to anyone else.
Many people judge you by how you treat their dogs.

Being "good" to their dogs has won him approval and recommendations.
I keep telling him that one day he will meet a "bad" dog and get in trouble.
He just laughs, and pets the next untethered Pit Bull at the next house.


 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
21. Most Family dogs aren't Vicious, I am sure if the Officer had yelled Heel the dog would have stopped
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:05 PM
Aug 2015

running towards him.

Does this lady look like she would own a dangerous dog?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. Except for ignorant fucks, the rest of us rely on training and not being a jack-booted nazi thug.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:14 PM
Aug 2015

In Canada they teach people how to avoid dog bites, in grade school, and they have classes for the police and postal workers, others.

It Works. They don't use guns, like fat lazy, stupid Americans.

Got better health care too, just in case.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. I've waded into dog fights a number of times to separate dogs
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:25 PM
Aug 2015

and managed to avoid getting any serious damage beyond picking up a few scars here and there. I've never even considered using deadly force on a dog.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
8. this happens a lot
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

especially in rural areas.
I know people who have had their dogs shot by county sheriffs before. they didn't say a word to the owner, just walked into the yard and shot their pet. the gunshot was their warning/notice.
ive seriously heard of them doing it over complaints that 'the dog is loud and ACTS aggressive (but no proof of such)'.. they just take the complaint and go do it. animals aren't worthy of fact checking, apparently.. especially when u have an officer who wants to use his weapon because he/she never gets too.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
9. Been attacked and bitten! Small, old woman! STILL condemn this shooting!
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

In fact, last summer, while walking to many houses with Democratic literature, my husband and I approached a house only to have the teabagger man swear at us and sic his dogs on us! However, WE know how to talk to dogs (although we don't have any of our own). Perhaps this officer needs to hire a small, old woman to accompany him on his rounds to protect him from the common hazards found in residential neighborhoods. Or maybe find a different job.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
10. 26 lb dog. My dog would come out barking ferociously as that is her job. False burglary
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:22 PM
Aug 2015

report was why they said he was there, but wtf. This is wrong.

Laser102

(816 posts)
25. My dogs too! I have a beware of dogs sign posted at all gates and entrances.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:16 PM
Aug 2015

Still, we have had people reach inside the gate and undo the latches. Our local police said if they still want to come in to let the dogs bite them. We will not be held responsible.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
11. Too bad cops aren't as brave as postal carriers. You know, the people the GOP
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:23 PM
Aug 2015

are always denigrating and our GOP Congress wants to put out of business.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
13. When will this stop?
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:39 PM
Aug 2015

I am disgusted by the way American police are trained to use deadly force to address EVERY instance of even the slightest amount of risk.

Is there a 0.004% chance that the toy gun a child is holding is actually a real gun? Is there a 0.036% chance that the black man approaching the cruiser is going to attempt to grab the officer's weapon? Is there a 0.6% chance that you cannot avoid this charging dog by standing on one of the patio chairs until the owner can come get him?

Response: SHOOT TO KILL IMMEDIATELY.

Suburban backyards are not war zones. Police officers are not soldiers deep in hostile territory, there to kill the enemy.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
35. Sadly, the police view themselves as an occupying army.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:47 PM
Aug 2015

"Suburban backyards are not war zones. Police officers are not soldiers deep in hostile territory, there to kill the enemy."

This is exactly how most police view themselves: US citizens are the enemy, the police are there to punish the enemy.

 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
14. Everything looked correct to me -sorry.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

The cop was checking out a tripped alarm he had to be ready for anything! The dog was charging and ready to attack. The cop definitely felt bad about it. I would too. I don't see any way to prevent it. That cop had a fraction of a second to make a decision. That was NOT a small dog as the title said. It was a medium sized dog -50 lbs. Anyone dis'n this cop should do a ride along sometime. Unfortunately we don't live in Mayberry anymore. I wish we did.
Stonecarver

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
15. Well, I applaud you for not getting caught up in group-think.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:50 PM
Aug 2015

You make some good points. Thinking it over, I'm now on the fence regarding the police officer's actions. The problem is that I'm seeing this video in the context of the epidemic of police overreactions nationwide, which seem to be the result of a shoot-first, zero-risk-tolerance policy.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
18. it was a 26 pound dog
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 05:13 PM
Aug 2015

It looks small to me, but such things are relative of course. Our dog right now is 37 pounds and I think she is a small dog.
That neighborhood is a little more upscale than anything I ever saw on the Andy Griffith show, and the officer's demeanor changes quite a bit when he learns the lady is a judge's wife.

Honestly, I thought that was a pretty cowardly reaction, but I'm not afraid of dogs and I'm not very high strung so I understand people can react differently. But that was a dog just wanting to bark.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
45. If everything was correct explain to me why the cop when asked why he didn't knock
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:22 PM
Aug 2015

on the front door explained he didn't know if an intruder was in the house right after he had no problem knocking on a back window? Not to mention 2 shots kind of lets everyone know you are there.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
54. If the dog tripped the alarm then I'd call it a false alarm.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:58 AM
Aug 2015

And I'm pretty sure the dogs of today are no more out to get us than the dogs of Mayberry days. You can't place the change in human society on animals.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. This is why the folks who deliver the mail have mace....
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:51 PM
Aug 2015

Oh wait,....cops have that too.

Barney Fife here probably doesn't even know where it is on his Sam Browne.

suzanner

(590 posts)
24. I'm thinking I need to put signs on all windows, fences, doors:
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:15 PM
Aug 2015

Police: Pet dog here; do not shoot my dog- she may bark or appear frightening to you (she's a 12 pound Pomeranian)
If the officer here has a dog, he should've known what to do or not do. The charge doesn't always mean attack. What a do-fuss.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
28. Very sad, but I don't see anything negligent here
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:25 PM
Aug 2015

The dog sure appeared to be attacking the cop, and the officer's behavior afterwards was calm and sympathetic.

The suggestion to throw a chew bone to distract the dog would be as effective as throwing a sugar cube on a horse track in the middle of a race.

I feel sad for all those involved.

Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
30. actually the dog never touched the cop. never got the chance
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:36 PM
Aug 2015

he was shot for running up to the cop nothing else.

if a cop cant handle a running 25 lb dog perhaps he is in the wrong profession.

regardless the policy and the law should be that you cannot shoot and kill a dog until after the dog has made some kind of physical contact. show me the bite, then its all good. no bite no justification.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
34. Unfortunately, that is a dangerous way to deal with the threat of injury
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:46 PM
Aug 2015

I've been around dogs all my life. When you are in someone else's territory and a strange dog is charging towards you, only a fool stands there and waits to be bitten, just to be sure.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
42. He could have
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:14 PM
Aug 2015

But he didn't.

Hindsight is 20/20. He could have run, could have used pepper spray, could have kicked the animal away, could have thrown something at the dog, and etc. He shot the dog.

What he did was respond to the threat, and then he dealt professionally with the aftermath. I saw no evidence of depravity, incompetence, adrenaline addiction, racial profiling, or anything else. The cop shot a dog that was charging towards him.

The problem I have is that the OP is using the incident to instigate outrage at cops in general.

I'd rather we stayed focused on the real problems of racial profiling, abuse of authority, sociopaths working as cops, and outright lying to cover their asses.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
31. No reason to shoot the dog
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:41 PM
Aug 2015

This can't be the 1st little dog that charged at him, he hasn't figured out how to handle this yet? Squirt the dog with pepper spray for heaven's sake.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
32. I am not even going to watch that.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:41 PM
Aug 2015

There is no excuse for killing a family pet that is simply trying to defend its owners property.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
33. Why do meter readers & mailmen NEVER have the need to carry guns,yet cops seem to have "no other
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:45 PM
Aug 2015



....option" but to kill dogs on a regular basis?







damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
37. Keep this wuss out of dog parks
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:51 PM
Aug 2015

Dogs charge all the time barking then usually stop and just bark. This dog was in it's own backyard and had every right to react.

Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
39. That is fucked up
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:53 PM
Aug 2015

I had a cop threaten to shoot my Labrador if I didn't call him back.

They know a TRUE threat when presented to them. My Lab never acted like that unless an asshole was in his territory.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
40. This pig was convicted of vehicular homicide before...
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:04 PM
Aug 2015
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-08-03/topeka-police-officer-fatally-shoots-retired-judges-dog-his-backyard
Authorities said Cruse was driving his Topeka police patrol car en route to what turned out to be a false burglar alarm at a North Topeka business in April 2002 when he ran a stop sign and struck a vehicle driven by 61-year-old Leonard “Butch” Porter.

Cruse pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a year in jail for vehicular homicide, with most of that sentence being suspended. He was initially fired from the Topeka Police Department before an arbitrator ordered his reinstatement to that department in 2003, Topeka Capital-Journal archives show.


Yay cops!

mpgalloway

(34 posts)
44. Fire this coward immediately!
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:16 PM
Aug 2015

This guy has no business "protecting & serving".
If he can't handle a family pet he should be in another line of work!

This is what happens when the police hire bottom feeders because they are
afraid to hire someone who might be smarter than them.

How sad little men they have become with guns for brains!

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
48. Cops are a sickness.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:09 AM
Aug 2015

What a heartless prick.

At one point I thought he was going to say he was sorry....instead he tells her he takes alarms seriously.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
51. I can promis you I would not have shot unless the dog was already biting me
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:17 AM
Aug 2015

If I really felt it could do something more than inflict a few puncture wounds I would shoot but until it reached that point there is no way I would shoot it. Frankly I would not have been scared of being bitten by a dog that size. I would have kicked it back a couple of feet first. Too many cops go to their gun too quick and its tragic!

joanbarnes

(1,722 posts)
56. Sending love and comfort to the grieving dog owner who acted with such restraint and class
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
Aug 2015

Nothing can describe my contempt for the murdorous cop.

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