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Related: About this forumWarpy
(111,261 posts)There wasn't anything at the site.
At least this family looks like they lived through it, unlike people stopped for DWB.
That kid is going to spend the rest of his life hating cops.
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)After a second viewing I realized the one cop says "Our dog alerted on your vehicle". But my impression is that they said this because they realized the camera was going. Why didn't they say that when he asked them what their suspicion was? If the dog did alert it was probably because as she said, they just came from the doctor and had prescription drugs because they did not look nervous in the least entering that checkpoint. I don't care if he looks like he "could" be a drug addict, what occurred there was way over the line.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)I've denied entry to cops doing a door to door search by telling them to slip the warrant under the door so I could have a look at it. They left.
I don't think they liked the guy's looks--wiry, thin, beard, maybe a couple of tats, gotta be a tweaker or worse.
It's hard not to feel sorry for the kid, he was terrified. The kid is also likely why the guy didn't get manhandled more than he was.
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)They use the BS line "The Dog Alerted Me" to cover themselves:
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)That's pastor Anderson of "let's kill all the gays" fame.
The only reason him and his ilk are worried about the Bill Of Rights is because a Black Democratic President is in office.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/organizations/faithful-word-baptist-church
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)He pushes the envelope on these kind of stops, often too far but in this case he was in the right.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)I just don't think he and his ilk, for the most part, gave a shit when Bush was in office.
I watch a lot of these YouTube videos: cop block, photagraphy is not a crime (founded by a former(?) DUer), honor your oath etc. etc. once you watch one, youtube feeds you a bunch more. Between these and aviation video, I can get sucked in on a Sunday
Sometimes I feel like we have common ground with these folks... Then I read the comments section ... and see comments that this is all "the statist commie fascist Kenyan Muslim Obama's fault" - totally ignorant of the previous 8 years of bush and patriot act or 35 years of reagan initiated drug war.
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...to alerting on vehicles their handlers want to search. Not vehicles that have drugs.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)I've run in to the same attitude when crossing the border in Texas. Yes, there are good cops and border patrol agents; but damn, there are plenty enough of these types of thugs in the ranks as well.
Hope he gets a nice settlement from these thugs. Put his wife and little one through some real trauma.
Their are only Bad cops. one bad cop does this kind of lying crap, Revenue collection, and road piracy, The other bad cop facilitates this kind of Bad Policy by remaining silent, compliant, and facilitating this bad behavior. Their are NO GOOD COPS!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...until I see these supposed good cops testifying against these so called bad cops I will have to presume they are all bad cops. That the bad apples have spoiled the barrel..
I will note. One of the first things the cop did when he had control of the car is to turn off the recording. These things should require a password to stop and should be hidden.
And never open your window more than is needed to speak through. Never. I hop that kid grows up hating cops. It is the reputation they deserve.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And the cops don't care if we see it...in fact I think they want us to see it to strike fear into the public...terrorism works.
valerief
(53,235 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)It is like Frank Zappa said...when it becomes to costly to maintain the illusion they will draw back the curtain remove the furniture and you will see the brick wall at the back of the stage.
They no longer give a fuck if we know as long as we fear them.
NBachers
(17,110 posts)1. Go to any international border in the world.
2. Behave this way
3. See how the cops react.
Slam me all you want, but I believe in being courteous, diplomatic, and cooperative at international border crossings. Especially if I'm responsible for other people who could be harmed by my refusal to cooperate.
Sorry, my "Stand up and and stick it to the man" attitude put me into too many handcuffs, squad cars, and holding cells. Eventually, I learned that it wasn't making anything good happen for me.
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)..how to comply. Things will go so much better for you when they order you around.
NBachers
(17,110 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)
Tell him what you think of him, and don't let him order you around. Refuse to comply. Don't take any shit from this cop!!
Do everything you can to provoke the pig. I'll give you extra points if you pin him down by rolling his arm up in your electric car window while your car is running.
Get someone to film it, and then post it here on the Democratic Underground! You'll be both a victim, and a hero!
you bad, dude! You don't take any shit from them cops! Nossir!
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...to them the will let you have your rights. If you suck up real hard you might even get a job from them.
Comply, obey, be polite. Don't live your life but remember always be polite.
You know keeping your head down and saying 'ya sir' might be a wonderful learned survival skill but it is no way to live.
NBachers
(17,110 posts)because they fear such a big, bad Freedom Warrior as you.
What international borders have you blustered and intimidated your way through without being restrained and investigated?
I really want to hear all about it, so I can be just like you.
nightscanner59
(802 posts)Asking where you're going is SOP for border patrol agents. Point of the question is just to see your reaction, your eye contact, your general demeanor.
Dude behind the wheel totally asked for harassment, vehicle search, and got it. Some actions by the agent seemed a little out of line as well (reaching through the window) but had the driver just been a courteous traveler, it would likely have gone like:
I know I've been through these checkpoints hundreds of times. "Hi where you going?" (I state anywhere, smiling) "Cool dog" "Thanx" "Have a nice day" "Bye now".
1monster
(11,012 posts)Different states have different rules about identification and all states have requirements about showing driver's license, registration, and insurance.
But other than that, you are not required to answer anything.
Did you see the video up thread where the minister was manhandled, tazed, and otherwise injured? He wasn't anywhere near an international border...
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)all the checkpoints in the US are not at the border.
If you live anywhere within the orange colored zone, you may be stopped by Border Patrol for any reason they deem is acceptable, which by their definition includes sneezing, wrong hair color, color of skin, tattoos, male or female, anything. And then when they rough you up, they'll just say he looked suspicious and plant some drugs on you.
http://www.wired.com/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/
blackspade
(10,056 posts)What a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
nightscanner59
(802 posts)This is a border patrol checkpoint. Ever since Patriot Act, all of your vehicle is automatically subject to search at the patrolman's discretion automatically.
Had the driver simply acted the courteous traveller, didn't matter if he just bullshitted the officer about destination. The moment he flapped his big trap with "insubordination", he made himself a target for harassment and search.
I agree some of the actions of the BP officer were a bit out of line as well.
Regardless, had driver just acted a little bit more politely, he'd likely have simply been on his way outta there.
Keep-Left
(66 posts)but I dont see what they did wrong. Guy was being uncooperative and really left them no choice.
They have a job to do to protective the US from people coming in the country illegally and bring in drugs or weapons.
Im glad they are doing their job. You lose certain rights leaving the country than coming back in. It wasnt like he was just crossing state lines.
Try getting into any country in this world and you go through a hell of a lot more than some questions
suzanner
(590 posts)instead of their ego, they would be able to tolerate someone citing their rights. What smuggler would do that? I mean think about it. Yes, border crossings/customs can be tricky and most locals know which are more picky. Once my Canadian husband, was detained/questioned an hour for having a library card from a US city where he went to college. So they must have taken his wallet to start with. Thereafter, he carried proof of employment, citizenship- that was years ago though.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)There are boarder patrol checkpoints all over the SW US along freeways and highways well away from the boarder.
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)I live in New Mexico and they have these stops on 1-25, I-10 and near White Sands, all about 30 to 70 miles from the border. They are there to catch drugs not illegals. He actually was being cooperative as he told them he was a US Citizen which is all he is required to tell the "Border Patrol". It may seem un-corporative to not tell them where you are going but the reason they ask that is to try and catch you in a contradiction so they can search your car. Lawyers will tell you to avoid saying more than you have to. Would I have told them where I was going? Yes, but he had the right not to and that doesn't make him uncooperative in the least.
Keep-Left
(66 posts)good stuff
valerief
(53,235 posts)You've earned yourself a Forever Ignore!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Good-bye.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)These are USCBP (Border Patrol).
It totally sucks, and any reasonable person would see it as a violation of the Constitution, buuuuut...
https://www.aclu.org/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
enough
(13,259 posts)Thanks for posting this.
One snip from the long article>
Much of U.S. population affected
Many people think that border-related policies only impact people living in border towns like El Paso or San Diego. The reality is that Border Patrol's interior enforcement operations encroach deep into and across the United States, affecting the majority of Americans.
Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population lives within the 100-mile zonethat is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That's about 200 million people.
Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont lie entirely or almost entirely within this area.
Nine of the ten largest U.S. metropolitan areas, as determined by the 2010 Census, also fall within this zone: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and San Jose.
snip> much more at link.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I don't care if this is border patrol or not. No one deserves to be treated like this, with no reason for suspicion. I'm sure a dog alerted them about his car. Yeah right!!! I didn't see any dog. Unfortunately we don't know the end of the story. Did he have any drugs, or anything illegal?
Police reform is in desperate need in this country. You don't treat people like this. Bernie Sanders agrees, and is the only candidate talking about this.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)to hop in this car that is personal property and drive it anywhere? I don't care if it was ten feet this is wrong.
1monster
(11,012 posts)got it started for him.
On the other hand, I guess they would have towed and impounded the car and the owners would have been stuck with the costs. So she did what she had too.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Taitertots
(7,745 posts)It's literally nothing more than a scam to search any car they want.