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GoLeft TV

(3,910 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:08 PM Aug 2015

How Many More Deaths Until We Get Serious On Gun Control?

The on-air murders of a TV news reporter and cameraman has thrust the issue of gun control back into the national dialogue. This is a conversation that we should be having, but politicians are still toeing the NRA’s line.

Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins and Sam Seder discuss this.

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Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
1. So long as the leaders of the NRA don't have skin in the game this will continue
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

It takes a family tragedy for some people to reconsider their political positions.

Sometimes even that is not enough.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Just 2 or 3 years ago, the then NRA Prez's son spent time in jail for shooting another
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:25 PM
Aug 2015

motorist in a road rage incident. Didn't change a thing. I bet it wouldn't have made a difference if his grandson killed himself finding his daddy's gun. These gunners are that sick.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
10. I had a gun nut -- and that is the correct term for him -- tell me
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 05:48 AM
Sep 2015

That there is no such thing as "reasonable gun control". According to him, any limitation whatsoever placed on gun ownership was just an attempt by the "gun grabbers" to restrict all gun ownership.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
2. nothing will happen until a bunch of rich people or politicians get killed by gun fire
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

the mind set of the powers that be is that there is plenty of little people but very few people worthy of running this country ...... so the need to protect them is great

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Unless we get rid of our gutless Congressional members who are probably receiving "benefits" from
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:25 PM
Aug 2015

The NRA and they vote against our better interest and against the will of the people. For years Grover Norquist bullied the weak ones who signed his agreement not to pass tax bills, well, they went against Norquist and passed taxes and the sky did not fall. I think one of the things I will be looking for in candidates is a F rating from NRA, anything less means they have been bowing to the NRA.

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
6. I can't believe it's happened again
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:44 PM
Aug 2015

Or maybe I can. I thought that maybe, maybe the horror of Sandy Hook might have
given the Congress pause, but no...

It is an OUTRAGE that we have to take this domestic terrorism sitting down-- that it's
"just one of those things" that happens in America and that's that.



Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
7. As nothing happened after Sandy Hook, nothing ever will happen . . .
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:11 PM
Aug 2015

Face it. We had a "discussion," it somewhat lasted for decades -- from JFK's death to this morning -- and whatever rules and regulations, whatever concessions, were obtained in those years are the best we can hope to acquire. Nothing else of any substance is going to change.

Better to devote time and energy to defending the 1st Amendment. The only ultimate hope we have that something may one day be accomplished is if we just keep talking about it. But as I see it this afternoon, little was done in the wake of John's murder, and nothing was done for those children, so I no longer expect my generation -- or those sharing this beautiful planet with me -- to accomplish anything more of substance.

This old comic from Tom Tomorrow goes a long ways to explain it:



Or, put another way:


MiniMe

(21,717 posts)
8. Right after a shooting "is not the time" to discuss it
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 06:13 PM
Aug 2015

According to the NRA. It is never the time to discuss it according to them.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. The occasional horrific massacre is just the price
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:45 PM
Aug 2015

the rest of us have to pay.

Maybe a shooter killing a bunch of elementary school children on live TV would make a difference, but I wouldn't count on it.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
11. Reasonable people, including hunters, support stricter gun control laws, and view the NRA
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:44 AM
Sep 2015

...as well as the lesser known, but just as bad GOA (Gun Owners of America) as being their enemy.

The extremist positions of these 2 groups are just as disgusting to a vast majority of hunters as they are to everyone else. No one needs to own automatic assault weapons or handguns to hunt deer.

Furthermore, all of the hunters that I know not only support existing gun laws, but would even like additional requirements. Laws such as mandatory safety programs, stronger, more exhaustive background checks (even if that means a longer wait) closing the gun show loophole, ect.. these are just to name a few...

I realize that this thread is not about hunting. But I do feel the need to point out why Bernie Sanders is not hesitant to support strong gun control laws, and score a D- with the NRA. In rural states like mine and Bernie's, hunting is an inexpensive way to supplement meager household grocery budgets. It is not about the ridiculous machismo of NRA-supporting idiots who wander around suburban shopping centers needlessly terrifying people with their lethal boy-toys just to make some unnecessary, ill-defined point.

Reasonable hunters support strict gun control. They don't support unyielding, irresponsible extremist groups like the NRA or GOA.

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