MSNBC: On Why Women 'Souring' on Clinton - She Needed Extensive Notes For 'Women' Speech - 'Staged'

[tomm2thumbs]

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Panel says she is overly stage-managed, and her performance was 'horrendous', 'beyond abysmal' compared to others, including Bernie Sanders, who "is setting the woods on fire".

Another panel member describes her performance akin to a Saturday Night Live parody sketch of Hillary Clinton, and she is completely out of step with the mood of the country right now. "No one is buying it."

Karen Tumulty of the Washington Post said women she has talked to says the email story is not itself the issue, but simply reminds them of all the drama of the 90's that they don't want to go back to via the Clintons.

The panel also contrasts Carly Fiorina's response to Trump after his 'face' comment against her.

[djean111]

1. No matter WHO says it, this, in a nutshell -

the email story is not itself the issue, but simply reminds them of all the drama of the 90's that they don't want to go back to via Clintons.

[virtualobserver]

3. it is exactly what I feel

these things always play out like this because of the way that the Clintons and their associates handle these things.

They are evasive and uncooperative and it creates unnecessary suspicion.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

16. And do we really want Bill puttering around the WH with nothing to do?

Something tells me he'll get into new trouble.

[A Simple Game]

31. Yes the email thing is exactly how Hillary always handles most things, under her total control.

The odd thing which this and her prior campaign in '08 showed is that she seems to have to let others handle her personal interaction with the public. The bad thing is when she is in control, as with her try at health care reform and again with her email debacle, or when she lets others handle her, she shows poor judgment.

[virtualobserver]

32. the trait that makes her an excellent lawyer, works against her in this context....

and it is unlikely that there would be anyone in her campaign with a different philosophy.

[A Simple Game]

33. Yes good point about the lawyer part. n/t

[roguevalley]

41. my brother and I are STILL not back together after the bill shit. I don't want

anymore bs. I am done with it. Bill sent her out to defend him knowing he was guilty and that he knew she would be pilloried over it. He threw his OWN WIFE under the bus. He threw us too because we defended his sorry ass. No more Clintons. I don't have enough brothers to lose over his bs and hers.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. Pretty much sums it up. Hillary is SO yesterday. Bernie can't stop thinkin about to tomorrow...

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

11. I see what you did there. ;-))) [nt]

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

18. If he could only get Warren on the ticket. Can you spell LANDSLIDE!?

[Rose Siding]

7. Yes, we must succumb to all gop media driven narratives

[djean111]

8. I do not think that the only reason people support candidates other than Hillary is because of

"GOP media driven narratives". If you think so, you are quite mistaken.

I supported Hillary last time. I voted for her in that very hubris-laden and ill-fated Florida primary.
In the years since, I have done my due diligence, and cannot support someone who is for the TPP, more war, fracking, cluster bombs, more H-1B visas. Not to mention Wall Street. The GOP did not have anything to do with my decision.

There is no denying that the Clintons have a lot of baggage and the GOP can hardly wait to attack.

[Rose Siding]

10. The "in a nutshell" remark misled me

No question that gops will attack but don't forget that Bernie's suitcase hasn't even been opened yet.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

20. Yes it has!

1) He's a SOCIALIST!
2) He wrote a trashy novel in his youth.

That is all they are going to find. The guy is clean as a whistle!

[erronis]

22. Well, his current wife may not have been honest with her finances. Just sayin'

I'm a Bernie supporter but I know that Jane's history will be brought out. She was president of a Burlington VT college while it slowly went bankrupt. http://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/

It's important for everyone to be up front with issues and not to try to cover them up. Opponents love nothing more than to have someone have to backtrack and issue mea culpas.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

24. As long as she didn't do anything illegal, I don't think that will hurt him - she's not running.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

26. Hopefully it can be explained as simple ignorance

In a recent interview, Leopold praised Sanders’ leadership, but he acknowledged that at the time he and other trustees were concerned when the pledges didn’t materialize. Sanders and other school officials had given presentations to the board confirming the $2.6 million in pledges.

Leopold never saw the actual signed pledge agreements, but he believes “the representations that were made at the time were made in good faith.”

“In hindsight a problem like this is an orphan, and there a lots of people who want to lay it at the feet of a specific person,” Leopold said.

Leopold emphasized that other members of the administration were also responsible for the capital campaign’s failure and a weak economy was also a factor.

[erronis]

27. Agree. It is not Bernie's problem, and the college funding was in a tough place,

as it is for many small institutions and businesses during tight economic times.

[roguevalley]

42. I guess if Bernie's wife is fair game, then so is Bill. Again. Just saying.

[erronis]

43. Absolutely. You buy the Clintons and you get the whole package!

They may need to have a hidden entrance for Bill...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. I read something a while back about a real estate deal....

Oh wait, that was the Clintons.

[SheilaT]

35. Not to mention his position on guns

is held up to show how awful he is.

[frylock]

36. Or we can just observe and come to our own conclusions..

Clinton is supposed to be a SME on issues that effect women. The fact that she had to bring extensive notes to speak to those issues, particularly in light of the fact that she has been running for President for the last 10 years, is just poor optics.

[AtheistCrusader]

2. Ok, I'm pretty pro-Bernie, but

I thought this stupid asshole was off the air? Was that Hannity then?

[U of M Dem]

9. Which do you prefer?

Clinton - Canned

Sanders - Candor

[Gidney N Cloyd]

12. Joe does this shit because he's a GOP rat. I can't figure Mika's happlily following along.

Is there some personal thing against Hillary that Mika has?

[asjr]

13. Joe usually has GOP members on his "show". It is

always rigged. As for Mika--she aims to please Joe.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

14. She doesn't always aim to please Joe. This is like one of those strained relationship things where..

...where the two people find some common thing to be against and redirect their anger for each other onto the common thing.

[asjr]

37. I quit watching that "show" some time ago. Juvenile Joe really sucks.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. Her job is to be the Liberal on the panel that agrees with him.....

Her dad is a big time member of the Trilateral Commission.

[zebonaut]

15. Still trying to figure out how a "liberal" network puts on Right Wing Shill like Scarborough

[KoKo]

17. MSNBC is not a "Liberal" network, though.

And, with their latest firings any claim to "center left" sort of went out the window. We got a clue long ago with Donahue firing because he was questioning build up to Iraq Invasion and Dylan Ratigan's experiment in examination of where our country was going after the 2008 Financial Meltdown with guests who had unconventional views from the usual Corporate/Think Tank MSM driven disinfo.

They have Mellisa Harris-Perry, Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow....but, they tend to be viewpoint orientated rather than Liberal Left.

[erronis]

23. And isn't Chris Hayes "moving on"?

I don't want to start a self-fulfilling rumor, but. But wouldn't it be better to get all the intelligent voices on networks that are known for their overall excellence? Please help me remember one or two - Pacifica, ?

[KoKo]

38. There's "Free Speech TV" and "Democracy Now" (Pacifica)

plus "The Real News Network" (does a good job on many topics) .....but, we need more. And, they are mostly found Online or through a Roku or other box for viewing.

I don't think we will see the MSM Cable or Network helping us Lib Left anytime in the near future, sadly. But if they start losing audience as more and more cut the cable cord...then there might be a chance.

[niyad]

19. is there a legitimate news source that has a take on this?

[freedom fighter jh]

21. Didn't sound stage managed to me.

Nothing wrong with glancing at her notes. She did not lean on them heavily.

[Fred Sanders]

25. Is this the same new MSNBC and Morning Joe show that is kissing the ass of Trump? Who cares about

their opinions, speculations and personal conclusions, truly????

And who eagerly passes along these silly personal megaphone blasted single opinions, not as their own of course, but still passed along....who?

And why?

[navarth]

44. must agree there, Fred. nt

[corkhead]

28. "Rick Perry 2012 territory"

ouch

[madamesilverspurs]

30. Who?

[riversedge]

34. Love your poster. I saw that OP headline earlier and passed it by

Then I opened it just now and crap--it was morning joe and his crap. He is pathologically obsessed with Hillary.

[kentuck]

45. They appear to be reading from teleprompters also...

And calling someone else "staged"? That takes the cake.

[rockfordfile]

46. What's with the

What's with the right wing crap? Look I like all of our candidates and will vote for the nominee.

To post video crap from that junk is telling.