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The Death Knell For Establishment Politics (Original Post) thomhartmann Feb 2016 OP
I suspect the revolution, of which Hartmenn speaks, iemitsu Feb 2016 #1
amen Pharaoh Feb 2016 #2
Well, will the Convention PATRICK Feb 2016 #3
Read up on the Minrority Report rpannier Feb 2016 #6
The establishment will not win Duckfan Feb 2016 #4
Quite impressive piece SmittynMo Feb 2016 #5

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
1. I suspect the revolution, of which Hartmenn speaks,
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

won't be stopped even if the establishment manages to rest this election from the people.
We are sick of the way things are.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
3. Well, will the Convention
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

allow ANY platform influence by the Sanders people that has ANY substance to allow room for a next time? Conventions themselves lately have become nothing more than rubber stamps bent on avoiding controversy and staging a showy impression. the whining that got us into this mess in the first place was avoiding spending too much money on infighting the big bad media would exploit with real dialogue, real competition and a real diverse slate. Maybe they lost their nerve sweating out the first debacle in 2008 when actual drama made its appearance in the primaries. Seems definitive since they're backing the second place finisher this time because the winner has served his terms.

Being sick of something doesn't mean you will or can change things, but things will fall apart eventually after a final push. the real story of this primary season has yet to approach its climax, notably about just who is going to get their own way and how much anyone is willing to compromise. HRC is all compromised out, understandably, but supposedly this is a big party.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
6. Read up on the Minrority Report
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:56 AM
Feb 2016

A candidate who gets 25% or more of the delegate count is entitled to the same percentage of representatives in the platform committee as they have percentage of the delegate count: Someone with 36% of the delegates gets a little over one-third of the committee seats.
At 25% the candidate or his representatives can ask for a Minority Report. A Minority Report sends to the floor for discussion and vote something that the Minority wants added or deleted to the Party Platform. It doesn't matter how unusual, fringe or outrageous it may sound, they are entitled to a convention discussion and floor vote.

Hubert Humphrey's insistence on a Minority Report at the 1948 Democratic Convention is the most significant use of the report (IMO). It was at that convention that Civil Rights was added to the Party platform. His proposal was narrowly approved, even with opposition from President Harry S Truman who felt it could gum up his re-election campaign.
It lead to the Mississippi delegation, much of the Alabama and parts of other southern delegations walking out and creating the States Rights Party under Strom Thurmond.

It doesn't happen often, partially because it's not easy to reach 25% of the delegates. HRC did in '08, but she and Obama seemed to be pretty much aligned on most issues and had put differences aside.
Jesse Jackson was the person before that in '88. He had lots of demands and they were discussed and voted on. The only one I can remember passing was statehood for Palestinians

Sanders will likely make 25% or more (if he doesn't win the nomination). This would give him leverage that he'd likely use to force into the platform controls on Wall Street, break up of banks, etc. It might force HRC to negotiate with Sanders as to who the Veep is. Though if she's set on Julian Castro Sanders likely wouldn't protest.

But, that cuts both ways. If Sanders gets the nomination, she can force some concessions (or at least discussion at the Convention). Castro again might be the Veep nominee, especially since the rumor-mill says she wants Castro. He's young, Hispanic, telegenic, a good speaker, etc

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/huberthumphey1948dnc.html

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