SOS Clinton: TPP "exciting, innovative, ambitious, groundbreaking, cutting-edge, high quality"

[tomm2thumbs]

I guess they really put a nice, thick coat of shellac on that TPP to make it go 180 degrees, from "exciting, innovative, ambitious, groundbreaking, cutting-edge, high quality and high standard" to 'I don't support it' hmmmm....

[tomm2thumbs]

1. S.O.S.

appropriate perhaps

[BillZBubb]

2. Don't worry, soon enough she'll be back on board.

She's just using a little primary triangulation to get the gullible saps to support her.

[Arugula Latte]

18. You guys wanna start a DU pool on how fast she'll pivot on TPP

if she gets the nomination?

We'll probably all pick "same day" though, so it might not work...

[Moostache]

22. I would go with milliseconds myself...(n/t)

[SoapBox]

25. You got that right!

Because ya know, It's the Gold Standard!

[lewebley3]

30. Hillary is against the TPP: The TPP is Obama's thing: and he's the one that loves it.

[BillZBubb]

31. Right, she was for it before she was against it.

Not buying it, my friend.

[lewebley3]

32. We only have one President at a time: Hillary voted against the trade deals

[BillZBubb]

33. You might want to do some research on that.

[lewebley3]

36. I have: Senator Boxeer said she voted against the trade deals with Hillary

[lewebley3]

34. She worked for Obama and then she didn't: Obama had policies and Hillary has polices

[Kip Humphrey]

3. She openly lied. When she changed her position, the TPP negotiations were complete. The text

had not yet been released so she had no way of knowing what was in the final draft when she came out in opposition to TPP. Oh, those damned details!

[Scuba]

7. In her defense, her support for TPP was before she knew it polled so poorly.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Does she feel sorry for all those young people she's lying to.

[lewebley3]

35. Hillary has always told the truth: Sanders is the one lying about free college to the young

[pangaia]

4. HA HA HA HA H A!!! kerfluurrtt.

Before I knew anything about it I called it "exciting, innovative, ambitious, groundbreaking, cutting-edge, high quality"

The gift that just keeps on giving...

OR more accurately... taking.. discombobulating ( is that a word? it sounds like one)

How? HOW is this woman even running for anything....? How do people not see through her? It is beyond the pale... or....rather... the pail.

Except for her name, she couldn't be elected mayor of my own town, which is maybe 16,000 people and REPUBLICAN. (Although we do have a Democratic mayor, for years)

BOLDS AND ITALICS AND UNDERLINES....MINE...

[tomm2thumbs]

5. So she admits she made her mind up BEFORE it was finished

and then made her mind up all over again AFTER it was finished

_______

some would say that waffle needs a little syrup

[d_legendary1]

6. Oh you Sanders people!

Always lying about Hillary Clinton! She's not crooked: she's bought and paid for! Know the difference dammit!

[Baobab]

10. We have to pass the bill to know what's in it. Oh, its irreversible. OOPS.

nt

[LS_Editor]

8. Such blatant hypocrisy.

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This is who many on DU think is qualified to protect the most vulnerable from the most wealthy and powerful?

What a joke.

[Baobab]

13. exactly, its a joke

They do see it as funny, in private.

They laugh at those who foolishly trust them.

[Arugula Latte]

20. But ... she has a "D" by her name! So that's all that matters!

[Arizona Roadrunner]

9. "currently"

She is "currently" against TPP. However the US Chamber of Commerce has put out a message to it's membership that after the election, they are sure she will find reasons to be "currently" in favor of TPP

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-chief-tom-donohue.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-

Also, say goodbye to minimum wage increases by State and Local governments. All a corporation will do is declare that a raise in minimum wages will adversely effect their profits. How many State and Local governments can afford such a fight by corporations using the TPP ISDS dispute resolution process designed by and for multi-national corporations? You will now have corporations able to use this dispute resolution process to sue all levels and forms of governments. They can also just threaten to use said process which will "discourage" defenders due to the legal costa etc..Does this sound like giving up governmental sovereignty for corporate profits? Follow the money.....

[Baobab]

11. Guaranteed outsourcing via global procurement

Every dollar spent will go to the lowest bidder firm somewhere else.

[aggiesal]

26. Already happening ...

India is suing the US government over charging more money for guest worker visas (H1B )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027734071

[NorthCarolina]

12. Lets get real. She still supports it. Hell, she played a major role in drafting it. nt

[Duval]

17. That's right.

And I just heard on FSTV (Stephanie Miller's Show) one woman say "I just don't understand why some people don't trust her".

[turbinetree]

14. Biting my tongue..........................................

she said it was the "GOLD STANDARD", she knew it when it was completed and they were doing this "stuff" prior to her leaving the State Department----------------she, did not once during that time frame did she said anything against the "trade deal", until she was forced to say something about it after she left-----------------not once, let's call like it is, you once supported the outsourcing of this countries sovereignty and jobs, money.

Dear Ms. Clinton:

I would like for you to go into the Iron Range of Minnesota, the state that has been mining Iron Ore since the 1870's, the state that gave almost every bridge, building and other material to have been shipped to the steel plants to make the products that put people to work, through out this country for over 175 years, like the bridge called the Golden gate, Brooklyn Bridge, Hoover Dam, just to name a few..................................

Now compare what China is doing to Australia ( they own the mine in the country and they are stock piling the Iron Ore), look at what Norway, Sweden, Korea, and yes Canada are doing to this country when it comes to steel, and then tell everyone on your flip flop how this is was not bad and is now bad.
It's pretty disgusting to know that the steel that currently put up the "new Oakland Bay Bridge came from China-------------and it has problems--------------------------because it was manufactured by a communist crony within the politburo and then sold to this country because it was cheaper and they cut corners---------------------that's globalization.
Almost every other month we hear how some product failed in China a pretty big projects, even with Betchel giving them support---------------amazing

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/mystery-brand-new-bay-bridges-corroded-steel/

When this TPP and the other "trade deals" like CAFTA, NAFTA, South Korean trade Adjustment deal are decimating the Iron Range of Minnesota, why do you think you lost this state in the caucus------------------------your husband ran on this mantra with james Carville:

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/us/1992-campaign-democrats-clinton-bush-compete-be-champion-change-democrat-fights.html


And this selling of the words "global economy" is a bunch of hooey-------------its about consolidating wealth and pitting one country again another-----------------to give up its sovereignty based on greed, and that "trade deals" are a "Gold Standard"

I am not buying it, and the state of Minnesota miners did not buy it

Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[KPN]

15. Ya know, she really galled me when I heard her say

... I understand that [that people are concerned about the impact trade agreements have had on jobs here] and you know, we now have some years of experience about what the Trade agreements can and cannot do ... and uses that to segway into the wonderful things she's done for thew working class while she was in the Senate.

Pure, outrageous BS positioning to cover her backside and get votes. WE NOW HAVE EXPERIENCE .... when most of the people objected to the agreements at the time they were passed!!!! She didn't give one iota in the past -- but now, that her chance to be Queen is on the liune, she does.

Give me a friggin' break!

For the life of me, I have no idea how any thinking person who wants what is best for our country on all fronts can even think about supporting her. I'm serious about that. I just don't get it.

[Tragl1]

19. How long if elected before she is for the TPP again?

3 months tops.

[George II]

21. When did she make that statement, and in what context? Not the Mathews interview, but the actual...

....statement itself. Do you know

I believe it was long before the TPP was even written, and even many progressives at the time thought the CONCEPT of the TPP was "exciting, innovative, ambitious, innovative".

As they say, "the devil is in the details"!

[Stuart G]

24. If...you listen to the entire 1:15 seconds, you will see the title is totally misleading.

Toward the end, Hillary says it seemed that way long before it was completed...

LOGICAL FALACY...TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT...

MISLEADING, NOT TRUE .....

What I said above..is the truth..TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT..NOT FAIR.

[pnwmom]

27. Why don't we talk about some of Bernie's old, discarded positions while we're at it?

His views on the Brady bill, for instance?

And he doesn't even have the excuse of saying he changed his mind once the final bill came out.

[downeastdaniel]

28. For whatever reason...I just deeply don't TRUST her...as more than one has pointed out...

This is very usual for those bought and sold.

[Akicita]

29. At least President Obama is consistent in supporting both job outsourcing through trade

deals like TPP and worker insourcing through documented and undocumented immigration. Both provide sorely needed jobs to foreign POC.

Whether you are outsourcing American jobs to foreign POC or importing foreign POC workers to take American jobs has the same effect on American POC workers and the one percent. Both make jobs harder to find for American POC workers and depress American wages and both make the one percenters much, much richer by keeping labor costs cheap.

I support Bernie for president but this inconsistency bothers me. He supports lax enforcement of immigration laws but rails against job outsourcing through TPP. How can you be for one and against the other? They have the same effect on American workers and both provide jobs to foreign POC.

I personally am on the fence on both the issues of mass immigration and job outsourcing. On the one hand I feel good that America is providing jobs to poor foreign POC. On the other hand I know both are causing underemployment of Americans, especially POC, and driving down wages. Both contribute to the growing gap between the one percent and everyone else. The rich are getting much richer and the middle class is getting poorer.

I get that it is politically correct to support foreign POC coming to this country for American jobs and to oppose sending those very same American jobs to those very same foreign POC in their own communities. I just don't understand why? I wish Bernie would explain his inconsistency on these issues. Or perhaps his fellow supporters here can explain it to me.

[AdHocSolver]

37. The corporations subverted the original stated intent of bringing in foreign workers.

The original rationale for bringing foreign workers to the U.S. was to provide workers for jobs for which a company could not find local people who were qualified to do the jobs.

So, for example, when the computer technical job bubble burst in the early 2000s, companies still imported programmers who worked for lower wages, rather than hire newly unemployed American workers who needed jobs.

When they got away with that process, companies went further by hiring foreign workers at lower pay rates to replace the American workers, and forced the about-to-be laid off American workers to train their replacements how to do their job.

The workers brought to this country are not paid according to U.S. pay rates. They are paid far less money for comparable work done by American workers as a threat to both the Americans who still have a job and the people brought here from abroad.

The Americans are threatened with being replaced by a foreign worker, and the foreign worker, who often was unemployed at home, and who sends home most of their earnings to support family there, to lose their job and be sent back home.

These tactics keep both American and foreign workers subservient to the companies that hire them, and maintains lower wages for both.

The TPP would make employment harsher for both American and foreign workers.

[Akicita]

38. The H1-B practices you describe are incideous but are a small fraction of the overall problem of

Americans losing jobs to foreign workers either by our exporting jobs or importing foreign workers both of which depress wages.