Juan González Was at Bernie Sanders' NY Daily News Editorial Board Meeting. What Really Happened?

[Cheese Sandwich]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MQmsJuXwvNA

[MattP]

1. His supporter even admits he stumbled

[DhhD]

16. Dodd-Frank is what is stumbling and Bernie knows it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/07/22/dodd-frank-wall-street-reform-economy-column/2572929/


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/229482-house-passes-dodd-frank-changes


Senator Warren wants a Glass-Steagall replacement. Hillary is probably going to jump Left of Bernie toward the Warren-Cantwell-King-McCain Bill. So since Bernie did not go with Dodd-Frank and held his tongue making the correct decision. And corporate media is angry that he did not fall for their stink bait!

[rurallib]

25. not really

I doubt anyone could answer such an exacting complex question which is why it was asked.

[haikugal]

2. He didn't blow it and Gonzalez was impressed by him. Totally different take eh?! nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

3. The Daily News thing seemed like a weird sneak attack

The Hillary organization must have immediately got the transcript when it was released and went through it looking for anything to attack and then circulated the memo to create their fake scandal.

Bernie could have had a better answer but the media harps on his every tiny imperfection and blows it out of proportion. While they gloss over Hillary's glaring inconsistencies and falsehoods.

[Duval]

5. +1

[haikugal]

8. Yep..spin, spin, spin...no wonder they're so giddy. I'd be embarrassed. nt

[MADem]

15. The guy professing to like him used the "stumble" word MORE than once. Faint praise?

I think that there were a few places where he stumbled, and—but I was amazed at his ability to parry the questions that were thrown at him and to, basically, for instance, bluntly say, when he was asked about the Israeli-Palestinian situation, that Israel needed to withdraw from the illegal settlements in Palestinian territory, which I was astounded that he was quite frank and clear on his position, while at the same time saying he would do everything possible as president to negotiate peace and security for Israel in an overall settlement. And I think there—he did stumble a little bit when he was pressed on how he would break up some of the too-big-to-fail banks. He clearly did not have that down pat.

Except for the parts where he stunk up the room, he was great!

[RANGERMAN89]

24. Better than someone who was tricked by G.W Bush..

Into killing hundreds of thousands of civilians....or maybe that was just some of the mentoring from Henry Kissinger that made her vote for the Iraq war.

[pangaia]

26. You have more patience than I do with posts like that one.

[MADem]

28. Oh, those pesky facts can ruin a day, can't they? nt

[MADem]

27. When you 'stumble' down that road, you'd better be aware that the first of those bad votes didn't

come from herself...LOL! Sanders was "tricked" (your word) not once, but several times!

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstocks is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” These measures gave congressional backing for the CIA’s covert plan to overthrow the Hussein regime in Baghdad, as well as the tightening of an economic sanctions regime that may have killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi children. The resolution also gave the green light to Operation Desert Fox, a four-day long bombing campaign striking 100 targets throughout Iraq. The operation featured more than 300 bombing sorties and 350 ground-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, several targeting Saddam Hussein himself.

Even Hillary belatedly admitted that her Iraq war vote was a mistake. Bernie, however, has never apologized for his two votes endorsing the overthrow of Saddam. On the rare occasions when Sanders has been confronted about these votes, he has casually dismissed them as being “almost unanimous.” I went back and checked the record. In fact, many members of the progressive caucus in the House, as well as a few libertarian anti-war Members of Congress, vote against the Iraq regime change measures. Here’s a list of the “no” votes on the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998:

Dozens of names follow....he "misspoke," obviously.

[RANGERMAN89]

34. These resolutions cover a vast majority of operations..

To claim that the senator would have control or responsible for the CIA is ridiculous. Classic smear

GENOCIDE is the reason for the Serbia vote! wow the mental gymnastics to claim Bernie Sanders to be a imperialist because of a conflict started by your candidate's spouse and acclaimed advisor. It's almost like you are trying to make me hate Clinton foreign policy more!

Even more ridiculous is that Bernie Sanders is the only presidential candidate to speak out against the CIA meddling in foreign countries.

Hillary didn't learn from her mistake. I don't know who you are but I have a military background and let me tell you something you probably don't know. A no fly-zone in Syria requires ground troops so no she still wants to put the poor in combat in the middle east.

[MADem]

35. Those are his votes; his record.

You're not the only one with a "military background" here, you know. On the 1st of every month, Uncle Sam thanks me for my service with a nice check.

And you're quite wrong about that "ground troops" requirement. We didn't have "ground troops" in Iraq when BILL CLINTON imposed no-fly zones on Saddam in the nineties and GWBush continued on with that process through the overthrow of the government.

Maybe you were too young to remember that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_no-fly_zones

[RANGERMAN89]

36. Although I respect the service of a fellow member of the..

Military it seems that your training and knowledge has totally failed you..or you don't actually know what her plan is for Syria.

You seem to completely ignore the countless factors that make Syria a totally different operation. First a no fly-zone on Syria would be an act of aggression on a nation currently sitting at the U.N. Second a U.S No-fly zone would raise tensions with Russia exponentially putting millions at risk for conflict. Third a U.S No-fly zone would help ISIS AND the countless other Islamic rebels by reducing the amount of air power inflicted on them. Now here is the final part that makes me really sad that a fellow vet doesn't actually know about the foreign policy of who they support. Hillary Clinton wants to establish"safe zones" for civilians from both ISIS and the Syrian government that requires ground troops and Hillary Clinton only had one military force to do that ours.
But hey as long as none of her donors kids die in Syria who cares right.

Friend lets not support those who see us only as pawns in a game of geo-political conflict.

[MADem]

37. Neither do you. Don't act like you do, either. You're certainly not advising her campaign.

Your lack of imagination (never mind information) is rather telling--perhaps you are unaware that there are MASSIVE refugee encampments just over the border in Jordan? And Jordan does have a military? That has engaged in airstrikes against Daesh?

smh.

A lot can be done with cash--plain and simple--and not those stupid little "boots on the ground" conversations that some like to have. Never mind conceptual --and not terribly necessary -- "no fly zone" advocacy that is more about clearing a path so people can leave than actually shooting down nonexistent Daesh aircraft. That's the concept behind pairing with Russia--to get the innocents OUT of the war zone.

There are other, better ways to skin that cat that don't require such an overwhelming investment in personnel. Drones do have a utility in this regard. So do satellites. NFZ is a shorthand term that most Americans understand as "cease fire" or "truce." That's why it's thrown around so much.


And that cash to support refugee operations doesn't have to come from just us, either.

http://syrianrefugees.eu/?page_id=87

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486566.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

I lived for many years in the region. I think I know more than the average person about the stressors and interactions at that end of the world. Certainly more than that POTUS candidate who has a lame and vague idea that Iran and KSA can "work together" in some oddball fashion when they heartily and virulently wish each other dead.

[RANGERMAN89]

39. Hillary Clinton has called for safe zones IN SYRIA

You are terribly misinformed if you truly believe that Jordan and Turkey would have the capability or will to host all the hundreds of thousands of refugees for the decade long conflict that a no-fly zone would create. You would have to be extremely dense to believe that Putin would help Hillary Clinton set up a no-fly zone that would eliminate his ability to influence the region and kill every rebel he can. You obviously didn't learn much if you think Syria and Russia have any interest in helping the innocent escape from the war zone.
Obama from day one of this conflict hasn't actually been working on a resolution that would work with Russia. We have been fueling this conflict for awhile to help the interest of Saudi Arabia take down Bashar al-Assad. Hillary wants to double down on this and try and use the no-fly zone to give the rebel groups (who are mostly religious extremists) the ability to establish themselves and further expand their political power to weaken Assad.

As for Sanders I believe his point about Iran isn't actually a battle plan for them to fight side by side but a call to stop playing Chess with Putin and refocusing the international community to deal with ISIS.

[MADem]

40. "Would have?" What do you think they're doing now? You are not up to date and haven't been for

years, apparently. I'll leave you with this--do some clicking, check on the NUMBERS at the varying refugee settlements. smh!


http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php#


And Sanders lines up with GWB, one of those guys who doesn't realize that there's more than one type of "Islam" in the Muslim world.

[RANGERMAN89]

41. "Will" as in willpower to be the political asylum camps of Syria..

For decades after a Hillary Clinton no-fly zone creates the political power of countless rebel groups who kill civilians just as much as the government. Even if somehow Russia let her do this it would eventually break down into civil war again. Only this time worse.

Wow really you are trying to paint him as totally ignorant of the entire religion of Islam. Do you have proof because if not that's a pathetic statement to make.

Hillary was in lock step with GWB when we killed over 200,000 thousand Muslim civilians in IRAQ.

[MADem]

42. We can play the move the goalposts game all day, if you'd like.

MILLIONS of refugees are being accommodated in nations adjacent to Syria, and Turkey and Jordan have been doing the heavy lifting for some time now--as the link I provided illustrates.

Anyone who does not understand that KSA is Sunni - Wahhabi and Iran is predominantly Shi'ite does NOT understand the first thing about Islam. Not the first, very basic, very essential, thing. That's all the "proof" anyone needs. It's not just that the manner of prayer is different or there are doctrinal differences--it's down to who is qualified to claim a position as descended from the prophet/pbuh, and while that may not mean much to people on this side of the globe, it's a massive freaking deal over there. Just ask the guys who wear those black turbans, who believe they are being unfairly denied their rightful prerogative as the true guardians of the Holy Places, and who remain convinced that a family of "dirty nomads" who just happened to wander in an area that had a lot of oil underneath it do not deserve that responsibility.

Sanders helped Bush get into Iraq, his hands are not clean, despite his sanctimonious protestations--even his old pals from the far left acknowledge that: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

See? He was "in lock step" before it was a thing.

[RANGERMAN89]

43. I spent years working with and training the Iraqi army..

I know the countless sects of Islam are very diverse in practice and religious theory. But again what proof do you have that Sanders doesn't have any knowledge of the deep division between many of them you continue to harp on how he can't get the KSA and Iran to love each other well he is not proposing to. Prove this pathetic claim with FACTS.

So you truly believe that if everyone voted against the Iraq war it wouldn't have changed anything? Those resolutions wouldn't have given him the power for a full scale invasion. Bernie Sanders isn't a pacifist he understood what the resolutions are about and how necessary many of the provisions in them are. It doesn't mean that he was a supporter of a invasion of Iraq or responsible for CIA operations like you tried to paint him as despite him being the only person talking about the atrocities committed by them during this race.

[Rilesome]

30. He gets the gotcha questions

No need to ask her. She's gonna let it all ride.

[Duval]

4. Isn't it good to hear from someone who was there?

So, we hear the truth about the interview without the "spin". I understand Clinton is pulling out the stops and is going full force negative. And then we have our MSM favoring Clinton (of course, they're Corporate). A debate with everything on the table is exactly what we need, as Van Jones suggests.

Thanks Cheese Sandwich.

[MADem]

29. There's a recording of the interview at NYDN--no need to wonder. You can make up your own mind. nt

[The Wizard]

6. Bernie wants Israelis

to leave illegal settlements in occupied territory. This should not be a controversy. First I'm American, and that's why I support Bernie.

[hollysmom]

13. Ihave agreed withthat foir a long time, but the settlements are

like some version of the wild west to Israelis (at least the few I know.) romanticized.

[klook]

7. Juan Gonzalez is an actual journalist,

something we see all too rarely on TeeVee these days.

This was a good segment - the comments from Van Jones and Ruth Conniff were also thoughtful and reasonable, I thought.

[SmittynMo]

9. Wait...... Bernie made a mistake?

You mean on top of him saving the world, he has been discovered to be human? What a shock.

All I know is one thing. I don't care how many times he made a mistake. You can bet your ass, by the end of the day, he's got your ass covered. I'm good with that.

[99th_Monkey]

10. What am I missing here?

I don't think this is the first time Bernie's been asked about breaking ups the
big banks. As i recall he's said we need "an updated version of the Glass-Steagall
Act".

Besides having an obstructionist Congress, which is not likely to pass such a bill,
has this answer been demonstrated to be erroneous or off the mark?

[DhhD]

12. Seems like corporate media is attacking Bernie. Bernie will tell them at the debate what he wants

them to know. They do not own Bernie or pay him to speak!!

[DhhD]

11. Time for endorsers of Bernie Sanders to speak up.

Will Senator Elizabeth Warren endorse Bernie Sanders in the coming days?

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2013/11/12/sen-warren-warns-too-big-fail-banks-now-even-bigger


Will Jimmy Carter endorse Bernie in the coming days?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/16/1410638/-Jimmy-Carter-Zero-chance-of-the-two-state-solution-Filastin


More on the Middle East since Carter set up Peace in the Middle East Instead of Bombing Iran.
http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/carter-administration-0
snip
Update by The Iran Primer:

In October 2014, President Carter discussed the Iran hostage crisis in an interview with CNBC. The following are excerpts from the transcript.

I think I would have been re-elected easily if I had been able to rescue our hostages from the Iranians. And everybody asks me what would do more, I would say I would send one more helicopter because if I had one more helicopter we could have brought out not only the 52 hostages, but also brought out the rescue team, and when that failed, then I think that was the main factor that brought about my failure to be re-elected. So that's one thing I would change.

Um, well I could've been re-elected if I'd taken military action against Iran, shown that I was strong and resolute and, um, manly and so forth. But, er, I think if I, I could have wiped Iran off the map with the weapons that we had, but in the process a lot of innocent people would have been killed, probably including the hostages and so I stood up against all that, er, all that advice, and then eventually my prayers were answered and every hostage came home safe and free. And so I think I made the right decision in retrospect, but it was not easy at the time (laughs). more at link


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

[downeastdaniel]

14. Hillary et al are using the long knives, and Bernie is the target...

First they ignored him, then made fun of him, and now are pissed. We need to cover his back, and be vigilant...this is war.

[zentrum]

17. Will check this out later. nt

[mountain grammy]

18. I'm with Van Jones, always!

[gordyfl]

20. "Overall I Thought His Performance Was Excellent" says Juan Gonzalez"

[Jack Rabbit]

21. We Sandernistas will be busy with the rapid response on social media for a while

We can handle the Clinton's campaign's lies and half-truths about Bernie. Can Hillary Clinton handle the truth about her dealings with Wall Street, he foreign policy blunders as SOS or her support for the mother frackers?

[shireen]

22. Context is everything

Written excerpts and transcripts of rapid-fire questioning are a great way to misrepresent what went on at that meeting. The "human" element that tells the whole story is missing: speech rate and tone of voice, even body language.

I love the written word when it's done well to fairly represent a point of view. In this case, it was grossly distorted.

[zentrum]

23. Van Jones is right. They will

……vet Bernie like they never do HRC, Trump, Cruz.

They Benghazi her whenever they can but the real scrutiny of her fundraising, her multimillion dollar amassing speeches, connections between the Clinton Foundation and policies while she was SOS—the media will never look at.

[Rilesome]

31. Who deregulated the media?

Oh, that was her husband.

[sulphurdunn]

32. I just listened to that interview.

He hit a whole lot of hard balls. Not all of them went over the fence, but he didn't even come close to striking out. This is just another orchestrated media hit.

[The Wizard]

38. The Internet and social media

are slowly making conventional media what the buggy whip was in the early 20th Century. More and more people are eschewing conventional media as it's propaganda in a cheap disguise. I'm old and I can't bear to pay attention to the buffoons on TV blathering about whatever their masters order them to do.

[KoKo]

33. Recommend for Exposure!