Dr. Jane Sanders On Hillary Clinton's Position On Guns

[4bucksagallon]

"Common sense gun values" says it all.
I am a gun owner and hunter and I agree. Many rural States, believe it or not. still have hunting, and years ago I gave up membership in the NRA when I saw the direction they were going. Clinton should just drop the issue it makes her look bad. Bernie has D- rating with the NRA...... D- for Cripes sake......

[pnwmom]

1. Bernie should apologize for voting against the Brady bill and for the PLCAA,

which overturned laws across the country that allowed victims to sue gun manufacturers and distributors.

[4bucksagallon]

2. No more than Hillary should apologize for her changing views on so many issues.

[pnwmom]

3. Your OP is about their positions on guns, but all you can do is change the subject.

Because Bernie's positions on the Brady Bill and PLCAA are indefensible.

Only the NRA finds his positions praiseworthy.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/07/3757234/sanders-clinton-guns-nra/


Bernie Sanders’ Defense Of Gun Manufacturers Draws Praise From NRA

BY AARON RUPAR MAR 7, 2016 2:21 PM

Though the National Rifle Association isn’t known for supporting Democrats, on Monday the organization tweeted praise for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) after he backed gunmakers’ immunity from certain types of lawsuits during Sunday’s Democratic presidential debate.

NRA: Sen. Sanders was spot-on in his comments about gun manufacturer liability/PLCAA http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/sanders-what-youre-really-talking-about-ending-gun-manufacturing-america-I … #DemDebate

[4bucksagallon]

4. Okay you don't like guns.

That's your right as it is mine to have guns. His position is fine by me and many other hunters and sportsmen.

[pnwmom]

5. What do hunters have against the Brady Bill or the PLCAA? Why shouldn't distributors of guns

who sell to people who aren't legally entitled to own them be liable to lawsuits by gun victims?

Not every hunter or sportsman is a member of the NRA and/or opposes the Brady bill and/or favored the PLCAA.

[True Blue American]

7. Republican Lights?

They sound like Republicans.

[4bucksagallon]

8. My understanding of it is they wanted to make the "manufacturers" of guns liable.....

as well as the distributors. If the gun is not defective the manufacturer is, as far as I am concerned, in the clear. With good background checks it should be that no one except the one who misuses that weapon would be liable. I am for doing away with assault rifles and large capacity magazines like those used at Sandy Hook. Five rounds in a magazine are all that are needed for hunting.. Home protection I would recommend a shotgun.
The Brady Bill is a feel good bill that if the leaders were serious could be beneficial but they need to close all the loopholes in the laws about where you can buy a weapon, like a gun show.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-voted-against-brady/
"Bernie wasn't opposed to states having (waiting periods) if they wanted to. The Republicans wanted to repeal waiting periods in states that had them, and Bernie voted that down," Weaver said. "He said he would be against waiting periods, and he kept his word to the people of Vermont."
A mixed record overall
Overall, Sanders is neither a gun nut nor an anti-gunner. He’s received lukewarm marks from the NRA, ranging from a C- to F in the last 15 years.

Imagine that someone that keeps his word to his constituents. Rare indeed..... Unlike "whichever way the wind blows Hillary" and her never ending hop scotching on important issues..

[True Blue American]

6. Your Rights

Those who claim they love their guns for hunting do not even consider the untold misery their rights have inflicted on millions of families across this country. All the innocent children who are dead because you want your rights to kill animals is the poorest excuse I ever heard.

And I could care less about Doctor Jane Sanders and what she thinks.

Those dead,innocent children matter more to me than what she says.

[4bucksagallon]

10. Well I don't kill what I won't eat.

So my love of hunting has killed many innocent children and caused misery to "millions of families"?....... Okay... That is new to me. Millions huh?
I hunt game animals and game birds. You are free to not go hunting if you so choose."And I could care less about anti-gunners and what they think about a legal and necessary practice in game management"
You must hate Bill too?
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[True Blue American]

15. No, but

If you object to all gun laws, you are to blame to some extent.

Most men have had guns for years. They seldom or never hunt.

[Peace Patriot]

9. I really like Jane Sanders and I think she's a great spokesperson for the campaign.

The issue here, that Clinton supporters are trying to make us blind to, is that Bernie Sanders CAN GET ASSAULT WEAPONS BANNED, can get the rapid fire clips banned and perhaps can get other common sense controls on guns, whereas Clinton will never succeed at this. He has an understanding of hunters and rural culture, and the members of that culture will, in turn, support him, as they did in Vermont once they trusted that he wasn't trying to take their hunting rifles away.

I think this is an issue on which traditional liberals have made some very big mistakes. They've gotten the dander up among people who hunt and who own guns but would never harm people with them deliberately. They cannot be talked out of their alleged right under the 2nd Amendment to own guns. They really do think it is their right. And the hunters think they are connecting with nature and reenacting an ancient primitive human rite by killing animals. When their belief in these rights is threatened, they go extreme and oppose all gun regulation, even common sense measures like banning assault weapons. (The only purpose of an assault weapon is to mow human beings down. They are useless against a deer.)

Sanders has built a bridge to this constituency. HE can influence them. Clinton cannot. Clinton triggers the deepest fears of some--that the government will have all the weapons and they will be helpless if the government goes rogue--and the fears of hunters that their right to kill their own meat (and many of them DO use the animals they kill for food) (I know because I live in a rural area with such a culture) will be taken away because gangsters and murderers are plaguing urban areas.

Another thing Clinton supporters are trying to blind us to is that many gun owners will VOTE FOR SANDERS because he is NOT fanatically anti-gun, all other things being equal. Hunters and just plain gun owners (who shoot at ranges not in the wild) are NOT necessarily rightwingers. In fact, none of the hunters I know are rightwingers. If anything, they tend to be New Deal Democrats, or at least want a fair deal for everyone. They are not bad people. Some of very good people. They tend to be very community minded. They tend to be neighborly. And they tend to be generous.

Sanders can draw these voters. Clinton cannot. She is quite alien to neighborly, community oriented culture. She lives in a rich and very artificial bubble of remote power. She does not just serve the 1%; she is OF the 1%. Most hunters (at least the ones that I know) are poor or lower middle class. They don't relate to her in any way.

[4bucksagallon]

11. Yep...

I have no "assault rifle" in my array of hunting weapons. I am for banning them from the general public along with large capacity magazines. I don't think any of these urban dwellers ever get into the great outdoors and actually enjoy a walk in the woods on a crisp fall day. Even going home empty handed at the end of the day is no big deal it's getting out into nature that is enjoyable..
And you're right to think Bernie would have a much better chance of banning these weapons of war than a Hillary Clinton would.

[True Blue American]

16. Thank you

For sensible gun laws. That is all we are asking.

My question, have you really researched the Sanders? Once I did I could not back either Bernie or Jane.

The raving fans do not convince me.

[Mbrow]

12. Absolutely right, I would add one little detail,

Many rural folk use hunting to supplement their food supply. the price of a inexpensive gun and ammo can feed you and your family with good protein very cheaply, here in Idaho the average income is very low (20-25 k a year i can't remember the exact number) if the poor who rely on their guns for food think you are going to take them away....

[True Blue American]

17. I have no objection to

Hunters who use the food. That is simply hysteria from those who want no laws at all.

[Mbrow]

18. I agree with you on that.

Being ex military myself, I've never seen the need for some of these weapons that solely made to kill people, mostly you see this with a lot of want to be heroes, most of whom just want a penis extension.

[True Blue American]

19. Yes,

I have come in contact with people like that.

[Enthusiast]

13. Yuuge Plus One!

[stonecutter357]

14. lol