Coloradans DEMAND Superdelegate Senator Michael Bennet CHANGE HIS VOTE!!

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

[onehandle]

1. Then they should start their only party and write different rules then.

In the meantime, +2.4 million Democratic voters on the Democratic party side.

[Autumn]

2. You know those people in that picture? Those are Colorado democrats

Bennet had better change his vote to reflect the will of the people or get a new job. He's not liked anyway.

[dsc]

3. so should Nina Turner change hers?

or is that rule only if the voters choose Bernie?

[floppyboo]

8. Don't see Hillary supporters out in the thousands demanding any change

You could ya know. But you don't. The more you sit around and stay clear of the people, the harder its going to get!

[Skwmom]

9. No. Bernie won a nice chunk of the Ohio vote.

[Autumn]

10. That's up to her constituents. nt

[I hate liars]

12. Superdelegates have no place in a true representative democracy

Especially the lobbyists and bundlers whose job it is to override pledge delegates and the will of the people.

Bennett is as corrupt as they come. Why should his vote count more than those of thousands of Coloradans?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

41. it is hard to replace a senator

if he wins - the changes that will have happened will make it possible after this term

we had to let him get nominated

[SoLeftIAmRight]

4. you are so silly

we took the party on saturday and put the dino's on notice

it was beautiful

[silvershadow]

22. Or kick the third way out of our party. nt

[shenmue]

36. Something that doesn't exist?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

44. proud of showing that you do not use facts

wow

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. That assumes the Clintons OWN the party.

[fbc]

5. They should have brought a guillotine.

[chknltl]

6. This is the U.S.A.

Tar, feathers and a pole should get the point across.

[floppyboo]

7. PASSION AND ACTION!!! GO SANDERS! GO PEOPLE!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

47. It was a thing of beauty

the clip does not do justice to the event

we totally shut him down twice

the truth is - he was given notice - he was given a chance - he bombed

[cprise]

11. K&R

[madamesilverspurs]

13. There were plenty of longtime Democrats in that hall,

many of them Sanders supporters, who were NOT happy about the rudeness displayed toward Bennet and Ken Salazar and the woman who was trying to explain the parameters for delegates and super delegates (she was driven off the stage in tears for her efforts). Friends who are longtimers and hoping to be chosen to go to Philly on Bernie's behalf were horrified by the screaming and stomping. Another friend, bigtime Bernie supporter and friend of Bennet, was standing behind the senator while he was being screamed at; my friend was devastated and embarrassed and went out of his way to assure the senator that he had no idea that was going to happen; he's still pissed. I was at the back of the room near the exits, and some Bernie supporters walked out, tore off the Bernie stickers they were wearing and threw them away. The screamers and stompers impressed no one but themselves.

[murielm99]

14. It is refreshing to hear

the other side from someone who was actually there. Thank you.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

31. i was there - and you should not believe that post

had nothing to do with reality

[murielm99]

51. I will believe madamesilverspurs.

I know her and trust her judgement. It coincides with other reports I have seen, too.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

60. lol

...

[SoLeftIAmRight]

28. lol

the dinos were unhappy

tell the truth about what happened

[LisaM]

29. Sigh.

I hope the Bernie supporters who don't like these tactics do something about this.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

32. we did - the goldwater girl supporters did not stay to fight

DNC here we come

[LisaM]

40. Obviously I mean about the bullying

But you knew that.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

43. no - i missed that - but i will address your point

Bennet was there to ask for the majority of the 3000 people there to vote for him

he knew that 2045 sanders supporters and 1119 hillary supporters were there

the elephant in the room - (republican mascot) - most of those 2045 had contacted Bennet and asked him to address the question

He was given the chance - long before the chanting - people had called out for him to address the issue

he continued to to drone on - most of the two thousand people that Bennet was trying to get to support him said "enough is enough"

if you want our vote - you must answer our question

he showed not respect for 2045 delegates gathered to do the business of the Colorado Democratic

any questions???

[LisaM]

46. And did you read about the woman driven from the stage?

Superdelegates don't have to answer to a mob. I don't know how open Colorado is but in Washington only 4% went to the caucus and a fair number were only Democrats of convenience. I personally know people who don't even consider themselves Democrats who will apparently now be attending our party's convention.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

48. I was there - I was just about as close to the stage as possible

there were several that were heckled and worse

rightly so

[LisaM]

54. I don't think it's okay to heckle super delegates.

And I think they have the right to honor their commitments. I also just read a pretty different account of things a few posts up. Regardless, I am pretty sure we differ on whether Democrats should be allowed to choose their own candidates and I don't think we will resolve that here.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

57. ok lisa

let me help you

Bennet was there to get nominated - he was asking for support - 2000 of the delegates there had asked him to address the situation

ok - are you with me so far

during the convention and assembly - it was both - another super delegate came and sat with me - we talked about this issue

he said it was a big mistake to make the early declaration - the responsible thing to do is to make your case - Bennet did not

all he had to do is say something about the issue - he refused to address it -

do you think a candidate should answer questions or not??

[LisaM]

58. Please don't patronize me. n/t

[SoLeftIAmRight]

61. lol

facts - you do not like facts

[LisaM]

63. I know for a fact that super delegates are not elected

At county conventions.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

65. This was the Colorado State Assembly and Convention

both held at the same time

one of the things done there is to decide candidates for state level offices

on of the positions was for the Senate set - that is what Bennet was asking for

I will be happy to answer any question -

My point is only - he was asking for my vote - and 3000 thousand other

there were 2000 that wanted an answer -


Is it your position that he should just tell us to fuck off???

[Delver Rootnose]

77. I'm sure you and I differ on....

....whether democrats should be allowed to choose THE candidate. Since super delagates represent a heavy thumb on the process and are not elected to choose the candidate at the convention I think they shouldn't choose the candidate,

The people elected to choose the candidate should get that choice. Not a bunch of unelected party big wigs. If you like super delagates why not just go back to the old days where a bunch of men got together in a back room, smoked a bunch of cigars, and chose uncounted themselves who the candidate would be.

[JackRiddler]

30. Oh the humanity.

[LiberalFighter]

39. I'm glad there were Bernie supporters that were more civil at the event.

There should be concern about the mindset of some the rabid supporters.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

49. it is the people with no spine that have let the republicans run wild

you civil folks have doomed us

[basselope]

56. cool story bro

especially the part about bernie people ripping off their stickers.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

67. lol

do you believe that load of crap?

[madamesilverspurs]

76. psssst......

Is it okay with you if I believe what I witnessed with my own ears and eyes?

[jmowreader]

15. That's nice...

As soon as Bernie turns over Erin Bilbray, Alan Grayson, Raul Grijalva, Nancy Jacobson, Marcy Kaptur, Paul Kirk, Danica Oparnica, Johnnie Patton, Jake Quinn and Keelan Sanders, all of whom are Sanders supporters from states Hillary won, we'll discuss releasing superdelegates supporting Clinton from states Bernie won.

[litlbilly]

18. well arent you a clever little thing. so precious:)

[jmowreader]

19. You know what's REALLY precious?

Claiming a man who has hated the Democratic Party his entire political career should run for president as a Democrat. But don't worry, he's about to have two very bad weeks.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. You just described Joe Lieberman.

[Firebrand Gary]

25. Bingo!

Oh but that, that they don't want now do they! Hypocrites!

[beastie boy]

16. Did they do anything about changing the rules BEFORE the primaries?

Or do they expect changes on demand and at their convenience?

[jmowreader]

20. Of course not!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

34. your statement shows that you do not understand the process

lol

[SoLeftIAmRight]

33. you are so funny

and you also do not understand the process

[beastie boy]

86. OK, explain the process to me.

Then tell me how protesting the consequences of the process at the last minute is more productive than getting involved in the process and changing it.

[George II]

17. Oh skippy, I guess you should research what Superdelegates are and their function.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

35. you have shown that you have no clue what happened in Colorado Saturday

lol

[Delver Rootnose]

21. He is talking about....

....undue influence in the democratic process and yet he is a "super delagate" that has more influence in choosing a candidate than thousands,if not hundereds of thousands, of voters and caucus goers.

Irony is dead.

[Jitter65]

42. Caucuses are not representative of the majority of voters. nt

[rpannier]

23. Can't stand Superdelegates

But, could we wait until the primaries and caucuses are over?
Maybe there will be someone with enough pledged delegates that they won't be needed
Maybe not?

If there are enough, maybe the party should then begin an actual discussion on super delegates and their function -- which is a distraction

[LiberalFighter]

52. I would normally agree but they are mostly to prevent a catastrophe.

Such as a George Wallace, John Edwards, or similar candidate. Their impact is minimal. But they are important to galvanize support for the nominee. What it also does is prevent the congressional members and state party leaders from taking up pledged delegate spots. It is important to include them as delegates so they also have skin in the game. Without it the risk is a lack of cohesiveness needed to have a winning campaign. They also have the needed insight to know the skeletons or the support they would have within their state. They have the best knowledge on what works.

The members of Congress and Governors consist of 36% of all automatic delegates or 5.4% of all delegates. The remaining 454 automatic delegates are DNC members or Distinguished Party Leaders. They represent 63% of the automatic delegates or 9.5% of all delegates. DNC members are elected by state central committee members or state convention delegates.

In the 34 years the rules have been in existence the automatic delegates have not resulted in a different outcome.

The other aspect is that neither the Democratic or Republican Party are government agencies or run by the government. They are a private organization with rights to determine their bylaws and rules.

[hopemountain]

75. according to debbie, superdelegates are intended to prevent

the grassroots from electing a grassroots candidate/nominee for president. she stated this during an interview on one of the msm's.

[LiberalFighter]

79. That is a false statement.

She said, “Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists.” -- From Salon

"The purpose of superdelegates -- which by the way, have never been a determining factor in who our nominee is since they've been in place since 1984 -- is to make sure that party activists who want to be delegates to the convention don’t have to run against much better-known and well-established people at the district level." -- From PolitiFact

[hopemountain]

87. pretty much what i stated - but there

it is in her own words - with quotations. thank you, liberalfighter.

[LiberalFighter]

88. Apparently there is a lack of comprehension on your part.

[hopemountain]

89. smoke and mirrors do not distort the

intention of her words, liberalfighter. comprendo muy bien. comprehension and intention are not the same.

[stillwaiting]

78. Their impact is very, very far from minimal.

They have been used this primary to create the impression of inevitability for HRC from the very beginning of this primary. No doubt that has persuaded some to vote for HRC over Bernie even though he/she preferred Bernie.

The bandwagon effect is real, and many will want to vote for the "winner". Super delegates are used by the Establishment to maintain control, and when theEstablishment works primarily for Wall Street/Big Business it makes it very difficult for Main Street to get the Party to represent its interests ever again.

Even if HRC gets the most pledged delegates, a case can certainly be made that she did so based on the very existence of super delegates and how they allowed the media to crown her victor very, very early in the primary process.

This can never happen again. Super delegates must go.

No doubt supporters of our corrupt Establishment will downplay the extent to which super delegates have helped HRC this primary. But, they are transparent when they do so.

[LiberalFighter]

80. Really? The superdelegates impacted the decision of the voters

that determined the allotment of pledged delegates?

Voters don't pay attention to the superdelegates. If they did, Sanders would have a lot fewer votes than he has. Just like they didn't pay attention back in 2008 and came out in support of Barack Obama.

[stillwaiting]

81. Have you not seen the media including the superdelegates votes in their tallies?

It has allowed them to create a heavily biased AND FALSE impression that HRC locked this nomination up a very long time ago (very early in the process).

If you deny this, then you are being disingenuous.

The media pundits have fallen all over themselves proclaiming our primary over for awhile now. They could NOT have done this without the existence of the superdelegates.

THEY MUST GO.

[LiberalFighter]

82. They will not be going.

If they go then grassroots activists will have a difficult time getting a spot to the National Convention.

[stillwaiting]

83. Bye Bye! No more time for this.

Super delegates make the Democratic Party a huge joke. It is downright undemocratic.

[pnwmom]

24. Some did. The vast majority of state residents did not. n/t

[SoLeftIAmRight]

38. lol

a truth wrapped in a great lie

makes your statement worthless

[pnwmom]

50. The non-inclusive caucuses are the big lie. n/t

[SoLeftIAmRight]

59. Funny that you would say that - We voted on the issue there

The sanders supporters all voted to do 3 things - all 3 are intended to end the caucuses and change the super delegate process

the hillary supporters voted to keep it

so you have shown again that you do not know what you are talking about

Both the pugs and the dems are on board to make the change for Colorado - in 4 years we will primary

[pnwmom]

62. Do you have a link for that? In my state it's the opposite. The Bernie people

LOVE the caucuses, for obvious reasons.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-continues-to-dominate-caucuses-but-hes-about-to-run-out-of-them/

[SoLeftIAmRight]

64. some time this week the things voted on will be published

they are the change to the state platform that could not be settled by platform committee

also at the end after most of the hillary folk had gone - we passed a "sense of the assembly" that directly voice a position on the super delegate issue

it will not be in the platform - not sure where it will be publish

[pnwmom]

66. But what about the caucus issue? That has nothing to do with super delegates..

[SoLeftIAmRight]

68. i will look back at the e-mails and see if the proposed changes were sent to me

if not - kick my ass later this week and I will find the final platform and send it to you

just send an e amil

both issues are being address by Colorado at both the state level and DNC

[pnwmom]

70. Good luck on that then. In my state we voters strongly approved a referendum

to replace the caucuses with primaries -- years ago -- but the party went to court to claim a right to keep picking delegates through caucuses. And the judge agreed, so we're stuck with them.

That's only the Dems. The GOP decided to listen to the voters. So the state is having a primary in May, but only the Rethugs will use it to assign delegates. For the Dems, it will be a meaningless beauty contest.

And this year, attendance was typically pathetic. Less than our all time high in 2008, which was calculated at 5.3%.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

71. I like the caucuses - lots and lots of face time with candidats at all levels

and lots and lots of face time with people that care

[pnwmom]

72. There were no candidates at our caucuses. And lots of people don't have the time to spend

hours at a caucus. Or they live hours away from their nearest caucus location (in rural parts of the state) or go to college out of state (no absentee ballots for them) or don't have childcare and don't want to bring children with them, etc. etc.

It's a system designed to suppress the votes of the vast majority of voters, but for some reason that's fine.

[SFnomad]

37. So the BS cheerleaders are also demanding that Alan Grayson change his support

to Secretary Clinton ... right?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. you have no clue about what happened

you statement proves you know nothing about this

makes you look silly

[SFnomad]

55. This just makes you look hypocritical, but that's hardly surprising n/t

[LiberalFighter]

53. You know that would be illogical?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

69. logic - what do you know about logic?

and when it come to this issue - the logic is simple

we did what the rules allow - we changed to platform - and we are going to the DNC with a plan

logic - really - what do you know about logic?

another question - Bertrand Russel - why mention him? lol

[MFM008]

73. They are trying to bully our HRC super delegates to.

Its not working. What a shame.

[hopemountain]

74. power to the people!

change your vote, Senator Bennet!

[CrispyQ]

84. I've written to him & Polis about their SD votes.

Neither will get my vote in November if they vote for HRC.

[randr]

85. I was there, center 5th row, and I can report that

all Democrats should be extremely proud. I know I am as a Coloradoan.
Sitting elbow to elbow with both Bernie and Hillary supporters boisterously supporting their favs while listening to speakers extol the merits of the candidates. We all shared common interests and were vocally open about our misgivings on each side.
As is becoming evident in both Republican and Democratic houses, we ALL realized the system is flawed. Most of us in Colorado would do away with the supper delegates. We are happy to share delegates proportional to our selections.
Each speaker for Hillary made an effort to praise Bernie and his supporters and even the nomination of Sen. Bennet was presented by a speaker who identified as a Bernie supporter. Sen. Bennet, being a super delegate who has so far sided with Hillary, made is very clear the race is not over until all Democratic primaries are complete.
The theater, excitement, and dedication to purpose were the predominant emotions we all shared and we left knowing how GREAT this Nation is and that we will kick some Republican ass come November.