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appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:02 PM Apr 2016

*"LISTEN LIBERAL! OR WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE PARTY OF THE PEOPLE?" By Thomas Frank



Kansas City native son and political writer Thomas Frank's book talk on his newest work, "Listen, Liberal! Or, Whatever Happened to the Party of the People" at the Kansas City, MO Public Library, March 24, 2016. VIDEO, 38 mins., and well worth it. Excellent discussion, Rating A.

Author and Kansas City native son Thomas Frank returned to his hometown to talk about what's wrong with the Democratic Party in support of his new book "Listen, Liberal!." Following on the tradition of his popular book "What's the Matter with Kansas" which carefully chronicled how the Republican Party of Lincoln has been seduced and deliberately taken over by extremist ideologues of the far right, Frank now makes the case that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has also been taken over by a type of CONSERVATIVE ideology that, while not promoting ECONOMIC INEQUALITY, certainly rationalizes it.

While Republican "establishment" figures revere the accumulation of wealth as a sign of 'winning' which somehow makes them automatically somehow qualified --or entitled-- to govern, The DEMOCRATIC "ESTABLISHMENT" believes that the world is a 'meritocracy' where the elites of the 'professional class' are best suited to govern based on their superior educational attainment and connections.
Frank asserts that the two political parties dominated by societal ELITES have systemically failed the WORKERS in America, resulting in a space for POPULISM to naturally grow into.

The Democratic Party under the leadership of President BILL CLINTON turned its back on its working class and middle class roots while attempting to expand and capture the professional class. Claiming that 'THEY HAVE NO PLACE ELSE TO GO', the Democrats have also been responsible for policies that increased INCOME INEQUALITY and increased the economic insecurity of white working class people. Some of these people have found a new place to go. They have now left the building. Many of them can now be seen following a pied piper named TRUMP.

The broken two party political system that has largely seen the hereditary moneyed elites-- who thought they could control the working class with a mix of social conservatism, phony fiscal fears and tax voodoo, and foreign fear mongering-- fight with the intellectual professional class elites who thought they could control the working class because 'they have no place else to go', is giving way to an authoritarian populism embodied by a narcissistic reality TV caricature of success likely to be the next Republican Presidential nominee.


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*"LISTEN LIBERAL! OR WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE PARTY OF THE PEOPLE?" By Thomas Frank (Original Post) appalachiablue Apr 2016 OP
The Big Money bought the leaders of our Party. They own many top Democrats including rhett o rick Apr 2016 #1
I left the democratic party and became a no party affiliation voter. No way do I want the RKP5637 Apr 2016 #2
The Democratic Party left me too, the proud one of The People, FDR, JFK and others. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #4
Well said. Thank heaven for progressive fighters rising now as political candidates appalachiablue Apr 2016 #3
And of course you are not a Democrat. Cary Apr 2016 #8
I am a better Democrat than one that puts greed before helping those rhett o rick Apr 2016 #34
If Hillary gets the nomination a whole bunch of people will be leaving the Party. jalan48 Apr 2016 #5
If Hillary is the nominee tom_kelly Apr 2016 #6
Cutting off your nose to spite your face. Cary Apr 2016 #11
i think it's a complicated topic redruddyred Apr 2016 #31
So leave. Cary Apr 2016 #37
the sentiment goes both ways, believe me redruddyred Apr 2016 #39
But you lose. Cary Apr 2016 #43
you cheat redruddyred Apr 2016 #46
I beg your pardon Cary Apr 2016 #48
clinton isn't a democrat, my good cary sir redruddyred Apr 2016 #49
Watch Cary Apr 2016 #51
she is for now redruddyred Apr 2016 #53
I'm so.glad I'm not like you Cary Apr 2016 #54
life's pretty shit redruddyred Apr 2016 #61
Your poor attitude and disposition aren't my fault Cary Apr 2016 #62
neither do you bruh redruddyred Apr 2016 #63
That wasn't my point Cary Apr 2016 #64
i get it now redruddyred Apr 2016 #65
Yesterday I dropped everything to run to the hospital and do a will Cary Apr 2016 #67
do you want me to storytop you tho. i'm the suffering olympics champion. redruddyred Apr 2016 #68
Again you miss my point completely Cary Apr 2016 #71
it's always a competition, and i'm winning redruddyred Apr 2016 #80
Translation: Cary Apr 2016 #81
i haven't been nt redruddyred Apr 2016 #95
Absolutely anyone can find contentment Cary Apr 2016 #73
"religion is the opioid of the masses" redruddyred Apr 2016 #79
Taoism isn't a religion in that sense Cary Apr 2016 #82
i am so sick of the ad hominems redruddyred Apr 2016 #85
You're the one who said your life was shitty Cary Apr 2016 #86
"your life" redruddyred Apr 2016 #94
You don't like me Cary Apr 2016 #96
no bb i am ambivalent redruddyred Apr 2016 #97
I am not ambivalent at all Cary Apr 2016 #100
thanks bb redruddyred Apr 2016 #103
No one cares what someone that bows before the rich thinks. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #36
So Manichean Cary Apr 2016 #45
"They have no where else to go" <-- AKA Fuck the 'little people' .. Let them eat cake. 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #55
I am proud to be a Democrat Cary Apr 2016 #59
You have your opinion tom_kelly Apr 2016 #60
Then why can't you leave it there? Cary Apr 2016 #66
Who cares what you think? n Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #77
I do. Cary Apr 2016 #78
I have a response, but I deleted it, no point anymore. No point Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #76
There was never any point in the abuse I've encountered here Cary Apr 2016 #83
Tonight's "Winners." Bernie the most of all and others before his campaign who warned us. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #7
And what good has the radical left done? Cary Apr 2016 #9
Do you mean the Black Panthers, SDS...........? jalan48 Apr 2016 #10
You know who I mean Cary Apr 2016 #12
I really don't-who is the radical left in the US? jalan48 Apr 2016 #13
Oh please. Cary Apr 2016 #14
? It's a simple question. Who is this radical left you are referring to? jalan48 Apr 2016 #15
Maybe people who think being cordial at a party is EEEEVVILLLLLLLLLLLL ? ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2016 #16
I think her hugging Henry K was enough. jalan48 Apr 2016 #19
It's a simple answer. Cary Apr 2016 #17
I have no idea what you are talking about. jalan48 Apr 2016 #18
I agree Cary Apr 2016 #20
I'm sorry you are so confused. Don't give up-you'll get it. jalan48 Apr 2016 #21
You see, this is invariably what you all do Cary Apr 2016 #22
Good luck with that "radical leftist' meme. jalan48 Apr 2016 #23
Read slowly: you don't say? Cary Apr 2016 #24
It's ok-I've been reading a long time so it's easier for me. Don't give up-you can do it! jalan48 Apr 2016 #26
Read slowly: Is that right? Cary Apr 2016 #27
Keep trying-radical leftist alert sounds better. jalan48 Apr 2016 #29
You all need new schtick Cary Apr 2016 #30
I'm digging this "radical leftist" thing you're pushing. What fun! jalan48 Apr 2016 #35
Try the ignore button. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #56
I do not hate Sanders supporters. Cary Apr 2016 #58
Which Sanders supporters don't you hate? The ones that line up behind Clinton? That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #70
It has nothing to do with whether they are Sanders supporters Cary Apr 2016 #72
What are "emoprogs" it sounds like a freeper term for progressives? That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #74
"Emoprogs" Cary Apr 2016 #75
do i paint my nails black and rock out to angsty music pls? redruddyred Apr 2016 #98
Lovely Cary Apr 2016 #101
What issues do the left support that you disagree with? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #38
The radical left isn't about being leftist Cary Apr 2016 #41
Radical was the Reagan Counter Revolution that began the destruction of the country appalachiablue Apr 2016 #47
The radical right is more functional than the radical left Cary Apr 2016 #50
Mr. Frank says it well Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #25
Explained it all well Jack Rabbit. The Forty years of destruction of America from Reagnomics, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #42
i must have seen this vid three times redruddyred Apr 2016 #28
kicking for later Pharaoh Apr 2016 #32
Thomas Frank is a great Democrat. He has got this exactly right. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #33
I saw this Sunday. clg311 Apr 2016 #40
"They Have No Where Else To Go", remains to be seen. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #44
We the people are voting, Hillary is ahead by many votes and moved further Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #52
k&r excellent nationalize the fed Apr 2016 #57
The ugly truth and we're in it big now unless major change can happen. I think it will. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #69
Interesting, But I Disagree erpowers Apr 2016 #84
Monica Lewinsky saved Social Security from being privatized. She is a hero! nt thereismore Apr 2016 #87
*MONICA LEWINSKY Saved Us When Clinton Almost Privatized SOCIAL SECURITY in 1998! appalachiablue Apr 2016 #88
I did not know that! Now, if Hillary gets to be prez, will she finish the job Monica interrupted? nt thereismore Apr 2016 #89
There was a recent post about her doing that I meant to save and can't find. But it's appalachiablue Apr 2016 #90
Yes, the cap makes absolute sense. The republican fools refused to take concessions from Obama on SS thereismore Apr 2016 #91
Sounds very plausible. Clinton Saga 2.0. Don't think I can live thru another C. Admin. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #92
I liked Bill. I was a fool, so I did not see the carnage. I suffered through the horrible years of * thereismore Apr 2016 #93
monica redruddyred Apr 2016 #99
"Listen Liberal!" Author THOMAS FRANK: In 1997, PRES. BILL CLINTON & NEWT GINGRICH (R) appalachiablue Apr 2016 #104
I've been a registered democrat all my life danimich1 Apr 2016 #102
"THE BIG SHORT" (2015) Awarded Film on subprime housing collapse, 2008 Financial Crisis. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #105
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
1. The Big Money bought the leaders of our Party. They own many top Democrats including
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

the Clintons and Debbie What's-her-name Schultz. Our movement has an uphill battle but we will prevail. Many of the honest progressive Congress-Critters are starting to step forward now that they see that millions will stand behind them.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
2. I left the democratic party and became a no party affiliation voter. No way do I want the
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

DNC/DWS to think I'm with them! I'm still the same, but the democratic party left me with the ever rightward march and TPTB love of greed and $$$$'s.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
4. The Democratic Party left me too, the proud one of The People, FDR, JFK and others.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

Bonding with Wall Street, Repeal of Glass-Steagall, 'Crime and Welfare Reform' Bills, Telecom Act of 1996 that destroyed journalism, Trade Agreements NAFTA and China Free Trade, Expanded H1-B Visas, globalization, widespread greed and the betrayal and abandonment of the working and middle classes have almost destroyed this country and the Democratic Party is largely responsible.
The continuance of conservative Reaganism never had a better friend than Third Way Corporate Democrats, and as Alan Greenspan said, "Bill Clinton is my favorite Republican President."

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
3. Well said. Thank heaven for progressive fighters rising now as political candidates
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1)

and in movements all over the US and world. In another talk, probably on The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann, Tommy brought up what Octafish superbly outlines in his GD-P OP now: that Bill, with the assistance of Southern Boomer buddy Newt Gingrich was ready to cut Social Security in 1998 but for the entrance of the MONICA Lewinsky scandal.

NAFTA, the Crime and Welfare Acts, Glass-Steagall repealed, foreign involvements, Telecom Act of 1996 that destroyed journalism and if SS had been followed through, the 2008 Burndown would have been even worse. All of it is almost incomprehensible if I hadn't learned about it in depth from rigorous education for some years now. Makes me ill at times, the level of deception, betrayal of the working and middle classes, and the corruption and devastation by the once FDR-JFK Democratic Party of the People.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
34. I am a better Democrat than one that puts greed before helping those
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

among us that need help. Gloat and mock all you want. You feel brave because you choose the side of the Fat Cats and turn you back on the 50 million Americans living in poverty.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
5. If Hillary gets the nomination a whole bunch of people will be leaving the Party.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's exposed the fraud the "People's Party" has become.

tom_kelly

(960 posts)
6. If Hillary is the nominee
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

I will not vote for her. Ill write In Bernie. Never will I vote for someone I don't trust any more than a republican candidate.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
11. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

Taking your bat and ball and going home.

I have zero respect for this. (spits)

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
31. i think it's a complicated topic
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

but the bernie or bust ppl are not democrats

at least not how hillary has framed the party. frankly i think she is a republican.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
39. the sentiment goes both ways, believe me
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

i am not bernie or bust but i sure wish y'all would stop mucking up my primary with your red herrings and LIES

stop lying hillary. you're driving us into the arms of TRUMP.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
43. But you lose.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

You always do.

You are a minority in the Democratic Party. You don't get to bulldoze over the rest of us.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
46. you cheat
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

you always do

americans hate your candidate(s). you shouldn't get to bulldoze over the rest of us either.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
48. I beg your pardon
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

I did no such thing.

You have never seen me say a negative word about Bernie Sanders. I don't care about Sanders or Clinton, I care about Democrats winning. This election is very important.

No one cheated. The fact is we had two excellent candidates. Sanders lost. Boo hoo you get no sympathy from me. Go cry to someone who isn't a Democrat.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
49. clinton isn't a democrat, my good cary sir
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

i care abt the people winning
tell the psychopaths and machiavellian personalities at the top & their cronies in M$M to stop ruining things for the rest of us
you make the little baby jesus cry

Cary

(11,746 posts)
51. Watch
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

90% of us believe she is very much a Democrat. That kind of settles that.

You see, we actually have coalition parties in this country.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
53. she is for now
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

but it's only because that Bad Bad Bernie keeps ranting on abt citizen's united and debt slavery

watch. six months from now she'll be a republican again. or, better yet, RETIRED.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
61. life's pretty shit
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

out here in the actual real world
the one which hillary hasn't lived in since 1983
stay pure my bourgeois friend

Cary

(11,746 posts)
62. Your poor attitude and disposition aren't my fault
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

Nor my responsibility. Nor do you have any idea who you are addressing.

Your own contentment lies within you.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
64. That wasn't my point
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

I am a human being with all the pluses and minuses that go with it including my share of codependence.

Part of being a whole person is being able to make yourself happy and part of it too is keeping your own boundaries. I can't make you happy even if I wanted to. Suggesting that I am responsible for that is over my boundaries.

No codependency.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
65. i get it now
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

my $7.25 an hour part time overnight with no benefit jobs is a blessing!
the leak in my pipes -- a gift from god!
the fact that my life circumstance has been engineered by the sheer greed of other humans: the funny man in the sky works in mysterious ways

thanks for clearing that up for me.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
67. Yesterday I dropped everything to run to the hospital and do a will
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

I was there when the hospice worker was telling my client and his family what to do in the event of an emergency while taking my client home to die with his family.

He had 7 days. I get maybe a dozen of these a year. Cancer.

I once felt sorry for myself because I had no shoes. Then I met a man with no feet.

You know what? Contentment is all within and you're still looking in the wrong place. I also have friends who survived Auschwitz. I could go on but it's probably useless. I do recommend to you the Tao te Ching.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
68. do you want me to storytop you tho. i'm the suffering olympics champion.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

it says so on my profile.

i want your friends with cancer to have health insurance so doesn't have to pay entire life savings on chemo. i want your friend to get regular screenings so irregularities can be caught and dealt with.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
73. Absolutely anyone can find contentment
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the Tao.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you.

Lao Tzu, Tao te Ching

Cary

(11,746 posts)
82. Taoism isn't a religion in that sense
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

I have done martial arts for a few decades now. There is a lot wisdom in the Tao and it is connected to Chinese medicine, qigong, Bagua, Hsing Yi, Tai Chi (both the philosophy and the martial art), and Wu Dang.

I doubt that Marx was referring to the Tao.

You would do well to explore the philosophy, given all of your troubles.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
85. i am so sick of the ad hominems
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:02 PM
Apr 2016

this is DU. let's discuss social issues, not my personal life. or yours for that matter. niether are very interesting.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
86. You're the one who said your life was shitty
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:29 PM
Apr 2016

I made my suggestion in good faith.

And that isn't an ad hominem.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
96. You don't like me
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

That's fine. I have more than enough people in my life who like me and actually deserve.my attention. So buzz off.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
45. So Manichean
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

I don't see the world in black and white. It's technicolor with every possible shade.

I recall telling a radical right idiot the same thing. It didn't faze him either.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
55. "They have no where else to go" <-- AKA Fuck the 'little people' .. Let them eat cake.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

Did you not hear Thomas Frank had to say about the neoliberal betrayal
of the New Deal and working people ? ... or do you simply not give
a rats ass about the damage done to "the people's party"?

Or perhaps both.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
66. Then why can't you leave it there?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

I don't look to make enemies but when people become toxic and obnoxious guess what?

You have lost your bid. Now is a good time for some much needed introspection. Maybe you don't win friends and influence people when you all behave the way you're behaving here at DU?

I have never said a bad word about Sanders. I have said all along that we Democrats have two great candidates and I'd be happy to support either. I look at the mess the Republicans have and I'm proud. I look at my party and I'm proud.

Then I come here and I see people working so hard to trash the Democratic Party that I'm so proud of. WTF?

Cary

(11,746 posts)
83. There was never any point in the abuse I've encountered here
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

This is part of the problem with the radical left and it goes back to the idea of finding common ground and working towards common goals. The truly ludicrous part is that I don't disagree with you on a whole lot. It's the radical left's behavior that is intolerable.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
16. Maybe people who think being cordial at a party is EEEEVVILLLLLLLLLLLL ?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

Is it time to whip out the Secretary of State shaking hands with some noxious dictator on a diplomatic trip yet?

Basically, if you can't see how nutcase that is, you're far too entrenched in your own cognitive dissonance to ever actually talk to.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Cary

(11,746 posts)
17. It's a simple answer.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

Figure it out.

Take a few steps back and put yourself in the shoes of someone here at DU who isn't a Sanders supporter. Cripes. I am sick and tired of the crap. I'm not alone.

If you can't do that then you're beyond my reach. I have spent too much time trying to teach pigs to sing. The pig never sings, it.just gets mad.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
18. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

You make a statement then you can't back it up. There's nothing to figure out. "Radical Left" generally means people like the Panthers, SDS and any other "left" group that advocates using violence. So, who are today's radical leftists, BLM? Or do you mean people like FDR-was he a radical leftist? Last time I checked the pigs were getting fat on Wall Street-is that your thing?

Cary

(11,746 posts)
20. I agree
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

You have no idea, and I have no confidence that you ever will because you don't want to understand. Which is why I refuse to try to explain it to you. Been there, done that. It's a waste of time.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
21. I'm sorry you are so confused. Don't give up-you'll get it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

You might start by reading a little history-it will really help you understand what certain words mean. Also, there are some great online dictionaries which will prove helpful too.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
22. You see, this is invariably what you all do
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

So I write you all off. In the meantime, GO HILLARY!!!!

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
56. Try the ignore button.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:46 AM
Apr 2016

I've seen several posts of yours tonight, very angry about Sanders supporters and apparently not realizing how divisive your posts are. You are not speaking for all of DU, or even all of Clintons supporters, luckily considering that some of the "radical left" support HRC.

As far as "Reprobates that are beyond redemption", hopefully your candidate "happily will not need them."

Cary

(11,746 posts)
58. I do not hate Sanders supporters.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:45 AM
Apr 2016

I hate emoprogs and we are better off without them. Let Republicans destroy themselves courting their stupid radicals.

You can't compromise with radicals. That's why they are radicals.

I never said I speak for anyone else. If you wish to be codependent I wish you all the luck in the world. I'll cut my losses and run, thank you very much.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
75. "Emoprogs"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

Emo Progressive (or "emoprog&quot is a self-described liberal or progressive, often with libertarian leanings, whose political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents.

Emoprogs are ideological purists who disdain compromise and incremental change, which they see as "selling out" liberal ideas like full employment, an end to all wars, state secrets, and liberal social policy.

Emoprogs dislike Republicans but reserve their greatest disdain for Democratic presidents, whom they relentlessly attack for not meeting a set of ideological goal posts that are constantly adjusted to ensure that the president will be deemed a disappointment, "not progressive enough" or "just like a Republican" no matter what policy achievements are made.

Emoprogs routinely dismiss or ignore congress' role in making or impeding policy, believing presidents can simply "use the bully pulpit" and "fight" in order to overcome constitutional or legislative obstacles.

Emoprogs have a strong affinity for 3rd party politics as a way to punish Democratic presidents. They are especially hostile to President Obama and deem anyone who expresses a lack of ill will toward him to be "Obamabots" and enemies of liberalism.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Emo%20Progressive

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
98. do i paint my nails black and rock out to angsty music pls?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016


i'd like to fuck an emoprog. sounds like they have lots of feelings and it would be hella intense. & since they're so equality-oriented they'd defos be superconcerned with my pleasure. excellent!

Cary

(11,746 posts)
41. The radical left isn't about being leftist
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

The radical left is about being radical.

And I have no use for that.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
47. Radical was the Reagan Counter Revolution that began the destruction of the country
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

and our democracy.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
50. The radical right is more functional than the radical left
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

They were able to destroy the Republican Party. The radical left is about to go back under their rock, where they belong while the adults take care of business and carry their sorry asses.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
25. Mr. Frank says it well
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

I graduated from college in 1975 into a recession, joined the army to sit it out (there were a half dozen college grads in my basic training company at Fort Dix), and then got out of the army just in time for Ronald Reagan to usher in the neoliberal era (reaganomics and neoliberalism are the same goddam piece of trash). America has not had a stable or even working economy since. No neoliberal -- Reagan, Bush the Preppy, Mr. Clinton, Bush the Frat Boy or Obama -- has done any good by us, the Common American People. I expect no better from Mrs. Clinton. After four years of Hillary, we'll have fewer jobs, more income inequality and more dead soldiers and sailors home from pointless wars.

If I vote for Mrs. Clinton, it's because she's better than Trump who wants to be Führer or Cruz who wants to be King of the Mountain. Congratulations, Al From, your vision of the New Democrat is still better than the New Republican. It's about as good as Eisenhower, who was also a Republican, and it still isn't FDR, which is what we really need.

In the last three and a half decades, neoliberals have built an economy on fraud without a middle class. That is a recipe for decadence, decline and ruin, not prosperity. Want to make it an even four decades? OK, vote for Hillary Clinton.

What did you say, neoliberal defenders of the status quo? Democracy is mob rule. Then I'm for mob rule. I am convinced that a mob can rule better than these elite, entitled idiots, whether they are Republicans or Democrats.

Power to the People.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
42. Explained it all well Jack Rabbit. The Forty years of destruction of America from Reagnomics,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

free market voodoo economics, neoliberalism, rampant deregulation, privatization, globalization, corruption and extreme greed. It's the devouring end-stage monopolistic descent into plutocracy, the dismantling of democratic institutions and rise of proto fascist elements unchecked in the US except for the many brave, determined and progressive individuals and movements that are fighting and growing strong here and around the world.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
28. i must have seen this vid three times
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

it's a great one. i'll have to check out the book too.

highly recommended, y'all, will change your life. or political understanding rather

 

clg311

(119 posts)
40. I saw this Sunday.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

The Clintons, Obama and corporate democrats have utter contempt for the people who aren't in the upper 10% that vote for them. During the TPP debate Obama insulted liberals who opposed it and Rahm Emmanuel did the same when he was chief of staff. Thankfully younger voters are rejecting them. If Hillary goes down in flames they will be the future of the party.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. We the people are voting, Hillary is ahead by many votes and moved further
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

Ahead tonight. Now we would not want oligarchy would we? The majority should be in charge.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
57. k&r excellent
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:45 AM
Apr 2016

The Democratic Party under the leadership of President BILL CLINTON turned its back on its working class and middle class roots while attempting to expand and capture the professional class. Claiming that 'THEY HAVE NO PLACE ELSE TO GO', the Democrats have also been responsible for policies that increased INCOME INEQUALITY and increased the economic insecurity of white working class people.


Truth cuts like a knife

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
84. Interesting, But I Disagree
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:59 PM
Apr 2016

This is an interesting video, but I disagree with Thomas Frank. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama did and tried to do a number of things for middle class and poor people. Clinton raised taxes to nearly 40% for the top earners. President Obama did the same thing after President Bush reduced their tax rate to about 35%. President Clinton also increased the Earned Income Tax Credit. President Obama got some pretty good settlements from the banks that gave bad loans to people. In addition, the Obama Administration did attempt to prosecute some leaders of banks and other individuals who engaged in fraudulent activity before the economic collapse. However, they were not able to get convictions. Most likely others can give more examples of how President Clinton and President Obama helped middle class and poor people.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
88. *MONICA LEWINSKY Saved Us When Clinton Almost Privatized SOCIAL SECURITY in 1998!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

As Tommy Frank pointed out. Thank heaven, there should be a commemoration/honor- a plaque or something for "The Intervention"!

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
90. There was a recent post about her doing that I meant to save and can't find. But it's
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

generally agreed that she will cut Social Security, and when pressed she's saying on the campaign that she'll 'strengthen it', esp. for the most vulnerable seniors. That is 'means testing' according to many here and not good. BERNIE states he wants to EXPAND SS, namely by lifting the Cap (cap=119K I think) which would be easy and effective.

Remember a few years ago Obama's Catfood Commission, Erskine Bowels (D) and Alan Simpson (R) who he sent out to talk about the need to cut entitlements. That's the dirty non secret of Neoliberal, Third Way Dems. like Van Hollen of MD, and others who attend the conferences of old Pete Peterson, the multimillionaire financier who's been funding and lobbying to privatize that juicy SS Trust Fund of $2.3 Trillion for decades, so he can play/gamble with it on Wall Street.

Also, there's a very revealing, short video clip here from 2011 of Bill whispering to GOP budget slasher Paul Ryan about Cutting Entitlement programs. Believe it.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
91. Yes, the cap makes absolute sense. The republican fools refused to take concessions from Obama on SS
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

because they want it all. With Hillary, the sky is the limit. She'll do everything they want and then they will impeach her anyway just for fun.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
92. Sounds very plausible. Clinton Saga 2.0. Don't think I can live thru another C. Admin.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

I was younger and stronger during the last one, and it was rough. But now...wow.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
93. I liked Bill. I was a fool, so I did not see the carnage. I suffered through the horrible years of *
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

I lived. I was ecstatic when Obama became President and I still like him. I realize that to the Clintons he was just an inconvenient interim historical presidency that had to be tolerated. He had good intentions, but in the aftermath of the collapse, under pressure from his Wall Street donors, he did their bidding and saved THEM. It was a great investment for Goldman Sachs to support him. The nation limps on. A Clinton presidency now would be Clinton 1 on steroids. TPP is nicely lined up. The siphoning of wealth from the working people into the owners' pockets will only accelerate.

I can only imagine what racists felt during the 8 years of Obama, the hatred that burned for 8 years. I am not going to do that to myself if by some miracle she becomes President. I will start reading more books, make art, and wait for the inevitable revolution.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
104. "Listen Liberal!" Author THOMAS FRANK: In 1997, PRES. BILL CLINTON & NEWT GINGRICH (R)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

met in secret meetings held at the White House to work on PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY. The major Social Security program to provide safety and protection for people in old age and those unable to work was established by FDR in the 1930s during the Great Depression. Clinton's Plan was to transfer the over $2 Trillion Funds in the Social Security Trust to the private hands of financiers on Wall Street for use on the stock market to gamble. From the late 1980s, New-DLC-Third Way Democrats were committed to allying with the banks for campaign support and to disband FDR's NEW DEAL reform legislation implemented to preserve the US from another economic crisis like the Crash of 1929 that caused the Great Depression, and to create strong laws to protect and maintain the economy, society, workers and the middle class.

Since its creation SOCIAL SECURITY has been a popular program and a hallmark back bone of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
In January, 1998 Clinton stated the plan to *"REFORM SOCIAL SECURITY" in his speech at the State of the Union Address, but then fate stepped in when the MONICA LEWINSKY scandal broke soon afterwards. Fortunate timing for the American people. Otherwise the process to privatize the Social Security Trust Funds would have succeeded and ended up on Wall Street. With the coming collapse of the subprime mortgage housing bubble and the 2008 Financial Crash nine years later, millions of Americans lost homes, jobs, pension funds, retirement savings, and Social Security might have been in real trouble if an enormous amount of the funds would have been lost by the banks.



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In 1999 the next year, Clinton continued deregulating more rules on bank operations that the financial industry had supported with millions in lobbying, by enacting the
*1999 GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY ACT which repealed GLASS-STEAGALL, the BANKING ACT of 1933. Glass-Steagall was FDR's landmark New Deal financial reform law that essentially separated checkbook commercial banks from investment bank speculation. *For 75 years, the firewall of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Banking Act prevented another major US financial crash, from the 1929 Crash and the Great Depression until 2008. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/05/business/congress-passes-wide-ranging-bill-easing-bank-laws.html?pagewanted=all



-1999 Clinton Signs GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY-ACT, Repeal of 1933 GLASS-STEAGALL BANK ACT Act Key Provisions



-FDR Signs GLASS-STEAGALL BANKING ACT 1933, Co-Sponsors Sen. Carter Glass (D-VA), Rep. Henry Steagall (D-AL)
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The year 2000, Clinton's last in office saw enactment of the *2000 COMMODITIES FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT*, a bill which Congress rushed through in Dec. 2000 during a lame duck session of Congress, that favored deregulation in the finance industry's derivatives and credit-swap obligations instruments while the country was focused on the outcome of the contentious Gore v. Bush election results.
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..The saga of the COMMODITY FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT begins in 1998. At the time, the economy was booming, stocks soared, and new instruments of trading were found to make more money while evading the oversight of regulatory bodies. Two of those growing instruments were financial DERIVATIVES and CREDIT-DEFAULT SWAPS. *As these new financial instruments emerged a debate began over whether or not to REGULATE THEM.
The chairman of the Commodity Futures Trade Commission (CFTC) *BROOKSLEY BORN issued a first call for her regulatory commission to have power to oversee financial derivatives. While previous legislative attempts had been made earlier, Born’s efforts were the most direct and threatening to the financial industry. >During an April 1998 meeting of the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets, Federal Reserve chairman Alan GREENSPAN, Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert RUBIN (and later Secretary Larry SUMMERS), and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairman ARTHUR LEVITT opposed Born’s efforts and attempted to derail her.



-BROOKSLEY BORN, attorney, Chairman of the CFTC (Commodities Futures Trading Commission) knew in the late 1990s the dangers of derivatives, MBS and CDO financial products and in 1998 tried to convince key govt. regulators, Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers and Arthur Levitt of the high risk they posed for major Economic Crisis. *See the excellent PBS FRONTINE Program, "THE WARNING" (2009).



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-warning-brooksley-borns-battle-with-alan-greenspan-robert-rubin-and-larry-summers-2009-10

*BORN felt that an unregulated derivatives market that spawned the LTCM bailout could “pose grave dangers to our economy.” In the end, Born lost her battle and, in May 1999, asked to be replaced as CFTC chairman. The new chairman, William Rainer, was more amenable to the positions of industry leaders and the major government officials Summers, Greenspan, and Levitt. Later that year, the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets released a report calling for “NO REGULATIONS"” of DERIVATIVES AND SWAPS and began crafting a program to make that possible. Meanwhile in Congress, lawmakers were still up-in-arms over Born’s attempts to regulate the financial derivatives market and began working to pass their own set of deregulatory language. Leading the charge in Congress were *SENS. PHIL GRAMM (R-TX) and RICHARD LUGAR (R-IN) and Rep. THOMAS EWING (R-IL). In May of 2000, Rep. Ewing introduced his Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Throughout the better part of the year Gramm, Lugar and Ewing worked with the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets—most specifically, Treasury Secretary Summers, CFTC Chairman Rainer and SEC Chairman Levitt—to strike a deal on the bill.


- SEN. PHIL GRAMM (R-TX), Champion of Financial Deregulation: Chairman of Senate Banking Committee (1995-2000)

The final language, which the public was hardly aware of, contained some new sections not in the original Ewing bill that, for all intents and purposes, exempted swaps and derivatives from regulation by both the CFTC, which had already implemented rules that it would not regulate swaps and derivatives, and the SEC. Also, hidden within the bill was an exemption for energy derivative trading, which would later become known as the “ENRON LOOPHOLE" - this loophole would provide the impetus for Enron’s nose dive into full blown corporate corruption. *Ultimately, while the unregulated market in derivatives and swaps did not cause the economic downturn itself, it was a propellant of the crisis, accelerating the collapses of major financial companies across the globe.
As of June 30, 2008, the GLOBAL DERIVATIVES MARKET had exploded to $530 trillion, while credit default swaps had grown from mere insignificance to $55 billion. *When the credit crisis and the mortgage meltdown began to take hold, major firms found out the swaps made their investments far riskier than they could handle.

>Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and American International Group (AIG) all collapsed due to problems with the unregulated market of credit default swaps. The MAJOR BANKS were also heavily involved with credit default swaps. A report from the Comptroller of the Currency recorded in the third quarter of 2007 that the top banks in the credit default market were JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, Bank of America and Wachovia. Wells Fargo purchased Wachovia after it collapsed. Bank of America has received approximately $45 billion in TARP funds from the Treasury Department, mostly to offset losses from its acquisitions of Countrywide Financial in 2007 and Morgan Stanley in 2008. Citibank’s parent company Citigroup faced a complete MELTDOWN during the end of 2008, received $50 billion in TARP funds from Treasury, and is breaking apart into smaller companies. JP Morgan Chase, while weathering the crisis far better than the other banks, still received $25 billion in TARP funds. *CONSENSUS is nearly universal that the FAILURE TO REGULATE financial derivatives trading and the subsequent explosion of credit default swaps, BY PASSING THE COMMODITIES FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT, WAS A MISTAKE. Deregulation supporter Chris Cox, a former SEC chairman under President George W. Bush and congressman from California, called the swaps *“the fuel for what has become a global credit crisis.” According to Bloomberg, ALAN GREENSPAN “acknowledges he’d been ‘partially’ WRONG to oppose regulation of such instruments.” Former SEC chairman LEVITT stated that if given the chance for a do-over he “would have pushed for some way to give greater transparency to products which turned out to be injurious to our markets.”
htttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-blumenthal/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926.html_________
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Banking Act of 1933, commonly called Glass-Steagall, June 16, 1933, by Julia Maues, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
*THE BANKING ACT OF 1933, Commonly Known as GLASS-STEAGALL for Congress Members Who Co-Sponsored the Bill.*

The emergency legislation that was passed within days of President Franklin Roosevelt taking office in March 1933 was just the start of the process to restore confidence in the banking system. Congress saw the need for substantial reform of the banking system, which eventually came in the BANKING ACT of 1933, or the GLASS-STEAGALL ACT named for the Congress member co-sponsors. The bill was designed *“to provide for the safer and more effective use of the assets of banks, to regulate interbank control, to prevent the undue diversion of funds into speculative operations, and for other purposes.” The measure was sponsored by Sen. Carter Glass (D-VA) and Rep. Henry Steagall (D-AL). Glass, a former Treasury secretary, was the primary force behind the act. Steagall, then chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, agreed to support the act with Glass after an amendment was added to permit bank deposit insurance..

Some background: In the wake of the 1929 STOCK MARKET CRASH and the subsequent GREAT DEPRESSION, Congress was concerned that commercial banking operations and the payments system were incurring losses from volatile equity markets. An important motivation for the act was the desire to restrict the use of bank credit for speculation and to direct bank credit into what Glass and others thought to be more productive uses, such as industry, commerce, and agriculture.
In response to these concerns, the main provisions of the Banking Act of 1933 *effectively separated commercial banking from investment banking. Senator Glass was the driving force behind this provision. Basically, commercial banks, which took in deposits and made loans, were no longer allowed to underwrite or deal in securities, while investment banks, which underwrote and dealt in securities, were no longer allowed to have close connections to commercial banks, such as overlapping directorships or common ownership.
..Prior to the passage of the act, *there were no restrictions on the right of a bank officer of a member bank to borrow from that bank. Excessive loans to bank officers and directors became a concern to bank regulators. In response, the act prohibited Federal Reserve member bank loans to their executive officers and required the repayment of outstanding loans..Following the passage of the act, institutions were given a year to decide whether they would specialize in commercial or investment banking. Only 10 percent of commercial banks’ total income could stem from securities; however, an exception allowed commercial banks to underwrite government-issued bonds.*The separation of commercial and investment banking was not controversial in 1933. There was a broad belief that separation would lead to a healthier financial system.
*It became more controversial over the years and *in 1999 the GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY ACT repealed the provisions of the Banking Act of 1933 that restricted affiliations between banks and securities firms. Con't.
Read More: http://www.federalreservehistory.org/Events/DetailView/25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Banking_Act



danimich1

(175 posts)
102. I've been a registered democrat all my life
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

But I'm about to become independent. Democrats are now what Republicans used to be. Pathetic. And democrats who defend this are an insult to what this party is supposed to be.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
105. "THE BIG SHORT" (2015) Awarded Film on subprime housing collapse, 2008 Financial Crisis.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

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Four denizens in the world of high-finance predict the credit and housing bubble collapse of the mid-2000s, and decide to take on the big banks for their greed and lack of foresight.
Director: Adam McKay
Writers: Charles Randolph (screenplay), Adam McKay (screenplay) | 1 more credit »
Stars: Christian Bale, Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling | See full cast & crew »

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596363/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short_(film)


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