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Hillary endorsing displacing American jobs (Original Post) Bubzer Apr 2016 OP
So Telling ciaobaby Apr 2016 #1
I've been to microsoft in Bellevue Washington, and chatted with a few H1B visa workers there. Bubzer Apr 2016 #3
offshore folk have professional interviewers Skittles Apr 2016 #7
This is a complicated issue and it deserves an intelligent discussion Baobab Apr 2016 #11
She's done ok for herself and she isn't the brightest Geronimoe Apr 2016 #2
She looks so creepy in this video. Really evil. Baobab Apr 2016 #21
She wants it both ways muktiman Apr 2016 #4
they needed three 'crises' to pass the various trade in services bills. Baobab Apr 2016 #12
Senator from Punjab. Hillary said she could run for that position at a speech appalachiablue Apr 2016 #5
and the HRC supporters don't care. nt antigop Apr 2016 #6
+1000 C Moon Apr 2016 #8
Sheep being herded over the cliff Geronimoe Apr 2016 #9
but, but, but...It's her turn! nt antigop Apr 2016 #10
But what about the least developed countries? Baobab Apr 2016 #13
why is that OUR JOB? Skittles Apr 2016 #15
You can read about it Baobab Apr 2016 #16
the people who think it's a great idea Skittles Apr 2016 #17
showing our support of the Clinton global agenda Baobab Apr 2016 #19
Is that easier than RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #14
being successful like us by following our models/El Dorado analogy Baobab Apr 2016 #18
Thanks for the party line RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #20
I don't support the party line, I have been speaking out against this. Baobab Apr 2016 #22
 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
1. So Telling
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

Visa's for foreigners for the "High Skilled" workers.
Americans can have those "middle class" jobs. You know, the ones that pay minimum wage !
Jeeze - can it get any worse.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
3. I've been to microsoft in Bellevue Washington, and chatted with a few H1B visa workers there.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

What they told me was rather astonishing. Turns out here are a few brought over that are highly skilled... but for most of them, they just have to be computer literate, and able to read, write and speak English... and someone at Microsoft teaches them how to do whatever job they were hired for. I suspect the ones coming over who are highly skilled are expected to teach the others.

It made me feel sorry for IT workers in Washington. I wouldn't be surprised to learn its very similar in California.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
7. offshore folk have professional interviewers
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

who speak English very well and know the job requirements - but that's not who shows up the for the job

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
11. This is a complicated issue and it deserves an intelligent discussion
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

the problem is, these jobs have been promised to developing countries going back 20 years as sort of the reward for participating in globalization, and that fact is highly problematic.

H1-B is not as worrisome to me as much as so called "Mode Four" jobs which could explode in amount, if any of several things happens. And those things are not unlikely, quite the opposite, I think.

The issue of whether quotas on L-1 visas are allowable is before the WTO right now. This is a new development. As of march 17, i think.

A visa fee of a few thousand dollars is inconsequential when "temporary" workers can be paid whatever the employer and employee agree upon and they can be present for five years or more..even if they are quite lower in skill, having professionals work for minimum wage or even less is unfair to US workers who have substantially higher costs of living and never expected that their own government would be falling over itself to set up deals to undermine their nation's future just so huge corporations could make huge profits and not give back to the community at all (except for campaign contributions to xxxxx politicians)

http://commerce.nic.in/wto_sub/Invest/sub_invest-W39.htm

http://www.tilj.org/content/journal/42/num1/Worster55.pdf

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
2. She's done ok for herself and she isn't the brightest
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

She failed to pass DC bar exam after having attended Yale Law.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
21. She looks so creepy in this video. Really evil.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

This has to be stopped or it will kill the services economy for so any people. Millions.

If they keep on doing this, there wont be any entry level jobs. What will be the point? Maybe thats what they want so they can steal the future with no interference.


#HillarySoStupid

muktiman

(19 posts)
4. She wants it both ways
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

More visas for skilled foreign workers while American workers are deprived of training, education and the needed skills for 21st century jobs. Hum, is that the best way for Americans forward or just the best way for the American oligarchs. Depress wages at home and brain drain intellectual wealth from overseas - why that's a two for one. Let's hear it for the neo-liberal way.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
12. they needed three 'crises' to pass the various trade in services bills.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016
health care, education and IT

if they solved them, then they would not have crises to use to get their way.

Why buy when you can rent?

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
5. Senator from Punjab. Hillary said she could run for that position at a speech
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

to tech and employment placing companies in India in the 2000s while US Senator from New York.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
9. Sheep being herded over the cliff
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

Your husband destroys the world economy, you shouldn't get a shot to do the same.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
16. You can read about it
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

WTO GATS goes back to 1995

I don't want to explain it, since i disagree with it. its not my fault.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
17. the people who think it's a great idea
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

are the same people who profit from pimping off American jobs

they don't give a rats ass about poor people here but we are expected to believe they care about poor people elsewhere???

F*** that shyte

*DONE HERE*

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
19. showing our support of the Clinton global agenda
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

>are the same people who profit from pimping off American jobs

Yes,

>they don't give a rats ass about poor people here but we are expected to believe they care about poor people elsewhere???

Please, understand - youre basically right- unfortunately- I agree with you, I dont think they do either. they couldnt care less. they had to stoop the positive changes in the 20th century or they would have to share more- Its a big scheme- a con game- Its all about using our trust like play money, playing them and us for every possible penny in that period when they still have misplaced trust, thats how con people operate- . Playing US too. We're kind of trapped with this system and they know it, we are stuck, so they give us their line and what can we do, nothing, so we really dont have any choice. They have successfully gamed the system now I keep getting told. Since we're endorsing the wife of the guy who set it up, we're going to be assumed to be fine with it, ya know.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bill+clinton+at+WTO

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
14. Is that easier than
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

Making college free for public colleges and universities?
Will these folks be working on tech projects that affect the country's security?
I think that even if it is more expensive, we should use US folks, rather than import people from overseas for these jobs. We have plenty of good folks here for tech jobs.
I think it's a ploy to make their pay less.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
18. being successful like us by following our models/El Dorado analogy
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

>Making college free for public colleges and universities?

One of the main - perhaps the main concept behind GATS is promoting more competition, so no, you cannot give anything away that would be stealing the market from the foreign providers- their big educational brands would then have a cause of action against the government - they could demand compensation and sanctions until it stopped.

>Will these folks be working on tech projects that affect the country's security?

I have no idea- probably not, and one thing I constantly think while reading these deals text is that its possible that a few years down the line people will probably want more secret and security oriented spending because they are perhaps one of the only service areas that is exempted.

>I think that even if it is more expensive, we should use US folks, rather than import people from overseas for these jobs.

The US recently won a case on that before the WTO, so that likely will be illegal if any government money is involved. No more preferences, basically no more New Deals. Government spending will gradually have to use an e-tendering system, like the WTO revised Government procurement Agreement e-portal.

This creates a level playing field where the lowest qualified bidder wins.

>We have plenty of good folks here for tech jobs.

yes, i agree with you completely.

>I think it's a ploy to make their pay less.

Oh, its not a play, thats the #1 goal, thats one of the so called "benefits of the agreement" - competition lowers labor costs.

The Clintons have been associated with the idea of globalizing the world for many decades. they generously helped set up the WTO to help the developing nations be easier to exploit.
offering them this reward - kind of like El Dorado, the glittering city of gold if they just behave like us and privatize - they can be successful with their healthcare systems, their educational systems. the US is so rich we even got rid of welfare-

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
20. Thanks for the party line
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

Sounds like neo-liberal capitalism, which is killing the middle class, and killing the planet!
Long live the oligarchy!

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
22. I don't support the party line, I have been speaking out against this.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

This is what I was talking about re: "recent case before the WTO"


http://iatp.org/blog/201602/obama-undermines-climate-efforts-in-solar-trade-dispute

As you see "USTR" are fighting for the totally wrong thing. I am sorry if I did not make that clearer,

I think in this message they were trying to send a message that the giveaway is still on. They cant talk about it directly because Americans like our fellow bloggers here don't know that they gave away the farm 20 years ago. Or started the process that has us now today perhaps unable to have a New Deal like program because they have systematically gone bit by bit and made it impossible, quietly.


They (the neoliberals like Clinton and her asociate campiagn donors from Asia in particularly) are fighting a war against the people of America. Nothing less.

OTOH, PLEASE dont blame the people who work in these jobs or even many H1-Bs - The biggest problems that I see are with the L-1 visas and something called "Mode Four" which is temporary (maybe more than seven years for managers though) and "not immigration" and I dont think they have to even pay minimum wage although they likely do pay better than that but it could get very bad.

Its all about money. this value system believes lowering wages - low wages are good and higher wages are bad. That's Hillary's REAL position.

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