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GoLeft TV

(3,910 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:51 PM Apr 2016

Voter Suppression Screwed Bernie, and Will Screw Dems in November if Left Unchecked



America’s Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, appears on RT’s Redacted Tonight with Lee Camp to discuss the voter suppression tactics that have been at play in the past couple of months, and the impact it has had for both the Bernie Sanders campaign and democracy in general.
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Voter Suppression Screwed Bernie, and Will Screw Dems in November if Left Unchecked (Original Post) GoLeft TV Apr 2016 OP
Those who will pretend to care about it get what they deserve for standing idly by when it was onecaliberal Apr 2016 #1
+1000 MissDeeds Apr 2016 #5
"It's not a crime if the president does it." said one disgraced president. Watch out for more of tha thereismore Apr 2016 #7
yep!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #9
Voter suppression in the form of caucuses prevents the other voters and the disabled workers. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
Yep. Drive hours to a mob scene vs voting at the church down the street from me? onehandle Apr 2016 #3
And since those went to Bernie, it enabled Clintonites to brag about how many more votes floriduck Apr 2016 #4
It also allows Bernie followers to deny her strong popular lead by abstract. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #15
K & R. Saw LEE CAMP & attny. Mike Papantonio discuss this critical issue yesterday. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #6
wow Debbie poster needs to be circulated far and wide. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #11
No shenmue Apr 2016 #22
While I believe that the Power That Be did manipulate a win for Clinton, rhett o rick Apr 2016 #8
Yep, thus no condemnation or solutions offered Jackilope Apr 2016 #10
oh no the whole world is against bernie. oh my its a huge conspiracy against only him nt msongs Apr 2016 #12
Seriously? That's your takeaway from this? mac56 Apr 2016 #13
The problems in NY and AZ were caused by Rethugs and hurt Hillary, too. pnwmom Apr 2016 #20
Members of Congress xloadiex Apr 2016 #14
Starting with replacing vote-suppressing caucuses with primaries. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #21
The suppression will not continue in November SheenaR Apr 2016 #16
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Apr 2016 #17
Irony of Russia Today airing a segment about voter suppression oberliner Apr 2016 #18
There is no evidence that it hurt Bernie more than Hillary. And vote-suppressing caucuses pnwmom Apr 2016 #19
Caucuses tend to be more transparent... modestybl Apr 2016 #23
what favors Repubs in the general favors them in the primaries mac56 Apr 2016 #24
That's not what people thought after Iowa and Nevada. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #25
It did not work in his favor. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #26
Caucuses did by depressing turnout of voters who didn't have a lot of time on their hands. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #28
The Third Way DNC would hate to get a Dem majority in all levels. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #27
So it will come down to who can steal the most. We are screwed. DamnYankeeInHouston Apr 2016 #29
Good luck in november clintonistas You're going to get your asses handed to you. RATM435 Apr 2016 #30

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
1. Those who will pretend to care about it get what they deserve for standing idly by when it was
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

happening for the benefit of their candidate.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
7. "It's not a crime if the president does it." said one disgraced president. Watch out for more of tha
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

t.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Voter suppression in the form of caucuses prevents the other voters and the disabled workers.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

This is a primary, it is not an election, know the two are different.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
3. Yep. Drive hours to a mob scene vs voting at the church down the street from me?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

In a private booth without interference?

I'll take a primary over a caucus, every time.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
4. And since those went to Bernie, it enabled Clintonites to brag about how many more votes
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

she got than Bernie. You can't have it both ways so which is it? I wish there was never any caucuses. But that's up to each state, not any candidates.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
15. It also allows Bernie followers to deny her strong popular lead by abstract.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

How about a compromise:

Closed primaries, by popular vote in all states.

In all states, registration as a Democrat doesn't close until 30 days before the Primary.

Nobody who was registered as a Republican during the last Primary may register as a Democrat (prior Democrats, Independents, and 3rd party only)

Super delegates ONLY come into play if no single candidate gets the majority of pledged delegates.

Provisional ballots count automatically unless the board of elections can't prove ineligibility (put the onus on the board of elections to prove it instead of voter).

These provisions don't take effect until after the 2020 election. That way it can't be tied to any benefit to Clinton or any existing/potential candidates.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
6. K & R. Saw LEE CAMP & attny. Mike Papantonio discuss this critical issue yesterday.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

And it will happen again, big time in the November general election. The voter and election corruption has been evident since 2000 at least. DEMOCRATS have been in power since 2009; what have they done about it, which mainly impacts the formerly known Party of the 'BIG TENT'?

"Redacted Tonight", Fri. Nights 8 PM on RT, rt.com & YouTube. - Host LEE CAMP with guest journalist GREG PALAST.



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. While I believe that the Power That Be did manipulate a win for Clinton,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

I also believe they will continue to manipulate for Clinton. Goldman-Sachs, Citibank, Wall Street and the Koch Bros are "pulling" for Clinton.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
10. Yep, thus no condemnation or solutions offered
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

Loyalty oaths and brow furrowing over Bernie or Bust movement are useless shame tactics that ignore the fix is in. Create an growing smd gigantic outside movement that challenges all the corruption is only way to move ahead.

mac56

(17,569 posts)
13. Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

No concern about voter suppression?

Just another opportunity to mock Sanders?

Joking, I'm sure.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. The problems in NY and AZ were caused by Rethugs and hurt Hillary, too.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

In Arizona the county with the reduced polling places was heavily Hispanic, a group hat voted heavily for Hillary.

And in NY there is no evidence that the Rethug, six months ahead of time, was able to target and purge Bernie voters in different buildings across Brooklyn.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
14. Members of Congress
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

call for an end of mass voter suppression.


http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35846-members-of-congress-call-for-end-to-mass-voter-suppression-and-insecure-elections

In 2016 - the first presidential election since the US Supreme Court's gutting of the Voting Rights Act - a slew of new malicious laws and tactics are disenfranchising millions of Americans, even as the private control of US vote-counting technology has come under renewed scrutiny in a primary season marked by allegations of fraud and election rigging.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
16. The suppression will not continue in November
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

Look at states like mine here in RI.... It was the Democrats doing it.

We'll be fine in that regard. The people it has been benefiting will continue to benefit

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. There is no evidence that it hurt Bernie more than Hillary. And vote-suppressing caucuses
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

seemed to work in his favor.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
23. Caucuses tend to be more transparent...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

...except when Harry Reid has his casino boss buddies flood them with employees that weren't required to register.

AZ was a particularly egregious example that obviously hurt Sanders... same day voting in Maricopa county less than a third of what it was in 2008.

Closed primaries favor the incumbents and the party regulars... open primaries favor people new to the process, younger voters.

But the Dem leadership would prefer to keep their seats safe, even if the Dems are in the minority, than get primaried out and see the Dems in the majority.

Had always wondered why the Dem leadership has been so passive on vote suppression and fraud after the 2000 election - what favors Repubs in the general favors them in the primaries.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
27. The Third Way DNC would hate to get a Dem majority in all levels.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

They want an excuse so that they can make weak sauce attempts at financial reform, or protecting social programs, and then throw up their hands and say...."hey we tried". So they have no problem with the GOP making sure they retain at least one even two branches. There can be no other explanation. Otherwise why would they be sitting on their hands since 2000 and doing nothing about provable vulnerabilities in many voting systems.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
29. So it will come down to who can steal the most. We are screwed.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

This is even more heart breaking since we have an exceptional, once-in-a-lifetime candidate.

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