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Are you scared yet? (Original Post) GoldenThunder Jun 2016 OP
Well, any jackass can post a YouTube video. So not particularly 'scared' by this dude's wager. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #1
Not gonna take at least 15 minutes to actually WATCH the video? GoldenThunder Jun 2016 #2
First, I don't have $1000 to wager. Second I have better things to do than waste 15 minutes on a emulatorloo Jun 2016 #3
Why would ANYBODY on this site want to waste 15 min. on that putrid gasbag? catbyte Jun 2016 #10
I watched it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #11
But, but, but... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #4
Here's a good video on why McCain will beat Obama from random guy on youtube Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #5
. Grassy Knoll Jun 2016 #6
LOL... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #7
I'd take that wager DAngelo136 Jun 2016 #8
Scared? Hell no, I'm overconfident. I'm in "can't fail" mode. We'll win without even trying. Bucky Jun 2016 #9
Fail denbot Jun 2016 #12
Wait one damn minute... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #13
Um.. denbot Jun 2016 #15
Our family's first bug... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #16
I'd bid my left arm.. denbot Jun 2016 #17
Dude makes good points about branding IronLionZion Jun 2016 #14
Does she have Independent people? Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #18
Yes IronLionZion Jun 2016 #19
lol Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #20

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
3. First, I don't have $1000 to wager. Second I have better things to do than waste 15 minutes on a
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

random dude's YouTube video.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
11. I watched it
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jun 2016

He's a kid pushing some sort of "charisma builder" video or audio tape or something.

He's full of shit trying to convince you that the subject he's supposedly an expert on will make the difference in the election.

Thanks for the freaking infomercial.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
4. But, but, but...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

he's gonna change the name of his campaign theme to include everyone and he is going to consistently call Hillary "Crooked Hillary!"
How can he NOT win?

DAngelo136

(265 posts)
8. I'd take that wager
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:51 AM - Edit history (3)

And here's my analysis:

In the 2012 Presidential Election, President Obama won re-election over Gov.Mitt Romney, 332 electoral votes to 206. Obama carried 26 states including the District of Columbia while Romney carried 24 states.
The popular vote totals were 65,915,796(51.1%) for Obama and 60,933,500(47.2%) Those are the numbers.

Assuming the Electoral College map holds the same in 2016 as it did in 2012, then a Democratic nominee will defeat a Republican nominee with pretty much the same numbers.
Mind you, the Republican nominee still came in 2nd despite having full support of the party, was generally liked and respected by the party leadership and pretty much had an uncontested primary run and a unanimous nomination at the convention. This year's Republican nominee, Donald Trump will NOT have such circumstances. He will have a fractured convention, a fractured party that's on the precipice of being rendered to the "political wilderness" for at least a generation, it is intellectually bankrupt and the conservative movement is past the end of a 30 year cycle of ideological relevance.

Donald Trump may appeal to white males 35-60, but that's a demographic group on the downswing, as opposed to women, African-Americans, Hispanics and millenials (who like in 2008, will be motivated to turn out in a presidential election in large numbers)
The vast majority of Republican strength lies in the South; Texas, North Carolina and Kentucky having large Electoral College numbers and relatively large populations. As you turn west, the states where Republicans dominate have low EC numbers and small populations; less "bang for the EC buck", so to speak. So even if all the white people in every one of those "red"states voted and they suppressed every non white vote, it wouldn't change the number of Electoral Votes; 206.

However, the Democrats with the "blue" states such as New York, California, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Florida with large EC numbers and populations will more than offset the numbers of the South. States like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida will be battleground states the Democrats must hold in order to maintain the margin of victory. THEY ARE KEY. Given the respective campaigns organization and staffing, Hillary should have the forces necessary to out campaign Trump in those states. He can't depend on just TV appearances alone; he has to have a "ground game" developed, which I don't believe he does even at this LATE date.

Given that Hillary, is NOT a popular candidate that will serve to depress her popular vote total. I predict that Hillary will garner less votes than Obama; I'd say about 60 million votes. While I predict Trump won't crack the 50 million mark.

Any thoughts?

Bucky

(54,020 posts)
9. Scared? Hell no, I'm overconfident. I'm in "can't fail" mode. We'll win without even trying.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

Why, hell, this election is so slam dunk, I think most of us can just tune out and not even bother with that sweaty GOTV business. Man, just show up vote with the crowd, and then go home, and wait for the headlines.

denbot

(9,900 posts)
12. Fail
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jun 2016

Trump is running the worst campaign for a major party candidate is U.S. history.
He has no real campaign organization, money, media coordination, or get out the vote infrastructure.

A few weeks ago I was worried, but Commander Combover is far more unbalanced then I ever imagined. He beyond flailing, and has nowhere to hide, so he will do what he always did before and try to bluster his way through, but he's in the big water now and there is no life guard, and no where to shift blame.

I think this realization is sinking into him, and the pressure is funneling him into an anger motivated reaction loop.

All his life he has only had to deal with lackeys, with him as master and commander of the good ship Trumpinaught. He now has bullied his way into the wheelhouse of a great ship, and not only found he was in way over his head, but for the first time in his life, he has to deal with the fact that those around him know it, and will not, can not, pretend otherwise.

One look at the current GOP leadership reveals the same group expression last seen on the rapidly tilting deck of the Titanic. They know his chances, and so do most of us.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
13. Wait one damn minute...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jun 2016

Are saying that he can't just bullshit, bluster and bully his way into being President of The United States of America?

denbot

(9,900 posts)
15. Um..
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jun 2016

Yeah, that's about the gist of it.

I take it, your a VW person? I have had several over the years. My 69' bug was stolen a couple of years ago, but I still have my 86' Vanagon Syncro.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
16. Our family's first bug...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jun 2016

was a (I believe) 1956 with not only split rear window but mechanical semafor turn signals and no gas gauge, just a reserve tank. How much would that puppy be worth today?

denbot

(9,900 posts)
17. I'd bid my left arm..
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:56 AM
Jun 2016

Cash wise I couldn't tell you, but I've only seen 2 of 50's with semafor's in my life.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
14. Dude makes good points about branding
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

but makes a very bold assumption that this is going to continue to work. I doubt it. He severely underestimates the American voters.

Hillary has Obama and Bill's campaign people, who have already won several elections. And she has the backing of the party. I think both Bill and Barack were bigger underdogs in their elections. You know they observe what has worked for other candidates and what has not. They'll figure out the branding in time to win.

Trump does not have the backing of his party and his campaign is run by inexperienced people. Many competent experienced people won't work for him. Trump's offensive messages won't be forgotten any time soon. It will be continued to be repeated by the media and social media as he tries to appeal to normal people who are general election voters. Many sensible conservatives can't stand him and don't trust him.

The campaign of inclusion will win over the campaign of alienating large swaths of the electorate.

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