Would a Clinton/Sanders ticket be a winning Ticket??

[zebonaut]

Apparently Hillary is effing tied at 40% with Mussolini. Would this be a way to actually WIN??

[gwheezie]

1. I'm going to vote for hillary

Her vp pick doesn't factor in much. I point blank asked a Bernie or bust person if they would vote for Hillary if Bernie was the vp and he said no, he could never vote for Hillary but that's him. It might sway some people.

[elleng]

2. Yes

[liberalmuse]

3. I believe it would.

Because today I just found out my sis is not voting for HRC, and I also have some friends who won't, either. They hate Drumpf, but think we're safe in this blue state.

I thought I would have a problem voting for her, but find that I don't at all. I just hope she doesn't pick a boring, middle-of-the-road white guy as her VP. We've had way too many of those in the past (Biden is excluded, of course!). The alternative is unthinkable.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Neva gonna happen... btw, half my family refusing to vote Hillary, tho I did convince my mom to change her mind and not throw her vote away.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. It would not be a good idea.

She needs someone younger and from a different geographical area than she's from.

And don't believe those polls that tie her with Trump--they simply aren't true nor are they relevant at this time.

[rocktivity]

5. She does need to balance the ticket

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Obama was smart enough to choose an older white male with foreign policy credentials. Ideally, Hillary's running mate would be a young, non-Northeastern version of Sanders, preferably with some military credentials. Even Duh Donald™ was smart enough to realize that a political clone of himself was not the way to go!


rocktivity

[Lil Missy]

6. Bernie would be a terrible choice. She can do MUCH better. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. No. That would be an old, incoherent, and north eastern ticket

Plus she's ahead in the polls and has 85% of his supporters

[liberal N proud]

8. It's not going to be Sanders

After the primary bashing? She would be a fool to think that Bernie Sanders has changed.

[Gothmog]

9. This ticket is a horrible idea

[lunamagica]

12. Again, it is NOT Happening! He is NOT being considered for the job.

[SheilaT]

13. Only to the extent that Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket is a winner.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter who still is not completely acclimated to the notion he won't be the nominee.

But the two of them, no matter which order they might appear, are NOT a winning or even a good ticket.

Several reasons:
1. They are both old. She's 68, will be 69 by election day. He's 74, will be 75 by election day.
2. The two candidates really need to be on the same page about issues. I'm not very sure that's the case here.
3. The VP needs to be willing and able to campaign enthusiastically on behalf the the President. Are we even remotely certain Bernie could do this?
4. The VP, once elected, is a mere figurehead. He (or she) does not set policy, does not introduce legislation, does not do anything of importance. He (or she) mostly represents the President at funerals and various functions the President can't quite make it to. In short, it's a ceremonial role.
5. The VP should certainly be ready and able to assume the highest office, should that be necessary.

What Hillary needs as her VP nominee is:
1. Someone who will campaign enthusiastically for her.
2. Someone who is a generation younger.
3. Someone who will be willing to fade entirely into the background after November 8, 2016.

Just as Clinton/Warren is a no go, so is Clinton/Sanders.

And do I really need to go into the bad blood between those two?

And of course, all during the primary season there were plenty of polls showing Bernie did vastly better than Hillary in the general election, so to all who voted for her, this is what you have to live with.

[emulatorloo]

14. As to #2, vast difference between Strawman HRC and Bernie, but not actual HRC and Bernie

We had a bunch of folks who fabricated a bunch of shit about HRC and painted her as the daughter of Satan.

As you are well aware Bernie considers HRC a colleague and friend. And vice versa.

I saw the first 5 debates, and it was pretty much this:

"I agree with Secretary Clinton." "I agree with Senator Sanders". Other than some minor quibbles, and differences in strategies, lots of agreement.

Additionally there have been active VP's. Biden has his own portfolio of issues. He NEVER faded into the background.

Either Warren or Sanders could and would be strong VP's.

There was "bad blood" between Obama and HRC. Yet they worked together well.

Lastly I never saw a poll where Bernie did 'vastly' better than HRC against trump. A few points does not = 'vast'.

Bernie primary supporter here as well.

[SheilaT]

16. My recollection is that all the way through the primaries

he'd poll better than any Republican, and she at best was even. At best.

Which was one of the reasons the Bernie supporters were so frustrated all along. Apparently people were voting for her even though they understood that she was the less viable candidate in the general election.

Sigh.

In any case, much more to the point, he needs to return to his Senate job, as does Elizabeth Warren. Both of them are good and needed there. Plus, the VP position really, really is a dead end. The list of Vice Presidents who went on to win election as President is astonishingly short. And in this case, both Warren and Sanders will be much too old to be seriously considered in 2024, assuming Hillary serves two terms. And heck neither of them will be a truly viable candidate a mere four years from now, again given their ages.

[emulatorloo]

19. People were voting for her because they liked her policies, strategic roadmap to implement those

policies, and her history of fighting for people and against Republicans. There is a reason that many progressive Senators and Reps endorsed her.

(And it is not for bullshit CT claims that she will murder people if they don't. They endorsed her because of her history and her record)

Sheila, very rarely does the candidate I support in the primaries get the nomination. It is time to stop arguing the primaries, pretending that Hillary is evil, sighing when you disagree w other DU'ers, etc.

Obama/Biden have made a great team. Clinton/Warren IMHO would be an incredible team. There is no Warren would be passive. That is not who she is, and HRC is fully aware of that.

Take care and have a great day!

[SheilaT]

20. I'm not arguing the primaries.

I simply pointing out certain realities.

Biden was not an amazing and effective Senator. Warren and Sanders are. To lose either one of them to the VP slot would be highly unfortunate. Because it's absolutely true that the VP is a weak job. Again, that person does not make policy, does not introduce legislation. Going around the country making speeches would be a feel-good thing, but won't make real changes in this country.

We need Warren and Sanders in the Senate. We need to elect many more Democrats to Congress, as Governors, and to state legislatures.

[emulatorloo]

21. We will have to agree to disagree re VP. Def we agree on taking back Congress, electing governors,

State Legislatures!

[andym]

15. It would be a great idea

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Not happening though, which is too bad. He would get to promote progressive ideas as a candidate and then as vp.

His older supporters who are so far unmoved, won't be convinced. But his younger supporters would be very enthusiastic I think. Also she needs a dynamic vp, to inject some excitement I think.

[heresAthingdotcom]

17. Little Opie learns a Lesson about winning... and losing....

Any Bernie supporters who are hesitant about supporting Hillary should watch Little Opie learn a lesson in winning... and losing...

the embedding process won't allow the jump ahead process on Youtube... but skim over to the 12 minute 13 second point of the video unless you want to watch the entire video...

Bernie should be in the cabinet.... Secretary of Defense.....

[LongtimeAZDem]

18. Not in my opinion; I chose Clinton in part because I believe Sanders to be unelectable

and I think he would be more of a liability than an asset.

[Pharaoh]

22. I don't think Bernie would do it

Plus he would be much more powerful in the Senate,